[Krusader-devel] Re: Krusader in KDE's SVN

Jonas Bähr jonas.baehr at web.de
Tue Nov 25 23:31:23 CET 2008


Am 25.11.2008 um 19:36 schrieb shie erlich:

> hi Sebas,
> thanks for the informative mail.
> I, for one, feel confident that the time is right for krusader to  
> move closer together with kde.

I do also think that it'll be great to move a bit closer to the KDE  
Project and to benefit from KDE's infrastructure (translations, review/ 
bugtracking, marketing, ... perhaps even mailinglists).

I feel very comfortable with the SVN Policies on techbase. If they are  
really applied by the guys with svn commit access (which would include  
us after the move) I don't think we will get in trouble with strangers  
doing unwanted code harakiri.

In my eyes we could move immediately *after* the 2.0.0 release. We  
made a first beta for KDE-4 some time ago with a second one on the  
door step. I don't want to move in the middle of a release process.

Since 2.0.0 would be our first KDE-4 release, it would be an  
acceptable point to beginn with a blank history. Sebastian, you  
mentioned "possibly losing history" as a disadvantage. Does this mean  
there is a chance to keep our history? Under which conditions? My svn  
knowledge regarding such migrations is limited, but I could only think  
of a replay of our repository. This does not really make sense....

> i think it has other advantages not mentioned here (mostly from PR  
> perspective), but that aside, i would like to know which module  
> krusader would be getting into. ideally, i'd like to see krusader in  
> a package that usually gets installed by default, which (i *think*)  
> is not the situation with extragear?

I think extragear would be perfectly fine, at least for the beginning.  
Some of the most popular KDE apps, like Amarok, live in extragear.  
Plus, there we have the maximum of freedom. We can't claim our  
independence on the one hand and ask for inclusion in a core module on  
the other.

> what do you think guys?

I'm all fo a move as soon as 2.0 is out of the door. What does the  
rest of the Krew think?


> thanks,
> shie
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas at kde.org>  
> wrote:
> Hi,
> Let me try to shine some light on some of the questions raised in  
> the "should
> krusader move into KDE's SVN?" discussion. Please reply to both lists,
> krusader-devel at googlegroups.com and release-team at kde.org
> From the thread held on the krusader list, I'm sensing the  
> misconceptions that
> being developed in KDE's SVN, it means you have to comply with KDE's  
> release
> schedule. Not true, you can in fact decide that yourself. (Trade-off  
> is
> basically between doing release management yourself and being free  
> to decide
> when to release vs. having the KDE release team do it for you, but  
> you have to
> respect the overall KDE release schedule then). That's your choice,  
> however.
> * rules
> That depends largely on how you'd like to release. If you want  
> krusader to be
> part of KDE releases (be it by means of extragear or some other  
> module),
> you'll have to respect feature and string freezes. This kind of  
> comes with the
> release management and translation the KDE team then does for you.  
> I'm not
> aware of any other hard rules, but the policies page on techbase  
> gives more
> info: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies (Note: not all applies to an  
> app like
> krusader).
> * control
> You remain in control. If you choose to have Krusader released with  
> regular
> KDE releases, rules for that apply. Basically, you can decide how  
> you want to
> have your release cycle, commit policies etc. Sometimes, people will  
> commit
> into your code, in almost all cases, those are trivial fixes then. If
> something that might raise objections go in, the committer should  
> (as usual in
> KDE) contact the developers before committing. Everybody with a KDE  
> account has commit rights though. Basically, you can have Krusader  
> in KDE's
> SVN and be as independent as you want.
> * advantages:
> - less infrastructure maintainance
> - more likely participation of developers that have a KDE SVN  
> account already
> - code review, a lot of people follow commits and review patches (no  
> promise,
>  it's just more likely due to increased visibility)
> - can be released alongside KDE (whereever it ends up, even extragear)
> - integration of SVN with bugtracker (Krusader is already using  
> bugs.kde.org,
>  right?)
> - translation done be KDE translation teams (manpower, consistency  
> across
>  desktop)
> - shows stronger KDE ties, taking a bit more advantage of KDE's brand
> * disadvantages
> - possibly losing history
> - migration effort
> I for one would be happy to welcome the Krusader team in KDE's SVN.  
> If there
> are any questions left I would be happy to answer (as I'm sure that  
> applies to
> others as well).
> Cheers,
> --
> sebas
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