[Okular-devel] [Bug 181290] Landscape pdf prints with wrong orientation when choosing landscape in print dialog

[Pino Toscano]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181290





--- Comment #37 from Pino Toscano <pino kde org>  2010-02-22 12:14:29 ---
(In reply to comment #35)
> (In reply to comment #34)
> > There's a huge difference between "be entitled to their opinion" and "repeating
> > the same concept over and over". As said above, broken or
> > less-than-optimally-working printing is overly known by us. Repeating in each
> > bug report "printing is bad, please fix it!" will not magically fix problems
> > over night.
> > We don't need people to repeat that over and over, we need people to help.
> 
> Albert said: "if you are not going to give coding time nor money to fix the
> issue you should nor really comment because your comments add exactly *zero*
> value to the issue". 
> 
> I answered to this.

... which is exactly what I was talking about: the problem is there, and that
comment did not add anything useful to this bug report.

> > As I said, we know printing is an important task, yes. If you don't believe so,
> > please read my first paragraph above and tell me for whatever else reason I
> > would had to fight against kdeprint removal, if I would not think that printing
> > is important.
> > But, at the same time, you should try to understand a bit that printing is a
> > rather complex system, which needs a lot more than one day of hacking. And this
> > bug report proves this once more.
> > Okular team is very small (barely to the existance), and kind of "recreating" a
> > "mini" printing system mapping from the few functionalities of the Qt system to
> > our needs is not an easy task.
> 
> Okular should not implement its own printing system. It should rely on KDE's printing system.

Why don't you read what I said above, like comment #27? There is *no* KDE
printing system in KDE 4.
Now, either we want or not, we rely on Qt printing system, which is limited and
needs to be worked around.

> Every program will have to develop it's own printing system?

No, this is mostly an Okular specific issue, due to the way Okular handles
document of different types (PDF, DjVu, etc).

> What i see, as a KDE user from a long time now, is that for some unknown reason
> all of a sudden KDE developers have abandoned a desktop environment that _did_
> work and replaced it with a different desktop enviromnent that is missing
> important features and gives priority to absolutely useless aspects (such as
> graphical effects).

Like people worked on what they preferred before, they do now as well.
Didn't you read above that I said nobody was working on KDE3's kdeprint for
years and years?
The fact that kdeprint "worked" does not imply (sadly) that it was bug free,
nor it was able to handle features in more recent CUPS versions. Just think
kdeprint was up to the features of CUPS 1.0, which is was released more than 6
years ago!

> but it is not acceptable to say to the
> users "if you don't pay or don't give code-time then your contribute is zero
> and so you should not comment". This kind of behaviour is what i criticized.

Now try to be in our shoes just for a short moment: what you would think if
people would phone you every hour just saying "it does not work!" and then
hanging up? This is getting annoying.
Just before I get misunderstood: I have nothing against constructive comments
(eg "I tried this and that and got slightly different results"), but I do find
unuseful opening a bug report, skip all the comments in it and just write "you
bad poeple, this is a huge bug and please fix it!".

(In reply to comment #36)
> Please tell us so that we don't fill in annoying bug reports anymore !

The problem is not "annoying bug reports", see above.

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