[Powerdevil] [Bug 355892] missing suspend/hibernate with upower 0.99.3 and Devuan

[Mathieu Roy via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355892

--- Comment #14 from Mathieu Roy <yeupou at gnu.org> ---
Martin Gräßlin,

[off topic to this bug report that will anyway not amount to anything]

Quotes should be used only to quote. No one ever wrote anything about a
"systemd conspiracy" here, so let's drop this whole notion.

You don't care what I'm using, though in your first reply you immediately
suggest to me to use systemd. A bit much for someone that actually have no
opinion about it. 

A quick look at your blog tells a lot. You wrote "To me it is clear for quite
some time already that I won’t accept patches any more for non-Linux. Including
another code path or even a build flag for non-Linux systems is not worth the
increasing maintaining costs. If non-Linux systems want to include patches they
should do it downstream", "Yes and I fully agree with Lennart on not including
non-Linux OS in systemd. And I hope that Debian will decide for systemd and the
motivation for this blog post was mostly systemd with both Debian and KDE in my
mind"  
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/08/thoughts-about-kde-plasma-on-non-linux-systems/ 

Downstream, isn't it a thing for you? There is no conspiracy (what, are we 5
year old?) but you surely look like someone not totally neutral about systemd. 
And you have the right too. It is not a problem per se.

What I really said, though, is I find unlikely that coding an alternative to
systemd is feasible in the long run. I scratched my itch, as you see, I went
back using an outdated upower. I do not have time to do more than that and,
most importantly, I dont think it is sensible to actually do more than that.

Now, if we are here to give opinions, I'd just say that since this whole
systemd story started, it looks like we are talking about something major in
computing. Conspiracies? Seriously? Well, how to put it? Almost no one I know
in life knows KDE. No one. Or one. KDE is a considerably minor desktop
environment on a system still unfit for many simple desktop users. If using it
itches too much, there is another option: looking somewhere else. Long time
ago, ten years before you were even working on KDE, I was puzzled by what was
going with GNOME. I was using GNOME and thought that their plans for GNOME 2
was a joke, for instance deciding to give to a company that came out of nowhere
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eazel ) the task to write a new file manager
out of the blue. Despite user community questioning this approach, they went
with it. Turns out it was not at all a success story. I stopped using GNOME at
that time. It was not such a big issue for me, I lived with it with no problem.
It did not change everything for GNOME, they just lost users with GNOME 2. This
systemd whole story looks to me more the business of young software developers
that found a way to have a central role in GNU/Linux than anything else.
So what's next? Maybe you are right, maybe systemd will turns out to be the
best choice and ten years from now no one would imagine GNU/Linux without it. 
If you are wrong, well, KDE will continue to lag behind Apple OS X and MS
Windows, despite its qualities. I already stopped using Konqueror two years
ago. I was tempted to stop using kmail and I was forced to make people I know
using thunderbird because of the unreliability of kmail2. It is not like
quitting KDE is impossible. There is no killer feature.

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