beta5 or rc1

[Matt Rogers]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 12:45:22AM -0700, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Monday 12 November 2007, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 November 2007, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > > of course, our show stoppers themselves are somewhat funny (as in "they
> > > smell funny ... ") since last time i looked we did no have anything about
> > > the keyboard shortcuts control panel not working at all (though this has
> > > had the side effect of getting me used to the kde defaults again ;) while
> > > we do have some pretty minor showstoppers.
> >
> > Well, last time I checked the default style didn't support QToolBox yet.
> > This basically rendered Marble unusable as people are not able to make use
> > of the interface.
> 
> heh.. indeed. or menus. ;)
> 
> > > i'm dangerously close to having resizable and movable panels. they'll be
> > > done this week. multiple panels are there, xrandr works, xinerama works.
> > > taskbar and systray both need bugfixes; i wont get to working on those
> > > until next week, however. (i figure i only need 2 days to get the panel
> > > stuff done, which means it'll take a week ;).
> >
> > So do I understand it correctly that you think that Plasma will have sorted
> > out all remaining issues that are left for an RC1 only until next
> > wednesday? Sounds good to me.
> 
> wednesday the 21st? the showstopers will be, yes. 
> 
> > > > involved with the last few showstoppers when those showstoppers will be
> > > > fixed. Based on that we should decide how to proceed. I remember that
> > > > this was done for earlier releases. It helped to make people commit
> > > > themselves to get the release out of the door soon while at the same
> > > > time making sure that we'd adhere to our quality standards.
> > >
> > > this makes more sense to me: a ballance between "well, let's just slip
> > > the date without putting any pressure on our work schedule" and "let's
> > > stick to the schedule regardless of what we've accomplished".
> >
> > Balance is always good. But it needs to be based on criteria. The only
> 
> agreed; let's get started on exactly what you noted. i'm too tired at this 
> point in the night (it's nearly 1am here =) but would love to help with this 
> in the daytime...
> 
> > > we should really strive to make a december release if at all possible
> > > (for so many reasons which we've gone over so many times now), and that
> > > may well mean a big final push.
> >
> > I'd love to see a release being tagged right before christmas. But I'd hate
> > to receive a release from Santa where you get the feel that the QA Santa
> > dwarves were on Christmas holidays already concerning the most basic
> > functionality. :-)
> 
> lol =) agreed .. i'm just saying if we press ourselves a bit, we may surprise 
> ourselves ... or at least avoid slipagitis taking over completely.
> 

Also, allowing our deadlines not to slip actually gets people moving,
i.e. the KConfig breakage that happened after we were supposed to be
frozen because people said "oh shit! I didn't get X, Y, and Z done for
KDE 4.0 and now I have to wait until KDE 5.0". 

We need some sense of urgency in order to get ourselves off our asses
and get this stuff done.
--
Matt