Scope of framework integration plugin?

[Martin Graesslin]

On Monday, November 30, 2015 12:59:02 PM CET Luigi Toscano wrote:
> On Monday 30 of November 2015 12:48:26 Martin Graesslin wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > there is currently a review request to add OSX specific changes to
> > framework integration plugin [1].
> > 
> > This seems wrong to me. I think our framework integration plugin is about
> > integration Qt applications into the Plasma workspace. In my opinion it
> > should not be used anywhere else. Not on GNOME, not on Windows and not on
> > OSX. The idea of integration is that applications look native on the
> > desired platform. The plugin defines the native look on Plasma and by that
> > using it on other platforms is automatically breaking the integration.
> > 
> > Now I understand that some people don't like the native look of their
> > platform and would prefer using Plasma. Sorry I don't have an answer to
> > that. Unfortunately I think it's completely out of scope for the
> > integration platform to be considered outside Plasma.
> 
> Really? I see people trying to use KDE Applications (for example on #kde) on
> different desktop environment and being confused for the look and feel. I
> understand that:
> - you don't want the Plasma look used outside Plasma
> - yes, other desktop environment should provide and integration plugin
> 
> but isn't it really possible to have a "simpler" default integration plugin,
> when no one else is provided, that at least show the icons, for example?

That would belong into Qt, shouldn't it?

> 
> I think we are not helping users of KDE applications but not Plasma users,
> and let's be realistic about the possibility of other desktop environment
> providing an integration plugin.
> 
> > Given that: if people agree with my view that the framework integration is
> > only about Plasma, I suggest that we move the framework integration to
> > kde/
> > workspace to release it together with Plasma instead of frameworks.
> 
> IMHO only if it's possible to package and load it outside Plasma, or
> otherwise if there is a more sane default plugin.

what's more sane? Qt should do sane things, if not it needs to be patched.

Cheers
Martin
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