[Okular-devel] [Bug 181290] Landscape pdf prints with wrong orientation when choosing landscape in print dialog

Luca Tomat luca.tomat at gmail.com
Mon Feb 22 02:07:00 CET 2010


https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181290


Luca Tomat <luca.tomat at gmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #35 from Luca Tomat <luca tomat gmail com>  2010-02-22 02:04:50 ---
(In reply to comment #34)
> There's a huge difference between "be entitled to their opinion" and "repeating
> the same concept over and over". As said above, broken or
> less-than-optimally-working printing is overly known by us. Repeating in each
> bug report "printing is bad, please fix it!" will not magically fix problems
> over night.
> We don't need people to repeat that over and over, we need people to help.

Albert said: "if you are not going to give coding time nor money to fix the
issue you should nor really comment because your comments add exactly *zero*
value to the issue". 

I answered to this.

> As I said, we know printing is an important task, yes. If you don't believe so,
> please read my first paragraph above and tell me for whatever else reason I
> would had to fight against kdeprint removal, if I would not think that printing
> is important.
> But, at the same time, you should try to understand a bit that printing is a
> rather complex system, which needs a lot more than one day of hacking. And this
> bug report proves this once more.
> Okular team is very small (barely to the existance), and kind of "recreating" a
> "mini" printing system mapping from the few functionalities of the Qt system to
> our needs is not an easy task.

Okular should not implement its own printing system. It should rely on KDE's
printing system. If this bug is not related to Okular but is a general KDE
issue then i don't see why this bug is assigned to Okular developers. What will
happen? Every program will have to develop it's own printing system? Who took
this decision and why? Why should every KDE program have a different printing
interface or whole printing subsystem?

> This is an huge false misconception: if a guy is interested in coding desktop
> effects, most probably he won't do printing stuff.
> Just like I chose Okular, I would not develop an email client nor a window
> manager.
> So, don't think that more people working on some aspects of the desktop
> environment means less people for other areas; they are unrelated.

What i see, as a KDE user from a long time now, is that for some unknown reason
all of a sudden KDE developers have abandoned a desktop environment that _did_
work and replaced it with a different desktop enviromnent that is missing
important features and gives priority to absolutely useless aspects (such as
graphical effects). I perfectly understand that Okular is not the problem here
and i perfectly understand that it is a pain to have users blame you for a
problem that is a general KDE problem, but it is not acceptable to say to the
users "if you don't pay or don't give code-time then your contribute is zero
and so you should not comment". This kind of behaviour is what i criticized.

Besides, if this is not an Okular problem but is a general KDE problem (the
missing printing subsystem) then, IMO, this bug should be reassigned to
KDE-CORE or the like.

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