Fwd: KDE Frameworks Release Cycle

Scott Kitterman kde at kitterman.com
Wed Apr 30 09:24:55 UTC 2014

On April 30, 2014 3:32:02 AM EDT, Mario Fux <kde-ml at unormal.org> wrote:
>Am Mittwoch, 30. April 2014, 04.20:21 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor
>> > >For Ubuntu I can use the Firefox example. So can you explain why
>is KF5
>> > >different than firefox?
>> > 
>> > Firefox (and Chromium too) are handled like no other packages in
>> > archive.  It's the best known (to average computer users) FOSS
>> > There's not much choice but to ship it and given the combination of
>> > library bundling and the presence of security fixes in essentially
>> > release there's no realistic choice but to eat releases whole
>> > viewing the necessity as being highly distasteful).  Canonical has
>> > funded significant engineering resources to maintain Ubuntu Firefox
>> > packages and do extensive regression testing.
>> > 
>> > None of the above is relevant to KF5.
>> > 
>> > If I were to ask for the kind of update policy Ubuntu has for
>Firefox, I
>> > am pretty sure it would get laughed out of the room.  I've gotten
>> > exceptions approved for quite a number of packages, so I think I
>have a
>> > reasonable basis to form an opinion on what's likely to be
>> > 
>> > The KF5 plan amounts to "Non-rolling distros: you're on your own."
>> Debian will be in the exact same position. Firefox and Chromium are
>> good examples of what to do to get your downstream unhappy and get
>> users non- stable experiences.
>> The result will be that we will need to freeze at some point and do
>> best to keep up with patches for stable releases. Or maybe even drop
>> for stable releases :-/
>> I don't know how other major distros with focus in stability work,
>but I
>> think they will be more or less in the same position (I'm thinking in
>> Hat, Centos, Suse and others here, but I might be wrong).
>I might be to naive but what about something like an LTS for KF5. A
>where all the distros and some KF5 hackers backports fixes and promise
>to do 
>this for 1, 2 or more years? I even think that other people and groups
>be interested in this as e.g. Calligra who seems historically to be
>conservative about kdelibs/KF5 minimum requirements...
>I see Kevin's arguments and the ones of the distros. So maybe finding a

Since we release on a different schedule, with monthly KF5 releases, we'd all be interested in supporting different releases. 

I don't know what the Plasma release schedule/plan is.  Perhaps if they're on a longer cycle and can declare up front what KF5 version they are targeting, we could all aim at that? 

Scott K

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