Release Cycle

Thu Aug 29 07:17:22 UTC 2013

On Thursday 29 August 2013 00:09:19 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dimecres, 28 d'agost de 2013, a les 22:52:17, Jos Poortvliet va escriure:
> > On Friday 23 August 2013 22:10:32 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > El Divendres, 23 d'agost de 2013, a les 08:49:19, Jos Poortvliet va
> > 
> > escriure:
> > > > On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:35:49 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > > > El Dijous, 22 d'agost de 2013, a les 08:07:22, Jos Poortvliet va
> > 
> > escriure:
> > > > > > On Tuesday 20 August 2013 22:40:29 Mark wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Albert Astals Cid
> > > > > > > <aacid at kde.org>
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 01:54:48, Albert Astals
> > > > > > > > Cid
> > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > escriure:
> > > > > > > >> El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 01:17:18, Aaron J.
> > > > > > > >> Seigo
> > > > > > > >> va
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > escriure:
> > > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 00:24:53 Albert Astals Cid 
wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > El Dilluns, 19 d'agost de 2013, a les 22:18:26, Aaron J.
> > > > > > > >> > > Seigo
> > > > > > > >> > > va
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> escriure:
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Monday, August 19, 2013 22:14:26 Albert Astals Cid
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > There will be a 4.13? Most probably.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Will it be in 2014? For sure
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Which month? Noone knows, you can probably guess
> > > > > > > >> > > > > it'll
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > between
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Q2
> > > > > > > >> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Q3
> > > > > > > >> > > > > since Q1 would mean <= 3 months of development 
and Q4
> > > > > > > >> > > > > would
> > > > > > > >> > > > > mean
> > > > > > > >> > > > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >=
> > > > > > > >> > > > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > > 10
> > > > > > > >> > > > > months.
> > > > > > > >> > > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > > unless we change the development cycle, which has not
> > > > > > > >> > > > yet
> > > > > > > >> > > > been
> > > > > > > >> > > > done,
> > > > > > > >> > > > which
> > > > > > > >> > > > month will 4.13 be in?
> > > > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > >> > > Are you disagreeing with the 4.12 schedule?
> > > > > > > >> > 
> > > > > > > >> > No; however, on
> > > > > > > >> > 
http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.12_Release_Schedul
> > > > > > > >> > e
> > 
> > it
> > 
> > > > > > > >> > says
> > > > > > > >> > “THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL YET” four times right at the top. I
> > > > > > > >> > was
> > > > > > > >> > under
> > > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > > >> > impression that it was still being discussed and wasn’t ...
> > > > > > > >> > you
> > > > > > > >> > know
> > > > > > > >> > ..
> > > > > > > >> > official yet.
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> It will be official when i get tired of waiting for people to
> > > > > > > >> oppose
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >> it.
> > > > > > > >> If it makes you happier, I can declare it official now.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > There you go.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >   Albert
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Well, not now, i'm going to sleep now.
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >>   Albert
> > > > > > > >> 
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> > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What you just did means that KDE SC 4.12 will in fact be a 5
> > > > > > > month
> > > > > > > release cycle. Earlier there was talk about outlining the future
> > > > > > > releases. That blog/news item is probably going to have to take
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > new 5 month cycle into account.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes. What about this then:
> > > > > > =======
> > > > > > KDE frameworks 5 preview 1 December 2013
> > > > > > KDE frameworks 5 release 1st half 2014
> > > > > > KDE Workspaces 4.11 is last release (LTS)
> > > > > > KDE Workspaces 2.0 preview 1st half 2014
> > > > > > KDE Workspaces 2.0 release 2nd half 2014
> > > > > > KDE Applications 4.12 December 18 2013
> > > > > > KDE Applications 4.13 June 2014
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4.12 and 4.13 will include kdelibs too (that have been almost-frozen
> > > > > for
> > > > > a
> > > > > while but we still increase its version number on each release)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also we don't have a date for 4.13.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It may well be May or July or even March or August since we haven't
> > > > > started
> > > > > planning for it and we can't do it since at Akademy it was agreed
> > > > > we'd
> > > > > do
> > > > > a
> > > > > shorter cycle (4.12) and then evaluate if that had worked or not,
> > > > > and
> > > > > to
> > > > > evaluate it, we have to let 4.12 happen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So please be very clear June is a guessed month from your side since
> > > > > the
> > > > > Release Team has not started discussing about it.
> > > > 
> > > > "As with any schedule for a major technological transition, please
> > > > note
> > > > that the above is subject to change."
> > > 
> > > Are you saying 4.13 is "a major technological transition"?
> > 
> > Really, is that a serious question or are you now just arguing to argue?
> > Sjees. It obviously refers to the schedule. Which includes the change to
> > Frameworks 5, Plasma Workspaces 2 etcetera. And yes, those are 'major
> > technological transitions' and yes, I doubt anyone would not get that that
> > has influence on the scheduling. Can we move on please?
> 
> No, I'm not arguing to argue, but if you're goint to discard my comments
> with a Sjees, sure let's move on.
> 
> > > > Is that enough? Please note, as Aaron already said, that it is better
> > > > to
> > > > have a plan now and change it later than to have no plan at all.
> > > 
> > > That is his opinion, not the one that seems the majority of people in
> > > this
> > > team have.
> > 
> > What 'team' are we talking about here, the marketing team or the release
> > team?
> 
> Let's see the To: of this email? Yes, "this" team is release-team at kde.org
> 
> > I don't know the opinion of the latter, but from a marketing pov I
> > doubt anybody would argue that it does not look better to have a plan and
> > change it than to have no planning at all.
> > 
> > If you have arguments, use them. If not, well, let's do what we proposed
> > please.
> 
> What kind of argument you want besides "Everyone in the release team is
> saying no"? Is that not enough for you really?

You're the only one I see saying no. Aaron made clear why this is worth 
supporting, Sebas had only a small correction and the only one I see arguing 
against it is you.

> Anyway do as you wish. I'm going to Japan for two weeks and when I'm back if
> i see the promo team has decided to take care of the scheduling I'll
> probably also assume the promo team will take care of the packaging and all
> the associated cruft and go back to my other responsabilities that don't
> have anything to do with the release-team happily.

I could of course turn it around and say that you can do marketing now on your 
own but that'd be childish.

So, you don't want to talk about 2014 yet but at least we can communicate what 
will happen in the next 3-4 months. The rest of the team has given estimations 
for next year so the schedule is like this:

KDE frameworks 5 preview 1 December 2013
KDE frameworks 5 release 1st half 2014
KDE Workspaces 4.11 is last release (LTS)
KDE Workspaces 2.0 preview 1st Q 2014
KDE Workspaces 2.0 release 2nd Q 2014
KDE Applications 4.12 December 18 2013

I'll work it into the document now.

Have a nice day,
Jos

> Cheers,
>   Albert
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