Release Cycle

Thu Aug 29 08:12:41 UTC 2013

El Dijous, 29 d'agost de 2013, a les 10:00:54, Martin Graesslin va escriure:
> On Wednesday 28 August 2013 22:52:17 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Friday 23 August 2013 22:10:32 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > El Divendres, 23 d'agost de 2013, a les 08:49:19, Jos Poortvliet va
> > 
> > escriure:
> > > > On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:35:49 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > > > El Dijous, 22 d'agost de 2013, a les 08:07:22, Jos Poortvliet va
> > 
> > escriure:
> > > > > > On Tuesday 20 August 2013 22:40:29 Mark wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Albert Astals Cid
> > > > > > > <aacid at kde.org>
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 01:54:48, Albert Astals
> > > > > > > > Cid
> > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > escriure:
> > > > > > > >> El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 01:17:18, Aaron J.
> > > > > > > >> Seigo
> > > > > > > >> va
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > escriure:
> > > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 00:24:53 Albert Astals Cid 
wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > El Dilluns, 19 d'agost de 2013, a les 22:18:26, Aaron J.
> > > > > > > >> > > Seigo
> > > > > > > >> > > va
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> escriure:
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Monday, August 19, 2013 22:14:26 Albert Astals Cid
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > There will be a 4.13? Most probably.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Will it be in 2014? For sure
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Which month? Noone knows, you can probably guess
> > > > > > > >> > > > > it'll
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > between
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Q2
> > > > > > > >> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Q3
> > > > > > > >> > > > > since Q1 would mean <= 3 months of development and
> 
> Q4
> 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > would
> > > > > > > >> > > > > mean
> > > > > > > >> > > > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >=
> > > > > > > >> > > > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > 10
> > > > > > > >> > > > > months.
> > > > > > > >> > > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > unless we change the development cycle, which has not
> 
> yet
> 
> > > > > > > >> > > > been
> > > > > > > >> > > > done,
> > > > > > > >> > > > which
> > > > > > > >> > > > month will 4.13 be in?
> > > > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > Are you disagreeing with the 4.12 schedule?
> > > > > > > >> > 
> > > > > > > >> > No; however, on
> 
> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.12_Release_Schedule
> 
> > it
> > 
> > > > > > > >> > says
> > > > > > > >> > “THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL YET” four times right at the top. I
> > > > > > > >> > was
> > > > > > > >> > under
> > > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > > >> > impression that it was still being discussed and wasn’t ...
> > > > > > > >> > you
> > > > > > > >> > know
> > > > > > > >> > ..
> > > > > > > >> > official yet.
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> It will be official when i get tired of waiting for people to
> > > > > > > >> oppose
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >> it.
> > > > > > > >> If it makes you happier, I can declare it official now.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > There you go.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >   Albert
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Well, not now, i'm going to sleep now.
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >>   Albert
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > >> release-team at kde.org
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> > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What you just did means that KDE SC 4.12 will in fact be a 5
> > > > > > > month
> > > > > > > release cycle. Earlier there was talk about outlining the future
> > > > > > > releases. That blog/news item is probably going to have to take
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > new 5 month cycle into account.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes. What about this then:
> > > > > > =======
> > > > > > KDE frameworks 5 preview 1 December 2013
> > > > > > KDE frameworks 5 release 1st half 2014
> > > > > > KDE Workspaces 4.11 is last release (LTS)
> > > > > > KDE Workspaces 2.0 preview 1st half 2014
> > > > > > KDE Workspaces 2.0 release 2nd half 2014
> > > > > > KDE Applications 4.12 December 18 2013
> > > > > > KDE Applications 4.13 June 2014
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4.12 and 4.13 will include kdelibs too (that have been almost-frozen
> > > > > for
> > > > > a
> > > > > while but we still increase its version number on each release)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also we don't have a date for 4.13.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It may well be May or July or even March or August since we haven't
> > > > > started
> > > > > planning for it and we can't do it since at Akademy it was agreed
> > > > > we'd
> > > > > do
> > > > > a
> > > > > shorter cycle (4.12) and then evaluate if that had worked or not,
> > > > > and
> > > > > to
> > > > > evaluate it, we have to let 4.12 happen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So please be very clear June is a guessed month from your side since
> > > > > the
> > > > > Release Team has not started discussing about it.
> > > > 
> > > > "As with any schedule for a major technological transition, please
> > > > note
> > > > that the above is subject to change."
> > > 
> > > Are you saying 4.13 is "a major technological transition"?
> > 
> > Really, is that a serious question or are you now just arguing to argue?
> > Sjees. It obviously refers to the schedule. Which includes the change to
> > Frameworks 5, Plasma Workspaces 2 etcetera. And yes, those are 'major
> > technological transitions' and yes, I doubt anyone would not get that that
> > has influence on the scheduling. Can we move on please?
> 
> I think Albert has a valid point here. The release after 4.12 will be 4.13
> and not a "major technology transition". That one is happening at the same
> time but does not affect the release of the SC at all. So from the release
> team perspective which is currently only handling releases of KDE SC 4.x
> it's business as usual.
> 
> I think that needs to be incorporated into a statement to not give the
> feeling that 4.12 will be the last release.
> 
> > > Saying we have no plan not true. Our plan is do 4.13 planning once 4.12
> > > is
> > > out of of the door, like we have been doing for all the releases for a
> > > while.
> > 
> > No, we were on a 6 month release cycle. While not every single date was
> > fixed, everybody assumed the next release would come 6 months later.
> > Changing that - fine, especially in the light of the big changes taking
> > place anyway (libs frozen for a while, Workspaces now also frozen).
> > Stating
> > that we want to evaluate that change after the cycle - sure. But none of
> > that is a reason not to state some kind of intent for what to do after
> > that. And as I think that that is beneficial, I'd like to do that.
> 
> We do have a plan. It's not a plan which tells the exact date, but it is a
> plan. It's your task as the marketing team to put that into words which
> doesn't sound like we don't have a plan ;-)
> 
> I would go in the direction of: "The release schedule for 4.13 will be
> drafted after the release of 4.12[1]. The release team intends to evaluate
> the feedback from the slightly shortened 4.12 release cycle. Given the
> current release cycle we expect the 4.13 release in May/June 2014".

I've talked to Jos offline and he has agreed to use "Q2/Q3 2014" (or something 
similar) as previously suggested on this thread instead of "June 2014".

I do agree that adding the extra sentence you suggest would also be great as 
it would explain something we've always done as you explain in your footnote.

Cheers,
  Albert

> Cheers
> Martin
> 
> [1] This has always been the case. The next schedule is drafted after the
> release. Might be an idea to add that point of data somehow.