Add autosave function to Okular
Wen Chang
changyaowen19980629 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 24 14:04:42 BST 2024
> As Laura described yes, as you described it no.
>
> Okular is not a file management system, you use git or whatever other
tool for
> that, keeping N old copies of the same file makes no sense.
>
> Cheers,
> Albert
I agree with your decision and can implement Laura's idea.
Could you please let me know how to contribute to this feature?
I am not familiar with KDE policies.
Thank you.
Best,
Wen
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> 1. Re: Add autosave function to Okular (Albert Astals Cid)
> 2. Re: Add possibility to adjust the font size for PDF form
> filling (Albert Astals Cid)
> 3. [okular] [Bug 490714] The program is not restored from a
> saved session after another update. (Albert Astals Cid)
> 4. Re: Add possibility to adjust the font size for PDF form
> filling (Andy Sardina)
> 5. [okular] [Bug 490714] The program is not restored from a
> saved session after another update. (Adrian Carver)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:50:13 +0200
> From: Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>
> To: okular-devel at kde.org
> Subject: Re: Add autosave function to Okular
> Message-ID: <15943638.68RGZT8oEa at xps15>
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> El dilluns, 22 de juliol del 2024, a les 7:28:12 (CEST), Wen Chang va
> escriure:
> > > Exactly, auto save is just not how desktop software generally works.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Albert
> >
> > Could we implement the backup method for Okular?
>
> As Laura described yes, as you described it no.
>
> Okular is not a file management system, you use git or whatever other tool
> for
> that, keeping N old copies of the same file makes no sense.
>
> Cheers,
> Albert
>
> >
> > Best,
> > Wen
> > <okular-devel-request at kde.org> 於 2024年7月18日 週四 下午7:00寫道：
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > > 1. [okular] [Bug 490337] Allow to get PDF passwords from a
> > >
> > > org.freedesktop.secrets service (yan12125)
> > >
> > > 2. [okular] [Bug 490337] Allow to get PDF passwords from a
> > >
> > > org.freedesktop.secrets service (Albert Astals Cid)
> > >
> > > 3. Re: Add autosave function to Okular (Albert Astals Cid)
> > > 4. Re: Add autosave function to Okular (Wen Chang)
> > > 5. [okular] [Bug 490435] New: printing from the selected range
> > >
> > > of pages does not work correctly (Nazar)
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:59:53 +0000
> > > From: yan12125 <bugzilla_noreply at kde.org>
> > > To: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > Subject: [okular] [Bug 490337] Allow to get PDF passwords from a
> > >
> > > org.freedesktop.secrets service
> > >
> > > Message-ID: <bug-490337-85596-IgPGCqe1St at http.bugs.kde.org/>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490337
> > >
> > > --- Comment #2 from yan12125 <yu3actxt2tttfimx at chyen.cc> ---
> > > Ah, I forgot the main point: I use neither KDE nor kwalletd. Instead, I
> > > use
> > > KeePassXC as a cross-platform solution to manage all my secrets. That
> > > program
> > > also provides org.freedesktop.secrets service like kwalletd. If Okular
> > > supports
> > > org.freedesktop.secrets, I can just use KeePassXC instead of setting up
> > > another
> > > secrets service for PDF passwords.
> > >
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 20:19:56 +0000
> > > From: "Albert Astals Cid" <bugzilla_noreply at kde.org>
> > > To: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > Subject: [okular] [Bug 490337] Allow to get PDF passwords from a
> > >
> > > org.freedesktop.secrets service
> > >
> > > Message-ID: <bug-490337-85596-yNCrJ0qU5B at http.bugs.kde.org/>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490337
> > >
> > > --- Comment #3 from Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> ---
> > > Ok, i guess that makes some sense, I wouldnt' be against such feature.
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:22:41 +0200
> > > From: Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>
> > > To: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > Subject: Re: Add autosave function to Okular
> > > Message-ID: <2416547.6LXrqp22Eu at xps15>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > El dimecres, 17 de juliol del 2024, a les 7:26:20 (CEST), Laura David
> > > Hurka va
> > >
> > > escriure:
> > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:01:53 +0800 Wen Chang wrote:
> > > > > I can do it that way by saving the changes in a backup file.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to know why modifying the file on disk without user
> > > > > interaction is a bad idea based on your experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I noticed that VSCode automatically saves changes once they
> are
> > > > > made.
> > > > > To my knowledge, only the file that the user is working on will be
> > > > > modified.
> > > > >
> > > > > What drawbacks would there be if a file is directly modified
> without
> > >
> > > user
> > >
> > > > > interaction?
> > > >
> > > > Drawback would be that it is unusual and unexpected for many users
> > >
> > > (unless
> > >
> > > > the user explicitly configured it that way).
> > > >
> > > > Imagine you have a form that you need to fill out often, and then
> just
> > >
> > > print
> > >
> > > > once.
> > > > If changes are saved automatically, you can’t use the file the next
> time
> > > > anymore, because it is already filled.
> > > >
> > > > It would also not make much sense with “Open...”, “Save”, and “Save
> > >
> > > As...”.
> > >
> > > Exactly, auto save is just not how desktop software generally works.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Albert
> > >
> > > > Laura
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:28:31 +0800
> > > From: Wen Chang <changyaowen19980629 at gmail.com>
> > > To: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > Subject: Re: Add autosave function to Okular
> > >
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > >
> > > CAKPy6qvpTJeYnfT6v_qB0pB1TJEpkUE8gProHN-mrGxEz_rA9w at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > That's indeed the concern of the autosave method.
> > > Thanks for letting me know.
> > >
> > > About your concern, I provide my suggestion as follows:
> > > > Drawback would be that it is unusual and unexpected for many users
> > >
> > > (unless the
> > >
> > > > user explicitly configured it that way).
> > >
> > > The autosave function is disabled by default. Once the user clicks the
> > > button to turn it on, changes will be saved automatically. This ensures
> > > that users are aware they are in autosave mode. Additionally, autosave
> > > will
> > > remain enabled the next time the user opens Okular.
> > >
> > > Does implementing the method this way make more sense? Feel free to
> let me
> > > know.
> > >
> > > > If changes are saved automatically, you can’t use the file the next
> time
> > > > anymore, because it is already filled.
> > >
> > > In this situation, I suggest saving a backup file whenever the user
> closes
> > > Okular. This would create a list of backup files in a folder located in
> > > the
> > > same directory as the document. Users would then be able to roll back
> by
> > > checking different versions of the backup files.
> > >
> > > To my understanding, the current policy in Okular does not allow users
> to
> > > revert to the original version of a file once they have saved it
> manually,
> > > right? Please correct me if I am mistaken. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Wen
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> > > > 1. Re: Add autosave function to Okular (Laura David Hurka)
> > > >
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> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:26:20 +0200
> > > > From: Laura David Hurka <laura.stern at mailbox.org>
> > > > To: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Add autosave function to Okular
> > > > Message-ID: <6009722.DvuYhMxLoT at doro>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:01:53 +0800 Wen Chang wrote:
> > > > > I can do it that way by saving the changes in a backup file.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to know why modifying the file on disk without user
> > > > > interaction is a bad idea based on your experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I noticed that VSCode automatically saves changes once they
> are
> > > >
> > > > made.
> > > >
> > > > > To my knowledge, only the file that the user is working on will be
> > > >
> > > > modified.
> > > >
> > > > > What drawbacks would there be if a file is directly modified
> without
> > >
> > > user
> > >
> > > > > interaction?
> > > >
> > > > Drawback would be that it is unusual and unexpected for many users
> > >
> > > (unless
> > >
> > > > the
> > > > user explicitly configured it that way).
> > > >
> > > > Imagine you have a form that you need to fill out often, and then
> just
> > > > print
> > > > once.
> > > > If changes are saved automatically, you can’t use the file the next
> time
> > > > anymore, because it is already filled.
> > > >
> > > > It would also not make much sense with “Open...”, “Save”, and “Save
> > >
> > > As...”.
> > >
> > > > Laura
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > From: Nazar <bugzilla_noreply at kde.org>
> > > To: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > Subject: [okular] [Bug 490435] New: printing from the selected range
> > >
> > > of pages does not work correctly
> > >
> > > Message-ID: <bug-490435-85596 at http.bugs.kde.org/>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490435
> > >
> > > Bug ID: 490435
> > >
> > > Summary: printing from the selected range of pages does not
> > >
> > > work correctly
> > >
> > > Classification: Applications
> > >
> > > Product: okular
> > > Version: 23.08.1
> > >
> > > Platform: Microsoft Windows
> > >
> > > OS: Other
> > >
> > > Status: REPORTED
> > >
> > > Severity: normal
> > > Priority: NOR
> > >
> > > Component: printing
> > >
> > > Assignee: okular-devel at kde.org
> > > Reporter: nazar2692 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > Target Milestone: ---
> > >
> > > SUMMARY
> > > printing from the selected range of pages does not work correctly
> > >
> > > STEPS TO REPRODUCE
> > > 1. File
> > > 2. Printing
> > > 3. Pages: page range 1,3,5
> > > 4. Button - Print
> > >
> > > OBSERVED RESULT
> > > prints only the currently displayed page, rather than the selected page
> > > range
> > >
> > > EXPECTED RESULT
> > >
> > >
> > > SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS
> > > Windows: Windows 11 Home
> > > macOS:
> > > Linux/KDE Plasma:
> > > (available in About System)
> > > KDE Plasma Version:
> > > KDE Frameworks Version: 5.109.0
> > > Qt Version: 5.15.10
> > >
> > > ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:11:23 +0200
> From: Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>
> To: Okular development <okular-devel at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: Add possibility to adjust the font size for PDF form
> filling
> Message-ID: <23268509.iS4c0tQboZ at xps15>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> El dimarts, 23 de juliol del 2024, a les 12:46:59 (CEST), Andy Sardina va
> escriure:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have used Okular recently to fill a PDF form and I haven't found a
> way
> > (in the UI) to adjust the font size for text fields. This is a problem
> > because for some text fields, specially the ones where one has to write
> an
> > address, even if the text fits perfectly in the Okular::FormLineEdit,
> when
> > it gets rendered, the text could be cut.
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > [image: form-show.png]
> >
> > but when the form is hidden:
> >
> > [image: form-hidden.png]
> >
> > The problem seems to be that the font (and font size) for the
> > Okular::FormLineEdit is different from the one in the Default Appearance
> > (DA) in the PDF.
> >
> > My proposal is to take advantage of the method
> > Poppler::FormFieldText::setTextFontSize to adjust the font size in
> > the PopplerFormFieldText (Poppler Generator).
> >
> > Ideally, Poppler::FormFieldText could have a member function that
> returns a
> > pointer (to avoid duplicating the same object if many text files share
> the
> > same font) to
> > the font defined in the DA (implies changes in Poppler itself). This font
> > can then be used on the constructor of Okular::FormLineEdit to "sync"
> both
> > fonts.
> >
> > What do you think? Is this a change that could be accepted?
>
> Setting the font & font size is possibly a valid feature, we do that
> already
> for annotations so i don't see why we would not do it for Forms.
>
> What you suggest of sharing pointers between poppler and okular, that's
> possibly a bad idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Albert
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:14:38 +0000
> From: "Albert Astals Cid" <bugzilla_noreply at kde.org>
> To: okular-devel at kde.org
> Subject: [okular] [Bug 490714] The program is not restored from a
> saved session after another update.
> Message-ID: <bug-490714-85596-AMyCNgARf4 at http.bugs.kde.org/>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490714
>
> Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> changed:
>
> What |Removed |Added
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Severity|major |normal
> CC| |aacid at kde.org
>
> --- Comment #1 from Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> ---
> It is also tiresome that you decided your report important is "major"
> instead
> of "normal", it's not.
>
> I don't even know what you are reporting.
>
> Are you reporting that saving a session doesn't work? That would be a
> Plasma
> bug, not an Okular bug.
>
> Are you wishing Okular had its own session concept? That's not even a bug,
> that'd be a wish.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:35:05 +0300
> From: Andy Sardina <andysardina22 at gmail.com>
> To: Okular development <okular-devel at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: Add possibility to adjust the font size for PDF form
> filling
> Message-ID:
> <CA+mZVhT-iJtQ0wDLFomCaxdGG=
> 7oL40yFanK6cwp8k-4o75FNw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Cool!
>
> I’ll work on a PR and avoid sharing pointers between the two levels.
>
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 at 1:11 AM Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
>
> > El dimarts, 23 de juliol del 2024, a les 12:46:59 (CEST), Andy Sardina va
> > escriure:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have used Okular recently to fill a PDF form and I haven't found a
> > way
> > > (in the UI) to adjust the font size for text fields. This is a problem
> > > because for some text fields, specially the ones where one has to write
> > an
> > > address, even if the text fits perfectly in the Okular::FormLineEdit,
> > when
> > > it gets rendered, the text could be cut.
> > >
> > > For example:
> > >
> > > [image: form-show.png]
> > >
> > > but when the form is hidden:
> > >
> > > [image: form-hidden.png]
> > >
> > > The problem seems to be that the font (and font size) for the
> > > Okular::FormLineEdit is different from the one in the Default
> Appearance
> > > (DA) in the PDF.
> > >
> > > My proposal is to take advantage of the method
> > > Poppler::FormFieldText::setTextFontSize to adjust the font size in
> > > the PopplerFormFieldText (Poppler Generator).
> > >
> > > Ideally, Poppler::FormFieldText could have a member function that
> > returns a
> > > pointer (to avoid duplicating the same object if many text files share
> > the
> > > same font) to
> > > the font defined in the DA (implies changes in Poppler itself). This
> font
> > > can then be used on the constructor of Okular::FormLineEdit to "sync"
> > both
> > > fonts.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Is this a change that could be accepted?
> >
> > Setting the font & font size is possibly a valid feature, we do that
> > already
> > for annotations so i don't see why we would not do it for Forms.
> >
> > What you suggest of sharing pointers between poppler and okular, that's
> > possibly a bad idea.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Albert
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 09:06:56 +0000
> From: "Adrian Carver" <bugzilla_noreply at kde.org>
> To: okular-devel at kde.org
> Subject: [okular] [Bug 490714] The program is not restored from a
> saved session after another update.
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> --- Comment #2 from Adrian Carver <adrian.carver at yandex.ru> ---
> (In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #1)
>
> Albert, if you don't understand something, you can always ask clarifying
> questions to the authors of the two “brilliant” ideas: the one who decided
> that
> the idea of redirecting a KDE user to the project's internal bug tracker
> with
> mandatory registration there was a very good idea. The second person who
> can
> explain to you what's going on is the one who, after the first one,
> decided not
> to create a sane registration form with a short introductory FAQ on how to
> use
> this bug tracker, sincerely hoping in his heart that an ordinary user
> wouldn't
> register here.
>
> I wouldn't, if I hadn't once again started to be annoyed by the non-obvious
> behavior of the system and its separate component - ocular. I clicked on
> the
> “Report a bug...” menu and wrote it down as best I could. Where to
> redistribute
> it - to bugs, non-critical bugs, wishes...in general, this is the job of
> “moderator”, I assume yours. To me, this kind of behavior is critical in
> use.
> Well, no one has explicitly familiarized me with what the statuses in your
> tracker mean.
>
> At the same time, you can start a couple of tasks to finalize the
> registration
> form on the basis of the above: the situation shows that it will be useful.
>
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