[Okular-devel] [Bug 181290] Landscape pdf prints with wrong orientation when choosing landscape in print dialog

[Albert Astals Cid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181290





--- Comment #39 from Albert Astals Cid <tsdgeos terra es>  2010-02-22 19:46:28 ---
> So, Albert, are you saying that KDE developers just don't care about the
> opinion of their users? 

No, I don't know what other KDE developers think, but i do care about the
opinion of users

> The users should not be entitled to their own opinion
> on KDE because they don't give money or coding time? 

No, everyone is entitled to have an opinion

> What is the goal of bug reports?

Reporting non known bugs or giving extra information on existing ones

> Is this a private club for KDE developers and financial supporters?

No

> You know, it is weird, i have always thought that contributing with a bug
> report is a CONTRIBUTE to the project exactly as it could be with money or
> coding time because they say not only what is wrong, but also what the users
> think is IMPORTANT. 

This is comment #36 of a lot of printing related bugs, you are not CONTRIBUTING
anything by adding yet another "you suck because printing is not fixed"
comment. On the other hand we appreciate a lot the contribution of unknown bugs
or addition of extra information to existing ones.

> But of course this supposes that on the other side there is
> someone that reads them and tries to learn something from them, 
> if nothing else at least what is valuable to their users and what is not,
> instead than telling to their users that with their comments they add
> "exactly zero value to the issue". 

Should i lie? Those comment added exactly zero value to the issue, in fact they
possibily added negative value

> Not only this, but here we have users that are using their time to read
> this bug report and comment.
> Is their time less valuable than developer's time?

I don't care how others spend their time

> Should they pay someone to have the privilege to tell you what's important?

If you want a privilege, yes you have to pay or reward me in some other way.

> You say "we all know printing is broken". Really?

With "we" meaning the Okular developers, at which this bug is addressed, yes,
really.

> But maybe what you miss to know is that printing is IMPORTANT to a desktop
> user. 

No, i do not miss that.

> And this is what these comments try to point out. 

No, a comment saying "printing is still not fixed, you suck" does not try to
point that out, it's a personal attack against the developers, and with a very
weird rationale, some people think personal attacks is going to give them a
positive answer from a developer

> After years from the initial release of KDE4 _still_
> printing is not working as it should and it did (in KDE3). 

Again, we know

> Is it such a shame if some users try to underline this important aspect
> trying to get the attention of who CAN and KNOWS how to fix this problem?

We know it's important.

> What is the point of wasting coding time adding useless graphical effects
> when an important subsystem of KDE still is missing to work properly
> (when it used to work in KDE3)? 

This is mostly a volunteer run project, people waste their time in what they
like. There are some ways to change what a developer wants to code, one of them
is money, there are others, but they not involve the words "suck", "waste",
etc.

> Maybe coding special effects is more fun than getting a printer to work
> out of the box? 

For some developers, for sure.

> Do you think KDE users need more special effects or print
> without having to turn the world upside-down?

What i think it's non interesting here since in your words "i'm not wasting my
time in coding graphical effects"

> Do you see the point of these comments now? 

No

> Do you see WHY they are important just like the coding time of a developer?

No, hate comments or comments that add no information to a known bug just
"remove" time from developers that can fix the issue, because we have to find a
polite-ish way to answer your mail.

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