Plasma Vision v 2.0

[Jens Reuterberg]

Yes that was a worry of mine too - that certain people in the community would 
use the vision as a club against developers but then I thought that the issue 
there isn't so much the vision - its the person using it as a club.

Any vision can be used as a club, every statement of intent, even now where we 
don't have one certain people are using it on reddit to harass, harangue or 
simply misuse it as their idea of an "argument". It can't be avoided. 
Some people are simply going to take whatever ammunition they can use and at 
the same time ignore the realities of developers ("no I can't make it 
controllable through telepathy, even if that is your workflow!")

If someone uses the vision (or ANYTHING) to harass our developers I think we 
as a community must be more vocal. Its a lacking of ours to not step up and 
just set that person right. Simply going "well the realities of programming is 
that even though your idea is something the developer would LOVE to include 
its not feasible right now" - or if its actually more on the harassing side 
speak up in that channel and clearly put yourself between developer and 
harasser. 

This is a very very relevant topic but one where the key aspect of it is 
1) us being able to tell users and actual commentators that "Well that feature 
is a good idea but currently there is no way to do it, help out though!" or 
"Hmm that would make the rest of the application worse - do you have a 
suggestion on making your idea fit more gracefully?"
2) us being able to tell trolls and harassers to bugger off more quickly. We 
loose developers when we don't step up and give the only argument some of 
these people deserve: "No, go away"

(sry this is a sore topic of mine and something that kinda pisses me off more 
than I thought it would :) )

As for the vision: I think that as a statement of intent its good, toning it 
down may hurt it to the point its more a Mission Statement or Strategy 
Document - we want the vision to be a flag in the distance to aim for as well. 


On Thursday, 15 June 2017 21.11.34 CEST Martin Flöser wrote:
> Am 2017-06-09 09:40, schrieb Jens Reuterberg:
> > Time to get back to the vision.
> > 
> > ---- Plasma Vision 2 ----
> > Plasma never dictates the user's needs, it only strives to solve them.
> > Plasma
> > never defines what the user should be allowed to do, it only ensures
> > that she
> > can.
> 
> I'm not too happy with this part as it can be interpreted by the user
> that we must support his/her weird workflow. I can already see how users
> bring up the old "you must support this, because you are all about
> customization" now backed with the vision.
> 
> Cheers
> Martin