Minutes meeting , week 2

[Bhushan Shah]

Hello everyone!

This is first meeting of year 2019, happy new year!

Sho_:

  What I'd like to hear from everyone today and/or discuss, though:
  (not dictating, just suggesting:)
  * What's everyone looking at working on in January
  * What's currently in flight
  * What really needs to get done for 5.15
  * Forth and back on helping reviews to get the above done
  we have the 5.15 release freeze approaching fast on Jan 17th, and I'm aware of several things we still need to get done

d_ed:

 - I finished XdgDecoration support \o/

Riddell:

 - 5.14.5 is tomorrow! last chance to fix 5.14 issues
 - beta is in 10 days time as discussed, I'll start a notepad for features today for the announce please add features
 - and significant bug fixes
 - for the beta I'll do what we discussed some month ago and get the neon dev-stable edition announced as a way to test it.  I might even rename dev-stable edition to beta for the occation
 - and I'll ask around for making a video
 - oh and fosdem
 - I'll write up some spiel about 5.15 for fosdem, and talk about beta and forthcoming release
 - if you're going please sign up here https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2019
 - and in frameworks I need to look at a kdesu patch
 - that's all

Overall, Notes are bit bare because meeting was mostly huge discussion, please read log for important links and diffs to review


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16:30 <bshah>	meeting!
16:31 <bshah>	Sho_: d_ed: fvogt:
16:31 <Sho_>	romangg
16:31 <Sho_>	notmart is at a bank or something
16:32 <bshah>	Riddell: helo
16:32 <Riddell>	ook
16:33 <bshah>	well, so I have Sho_ and Riddell and me in list
16:33 <bshah>	Sho_: you can start :)
16:34 <Sho_>	d_ed is on the way, he just told me
16:34 <d_ed>	yo
16:34 <Sho_>	I've done, uh, nothing because of the holidays, except push a patch that allowed Bhushan to move the translations KCM to p-w
16:34 <Riddell>	happy new year Sho_ d_ed
16:34 <Sho_>	What I'd like to hear from everyone today and/or discuss, though:
16:35 <Sho_>	(not dictating, just suggesting:)
16:35 <Sho_>	* What's everyone looking at working on in January
16:35 <Sho_>	* What's currently in flight
16:35 <Sho_>	* What really needs to get done for 5.15
16:35 <Sho_>	* Forth and back on helping reviews to get the above done
16:35 <Sho_>	we have the 5.15 release freeze approaching fast on Jan 17th, and I'm aware of several things we still need to get done
16:36 <Sho_>	for example on the Phab task for the Wayland vitual desktops, there's a short bullet list of TODOs what *need* addressing for 5.15, including a patch by Marco that's in the queue
16:36 <Sho_>	Otherwise we still can't announce the feature as supported in 5.15
16:36 <Sho_>	And Bhushan had something, too
16:36 <Sho_>	next()
16:37 <d_ed>	I finished XdgDecoration support \o/
16:37 <d_ed>	seems to have all gone quite smoothly
16:37 <Sho_>	(i.e. what I plan to be working on: when marco's patch is in, write the libtm/applet stuff to use it)
16:37 <Sho_>	nice :)
16:37 <d_ed>	I thought that all your libtm for virtual desktops was done already?
16:37 <Sho_>	hang on, i'll get the link
16:37 <d_ed>	ok
16:38 <Sho_>	d_ed: https://phabricator.kde.org/T4457#170449
16:38 <sKreamer>	Task 4457 "[kwayland] Virtual Desktop protocol" [Open,High] {Plasma} https://phabricator.kde.org/T4457
16:38 <Sho_>	d_ed: tl;dr the biggest problem is that the Wayland protocol has absolutely no support for the number of rows, so the pager still can't do the layout correctly
16:38 <Sho_>	Marco has a patch up
16:39 <Sho_>	for the animation setting todo there I wrote https://phabricator.kde.org/D17700 but abandoned it for the reasons stated there
16:39 <sKreamer>	Diff 17700 "[kcmkwin/desktop] Add back switching animation setting" [Abandoned] https://phabricator.kde.org/D17700
16:41 <Sho_>	https://phabricator.kde.org/D17265 isn't merged yet, which means the KCM is kinda broken
16:41 <sKreamer>	Diff 17265 "Fix changing the number of rows via the dbus protocol" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D17265
16:41 <d_ed>	the marco patch has all my comments addressed, but there's one minor thing with a comment from martin on line 610
16:41 <Sho_>	note these are two different patches btw
16:42 <Sho_>	there's the one you just meant which is the one fixing the KCM and stuff
16:42 <Sho_>	but there's another one somewhere extending the protocol
16:42 <d_ed>	oh right
16:42 <Sho_>	which I can't find atm, but I know he wrote it
16:43 <Sho_>	on D17700 I think the patch is usable as-is and I'm fine with someone deciding to commit it in my stead
16:43 <sKreamer>	Diff 17700 "[kcmkwin/desktop] Add back switching animation setting" [Abandoned] https://phabricator.kde.org/D17700
16:44 <Sho_>	bshah: you had something for KWin too?
16:44 <bshah>	not for 5.15 well surely :)
16:44 <Sho_>	You don't want the dmabuf stuff in 5.15?
16:44 <bshah>	I wanted to basically ask for another set of eyes on dmabuf patches which are dormant
16:44 <Sho_>	(I know nothing about the status)
16:45 <bshah>	I don't think it will be possible since it have framework patch as well
16:45 <Sho_>	ah
16:46 <Sho_>	bshah, d_ed: you know now what I & Marco need help with getting through review (Marco's two patches, and then my dependent, yet-to-be-written follow-ups, which will be tight to the deadline) -- is there anything *you* need help getting reviewed before the 17th?
16:46 <Sho_>	as well as any other topic we're not thinking of?
16:46 <Sho_>	I think we need to get the VDG in here next week to poll them in a similar fashion BTW
16:46 <bshah>	From my side none, no
16:46 <Sho_>	(I'd ask Nate now, but I know he's dying on an airport somewhere as we speak)
16:47 <d_ed>	I only have one kwin patch I want in
16:48 <bshah>	(maybe not dying, ngraham was just active in #kde-devel :) )
16:48 <Sho_>	figuratively :P
16:48 <ngraham>	I had a muffin so I'm running on sugar right now
16:49 <Sho_>	yay
16:49 <Sho_>	ngraham: I'm in the mode of trying to avoid freezing and doing a beta and realizing we all forgot about something because the holidays took us out of things
16:49 <Sho_>	is there's anything wippy the VDG is doing that needs massaging to get done in time?
16:49 <Sho_>	(we've had situations of trying to do releases amidst major theme rewrites and stuff like that ...)
16:50 <Riddell>	is there a new wallpaper? :)
16:50 <Sho_>	^ good point :)
16:50 <ngraham>	Sho_: vlad redid the animation combobox patch in another way so hopefully we can get that in for 5.15
16:50 <Sho_>	d_ed: which patch BTW, anything I'm smart enough to help with?
16:50 <Sho_>	ngraham: ah, I didn't see the new version yet
16:51 <ngraham>	https://phabricator.kde.org/D17765 and https://phabricator.kde.org/D17766
16:51 <sKreamer>	Diff 17765 "[kcmkwin] Move effects model into a shared library" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D17765
16:51 <sKreamer>	Diff 17766 "[kcmkwin/desktop] Add animation option back" [Accepted] https://phabricator.kde.org/D17766
16:52 <ngraham>	VDG-stuff-wise, there's my login screen change which proved controversial of course: https://phabricator.kde.org/D16031
16:52 <sKreamer>	Diff 16031 "[SDDM theme] remove blur and increase UI contrast so that it's not required" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D16031
16:52 <ngraham>	the discussion kind of petered out after everyone got exhausted
16:52 <ngraham>	one big thing I'd really like to get done for 5.15 is the wallpaper overhaul: https://phabricator.kde.org/T10269
16:52 <sKreamer>	Task 10269 "Improve wallpapers" [Open,Needs Triage] {Plasma,VDG} https://phabricator.kde.org/T10269
16:53 <ngraham>	Currently there's a technical discussion in https://phabricator.kde.org/D18005 that could use some more of the seasoned Plasma folks to chime in
16:53 <sKreamer>	Diff 18005 "Include only the largest size for each wallpaper" [Accepted] https://phabricator.kde.org/D18005
16:54 <*	Sho_ sets a bookmark for some time this week
16:55 <ngraham>	cool, thanks!
16:55 <ngraham>	we have a couple of VDG guys who are super enthusiastic and have both aesthetic and technical abilities and I want to help them get stuck in as much as possible
16:55 <Sho_>	what can we do to help?
16:55 <ngraham>	these guys have like limitless energy and it's a pretty amazing opportunity for us IMO
16:56 <ngraham>	Basically whenever #plasma gets pinged in a VDG ticket, try to answer technical or historical questions that have arisen there
16:57 <Sho_>	Ok
16:58 <Sho_>	Riddell, you got anything?
16:59 <Sho_>	Seems other than d_ed being shy about that patch link we're wrapped up :)
16:59 <Riddell>	hi
16:59 <bshah>	guess not :P
16:59 <d_ed>	Sho_: D17247
16:59 <sKreamer>	Diff 17247 "Cleanup virutal desktops in deleted" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D17247
16:59 <Riddell>	5.14.5 is tomorrow! last chance to fix 5.14 issues
17:00 <Riddell>	beta is in 10 days time as discussed, I'll start a notepad for features today for the announce please add features
17:00 <Riddell>	and significant bug fixes
17:00 <d_ed>	it seems a purely hypothetical case, but it has a dangy pointer nonetheless
17:01 <Riddell>	for the beta I'll do what we discussed some month ago and get the neon dev-stable edition announced as a way to test it.  I might even rename dev-stable edition to beta for the occation
17:02 <Riddell>	and I'll ask around for making a video
17:03 <Riddell>	oh and fosdem
17:03 <Sho_>	d_ed: xdg-decoration is merged already?
17:03 <Riddell>	I'll write up some spiel about 5.15 for fosdem, and talk about beta and forthcoming release
17:03 <Riddell>	if you're going please sign up here https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2019
17:04 <Riddell>	and in frameworks I need to look at a kdesu patch
17:04 <Riddell>	that's all
17:05 <Sho_>	Ok, other than the Wayland VD stuff it looks like nothing is burning too badly then
17:07 <d_ed>	merged already
17:07 <d_ed>	just before the frameworks freeze
17:07 <Sho_>	cool
17:07 <Sho_>	I think I have a bunch of open bug tickets somewhere, too
17:08 <ngraham>	plasma bugs could use some triaging
17:08 <ngraham>	they piled up a bit over the holidays
17:08 <Sho_>	yeah
17:08 <Riddell>	oh yes remember frameworks 5.54 is now tagged and tarred which is the version we'll dep on for plasma 5.15
17:08 <Sho_>	hopefully by mid-week I'm done writing the 2019 eV budget plan (d_ed: there's a FWG meeting in your future :P) and can do some bugzilla work
17:09 <ngraham>	BTE d_ed if at any time you can give me a hand with https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402930, that would be much appreciated
17:09 <sKreamer>	KDE bug 402930 in systemsettings (kcm_sddm) "After you use the image picker to change the background image, your chosen image appears in the picker, but disappears if you navigate away from the KCM and then go back" [normal,] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402930
17:11 <Sho_>	bshah: Are you declaring the meeting over then?
17:11 <ngraham>	of course by BTE I mean BTW
17:12 <bshah>	Sho_: sure. I will send notes in bit
17:13 <Sho_>	thx!
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