Fwd: Re: [PATCH] fade out panel in desktopgrid

Sebastian Kügler sebas at kde.org
Mon Feb 9 20:02:41 CET 2009

On Monday 09 February 2009 19:10:53 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> I need the panel in
> desktop grid as it helps me to identify the desktop I am currently using
> showing me the apps in this desktop.

Just to clarify, the original problem was that the panel would be the same on 
all desktops (because it changes appearance when desktops are switched). So

- it's useless to distinguish a certain desktop as you state
- it's different from the actual panel you'll see on that desktop after 

Zooming out mentally.

The whole patch is so simple and the issue so seemingly minor that I'm very 
concerned about collaboration between Plasma and KWin. Long ago I wanted to 
have more interaction and integration between Plasma and KWin (and I even 
think it's critical for a good user experience). I'm not blaming anybody here, 
but it depresses me how badly that collaboration sucks right now, at least 
when done via mailinglist. I hope we can find some time to sit together at 
Akademy to sort out the most glaring issues preventing the KDE workspace 
becoming one user experience, but that's of course way too late for KDE 4.3, 
so we're looking at a timeframe of nearly a year before this would become 
visible, if at all possible.

From a Plasma developer POV that loves KWin as well, and has even worked on it 
a bit, if an issue like this costs so much energy to tackle, I have little 
hope that for a better integration of those two components. It feels a bit 
like everything that's coming from the Plasma team is rejected by default and 
only accepted in very rare cases. That certainly makes me sad and is not in 
line with interaction in other parts of KDE. :-(

We sat together here in Porto yesterday and though about what where we'd like 
to see more integration between KWin and Plasma. This thread makes me believe 
that it'll cost a lot of energy along with much frustration to actually get 
there -- and that while I know that all of us share the same goals and are 
actually very nice people.

Can we all try a bit harder, please?

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