[Owncloud] Gitorious vs Github

[Alessandro Cosentino]

Since it's community bonding period for me, I feel allowed to sneak in
this conversation :)

I agree that we should use one of those two and not find something
exotic, which is not "federated" and doesn't have a community around
it.

That said, "politically" I am with Klaas on the github/gitorious
issue. I believe that gitorious should be supported as much as
possible, even just for being open-source. If we don't like something
on it, we should work hard to change it. I don't like the idea of
"developing opensource software with whatever means are easier to
reach". Even when it comes to the community, I think that the
gitorious one is the closest to ours: Qt are there, which means many
KDE developers are there already. We need to give another chance to
gitorious and hopefully it will acquire enough momentum and who knows,
perhaps it will become better than github.

At that time, I was following owncloud, but not as much as now, so you
enlighten me on this: why did we move away from the KDE repository
platform?

Alessandro (zimba12)


On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Georg Ehrke
<ownclouddev at georgswebsite.de> wrote:
> Another good point for Github is,
> that a lot of 3rdparty projects we use are on github.
> So we can easily fork them and contribute bug fixes we fixed. So every
> project profit by it.
>
> (3rdparty projects on github: jquery, ace editor, full calendar, when,
> Sabre, …)
>
> Am 30.04.2012 um 22:56 schrieb Francois Lacroix:
>
> I agree why not move to http://gitlabhq.com/
> It is Open source and a github like
>
> On 30 avr. 2012, at 22:39, Tom Needham <tom at owncloud.com> wrote:
>
> I'd also like to see us move over to Github for our repository hosting and
> issue tracker. I think it would be hugely beneficial to have an integrated
> issue tracker, where we can reference commits easily. As Georg also said, we
> would get tracker for each repo which would really help keep things
> organised.
>
> The current bug tracker (although functional) leaves a lot to be desired,
> and with every update they seem to introduce a different bug. Just look
> at http://bugs.owncloud.org/thebuggenie/issues/my if you haven't already.
> The page load times are also becoming unacceptable. We need to make it as
> easy as possible to keep things organised!
>
> If we moved to Github we would not have to worry about these problems and
> the user management would be integrated.
>
> I know it will be a pain to move, but I think it will pay off with a much
> better workflow afterwards.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
>
> Tom Needham
> tom at owncloud.com
>
> On 30 Apr 2012, at 15:49, Georg Ehrke wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I can only agree to Jan.
>
> Am 28.04.2012 um 22:43 schrieb Klaas Freitag:
>
> On 28.04.2012 22:21, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote:
>
> Not to open a can of worms (again),
>
> lol
>
>
> ..[Github is more hip and better]..
>
>
> Software freedom – and in this case the freedom of the software we use
>
> for development – is just a means, not an end. Our goal is the freedom
>
> of others, that of the people we make the software for. And that can
>
> be achieved best&  fastest by using Github and by leveraging a vast
>
> range of enthusiastic developers&  designers which are, as it is,
>
> mostly on Github.
>
> This discussion is the "vi or emacs" discussion of these days. What you
> basically say is that for our goal to produce free software it does not
> matter if the basics we use for that is free, as long its the best.
>
>
> I heard that 100x and still I don't buy it. It's wrong. Freedom requires
> freedom,
>
> Linus actually hosted Linux on Github when kernel.org was down ;)
>
> its not working otherwise. Thought into an extreme, look how nice github
> could harm free software by simply switching off.
>
> Gitorious could switch off as well.
>
> (Yes, I also know that git is de-central, but still, you get the idea.
>
>
> Apart from that, I am tired of the discussion of course and don't really
> care from where I do git pull. The argument against our bugtracker however
> does not count for me here.
>
> I have to agree to Jan in this point too. Our Bugtracker works, but i would
> appreciate github issues.
> Further more we would have separated issue pages for the different
> repositories. (core, apps, desktop client, android client)
>
>
> regards,
>
> Klaas
>
>
> Cheers,
> Georg
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Klaas Freitag<freitag at owncloud.com>  wrote:
>
> On 27.04.2012 18:46, Georg Ehrke wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Georg,
>
>
>
> btw. i was always interested why we use gitorious and not github?
>
>
>
> I think (and hope) that is because gitorious is free software while github
>
> is propietory. That is a value for us.
>
>
> regards,
>
>
> Klaas
>
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