From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 14:08:49 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 15:08:49 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Size of preview and closing of preview window.
In-Reply-To: <200402290018.04726.mikmach@wp.pl>
References: <200402290018.04726.mikmach@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <lw65dnuyry.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Mikolaj Machowski <mikmach at wp.pl> writes:

| Hello,
| 
| (CVS-HEAD)
| 
| Size of previews:
| 	For storing images from digital camera or scans scaling previews to
| 	256 pixels has sense but with its database backend Kimdaba is an
| 	ideal tool to store elements eg. for web development (web, arrow,
| 	left, b&w) and here scaling those tiny elements (20x20 pixels) up to
| 	256 is a nonsense.  Please make preview size option "up to 256
| 	pixels" - if original image is smaller than 256 pixels show it in
| 	its natural size, if bigger rescale it to 256 pixels.
If you are talking about the viewer, then it is on my todo list.
On my todo list.

| Closing of preview window:
| 	Preview window doesn't react on KDE standard Ctrl+W. Also helpful
| 	here would be <Esc> like in KMail's message viewers and other help
| 	dialogs in KDE. Q is nice but not standard in this DE.
OK

| Image properties:
| 	How I can see image properties like size?
you can't

| Show Category Editor:
| 	Choice is:
| 	Set Close
| 
| 	Shouldn't it be rather more common:
| 	Apply Cancel ?
nope, you can keep it open and set for many images.

| Thumbnail in main window quality:
| 	How Kimdaba creates thumbnails for main window? They have lower
| 	quality than image previews in Konqueror which is rather strange.
Thanks for telling me, I'm really bad at seeing such things.
Now I'm using a better scaling algorithm from Qt.

| Size of thumbnails in main window:
| 	Please make it like icons in Konq... Also file-tooltips would be
| 	great.
The size is configurable, I'm not sure what you want more.

| Import with keyword:
| 	This is the feature I miss much (or cannot find it). I would like to
| 	point folder and order: import all image files (*.png, *.gif, *.tiff
| 	- standard KFileDialog is all you need) with keywords: xxxx, yyyy.
| 	'OK' trick is nice but IMO slightly immature.
I'm afraid I don't understand the above.

| Themes:
| 	In page template navigation bar is:
|     <td align="center" class="navbar">&lt; **PREV** | **INDEX** | **NEXT** 
| &gt;</td>
| 
| 	It produces something like:
| 	<td align="center" class="navbar">&lt; <a
| 	href="image1-fullsize.html">prev</a> | <a
| 	href="index-fullsize.html">index</a> | <a
| 	href="image3-fullsize.html">next</a> &gt;</td>
| 
| 	But what if I want to create my own theme with images instead of
| 	text-nav? I know, I can run sed/perl after that but it isn't very
| 	user-friendly. 
| 
| 	This thing is hardcoded into htmlexportdialog.cpp:
| 		link = QString::fromLatin1( "<a href=\"%1\">prev</a>" ).arg(
| 		namePage( width, height, prevInfo->fileName() ) );
| 
| 	The only solution I see is to create themes classes: text nav or
| 	image nav and after checking in .themes file class use 
| 		link = QString::fromLatin1( "<a href=\"%1\"><img
| 			href=\"prev.png\"></a>" ).arg( namePage( width, height,
| 			prevInfo->fileName() ) );

I have little to none motivation on fighting the HTML export anymore, so
please talk to teemu.rytilahti at kde-fi.org who have already worked a bit on
that code.

| Kimdaba is great thing but it needs some polish. Newbie without strong
| motivation to use it will have hard time.
*sigh* you ask for additions and expect polishing.
It is indeed not easy to make everyone happy ;-)

Cheers
Jesper.


From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 14:12:38 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 15:12:38 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Size of preview and closing of preview window.
In-Reply-To: <200402282136.27875.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200402282136.27875.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <lw1xobuyll.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Rafael Beccar <rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar> writes:

| El Sáb 28 Feb 2004 20:18, Mikolaj Machowski escribió:
| >...
| > Count?:
| > 	In main window are two columns
| > 	Category           Count.
| > 	Keywords           4 images
| > 	Locations          1 image
| > 	Persons            6 images
| >
| > 	Two problems:
| > 		a) In Keywords are defined 4 keywords with 150 images in total,
| > 		this is misleading.
| 
| Yes, I agree with Mikolaj in the point 'a' but I have always forgotten to
| report it. I think the word "images" should be changed for the word "items"
| or something similar.
Good suggestion.
thanks.


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Tue Mar  2 17:13:42 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:13:42 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Redefining A & None search
Message-ID: <200403021413.42545.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

Hi Jesper,

See if you like the following idea.

if you make the the following persons search:

A & None

The result is always going to be empty and useless. So, this kind of search 
could be redefined making it useful in this way:

If you performed an "A & None" search, it would return all the pictures where 
A and only A is present (nobody else there).

Then, "A & None", would have the same effect than A &! B &! C ... &! Z 

Or "A & B & None", would be the same as A & B &! C ... &! Z

NOTE: Sorry if I was too repetitive but I wanted to be as much descriptive as 
possible.

Greetings,
Rafael


From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 17:21:19 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 18:21:19 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Redefining A & None search
In-Reply-To: <200403021413.42545.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403021413.42545.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <lwfzcrtbao.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Rafael Beccar <rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar> writes:

| Hi Jesper,
| 
| See if you like the following idea.
| 
| if you make the the following persons search:
| 
| A & None
| 
| The result is always going to be empty and useless. So, this kind of search 
| could be redefined making it useful in this way:
| 
| If you performed an "A & None" search, it would return all the pictures where 
| A and only A is present (nobody else there).
| 
| Then, "A & None", would have the same effect than A &! B &! C ... &! Z 
| 
| Or "A & B & None", would be the same as A & B &! C ... &! Z
| 
| NOTE: Sorry if I was too repetitive but I wanted to be as much descriptive as 
| possible.
That sounds like a very good idea.
I'll implement this as soon as I get some KimDaBa time, and have tried out
the patches send me.

CHeers
Jesper.


From mailinglists at xgm.de  Tue Mar  2 17:50:25 2004
From: mailinglists at xgm.de (Florian Lindner)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:50:25 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] A (minor) bug and a wish
Message-ID: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>

Hello,
when I start kimdaba and exit is immediately it always asks me, if I want to 
save changes, although there no changes.
And one wish: (which I've already mentioned, and you seemed to be ok with 
that):
Select the image by the path they are saved:

Locations               Subfolder 1 / Subfolder 2
Persons                             ^
Keywords                            | 
Path      -> Folder 1 / Folder 2 / Folder 3
Date                                
...

I hope you get what I mean...

Thx,
Florian


From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 17:54:16 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 18:54:16 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] A (minor) bug and a wish
In-Reply-To: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>
References: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>
Message-ID: <lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Florian Lindner <mailinglists at xgm.de> writes:

| Hello,
| when I start kimdaba and exit is immediately it always asks me, if I want to 
| save changes, although there no changes.
OK, I'll look into that thanks.

| And one wish: (which I've already mentioned, and you seemed to be ok with 
| that):
| Select the image by the path they are saved:
| 
| Locations               Subfolder 1 / Subfolder 2
| Persons                             ^
| Keywords                            | 
| Path      -> Folder 1 / Folder 2 / Folder 3
| Date                                
| ...
| 
| I hope you get what I mean...
Erhh no.


From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 17:57:08 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 18:57:08 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] A (minor) bug and a wish
In-Reply-To: <lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>
	<lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <lw4qt7t9mz.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen) writes:

| Florian Lindner <mailinglists at xgm.de> writes:
| 
| | Hello,
| | when I start kimdaba and exit is immediately it always asks me, if I want to 
| | save changes, although there no changes.
| OK, I'll look into that thanks.
Doesn't happen here.
Did it find any new images, in that case, it does of course need to save
them.


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Tue Mar  2 17:57:38 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:57:38 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Redefining A & None search
In-Reply-To: <lwfzcrtbao.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200403021413.42545.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <lwfzcrtbao.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403021457.38126.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

El Mar 02 Mar 2004 14:21, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> That sounds like a very good idea.
> I'll implement this as soon as I get some KimDaBa time, and have tried out
> the patches send me.

I think you are taking about the patches that were sent to the list some days 
ago. But I didn't send them, I think some guy from Germany did it (sorry I 
don't remember his name but it could be Reimar Imhof ?).

Greetings,
Rafael


From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 17:59:36 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 18:59:36 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Redefining A & None search
In-Reply-To: <200403021457.38126.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403021413.42545.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
	<lwfzcrtbao.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
	<200403021457.38126.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <lwznazruyf.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Rafael Beccar <rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar> writes:

| El Mar 02 Mar 2004 14:21, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| > That sounds like a very good idea.
| > I'll implement this as soon as I get some KimDaBa time, and have tried out
| > the patches send me.
| 
| I think you are taking about the patches that were sent to the list some days 
| ago. But I didn't send them, I think some guy from Germany did it (sorry I 
| don't remember his name but it could be Reimar Imhof ?).
Well I was talking in general. First thing first. First patches then
improving searching ;-)


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Tue Mar  2 18:04:32 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:04:32 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Redefining A & None search
In-Reply-To: <lwznazruyf.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200403021413.42545.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403021457.38126.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <lwznazruyf.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403021504.32257.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

El Mar 02 Mar 2004 14:59, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> Rafael Beccar <rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar> writes:
> | El Mar 02 Mar 2004 14:21, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> | > That sounds like a very good idea.
> | > I'll implement this as soon as I get some KimDaBa time, and have tried
> | > out the patches send me.
> |
> | I think you are taking about the patches that were sent to the list some
> | days ago. But I didn't send them, I think some guy from Germany did it
> | (sorry I don't remember his name but it could be Reimar Imhof ?).
>
> Well I was talking in general. First thing first. First patches then
> improving searching ;-)

Oh, I see ...
Sorry ;-)


From mailinglists at xgm.de  Tue Mar  2 19:14:28 2004
From: mailinglists at xgm.de (Florian Lindner)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:14:28 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] A (minor) bug and a wish
In-Reply-To: <lw4qt7t9mz.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>
	<lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk> <lw4qt7t9mz.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403022014.28184.mailinglists@xgm.de>

Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 18:57 schrieb Jesper K. Pedersen:
> blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen) writes:
> | Florian Lindner <mailinglists at xgm.de> writes:
> | | Hello,
> | | when I start kimdaba and exit is immediately it always asks me, if I
> | | want to save changes, although there no changes.
> |
> | OK, I'll look into that thanks.
>
> Doesn't happen here.
> Did it find any new images, in that case, it does of course need to save
> them.

No, no new images. Don't know why it happens...


From mailinglists at xgm.de  Tue Mar  2 19:20:10 2004
From: mailinglists at xgm.de (Florian Lindner)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:20:10 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] A (minor) bug and a wish
In-Reply-To: <lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>
	<lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403022020.10120.mailinglists@xgm.de>

Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 18:54 schrieb Jesper K. Pedersen:
> Florian Lindner <mailinglists at xgm.de> writes:
> | Hello,
> | when I start kimdaba and exit is immediately it always asks me, if I want
> | to save changes, although there no changes.
>
> OK, I'll look into that thanks.
>
> | And one wish: (which I've already mentioned, and you seemed to be ok with
> | that):
> | Select the image by the path they are saved:
> |
> | Locations               Subfolder 1 / Subfolder 2
> | Persons                             ^
> | Keywords                            |
> | Path      -> Folder 1 / Folder 2 / Folder 3
> | Date
> | ...
> |
> | I hope you get what I mean...

Ok, right now I can create subsets of the pictures by selecting a location, a 
person and so on. I would like to have another criteria: The path of a 
picture.

If there are pictures in (relative to the kimdaba picture root folder)

/Vacations/Spain/Madrid-June-2003/

So I can click of Path, then on Vacation, on Spain, on Madrid-June-2003. Then 
I get all pictures in this folder....

Is it clearer now?

Bye,
Florian


From blackie at blackie.dk  Tue Mar  2 19:22:09 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:22:09 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] A (minor) bug and a wish
In-Reply-To: <200403022020.10120.mailinglists@xgm.de>
References: <200403021850.25902.mailinglists@xgm.de>
	<lw8yijt9rr.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
	<200403022020.10120.mailinglists@xgm.de>
Message-ID: <lwhdx7rr4u.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Florian Lindner <mailinglists at xgm.de> writes:

| Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 18:54 schrieb Jesper K. Pedersen:
| > Florian Lindner <mailinglists at xgm.de> writes:
| > | Hello,
| > | when I start kimdaba and exit is immediately it always asks me, if I want
| > | to save changes, although there no changes.
| >
| > OK, I'll look into that thanks.
| >
| > | And one wish: (which I've already mentioned, and you seemed to be ok with
| > | that):
| > | Select the image by the path they are saved:
| > |
| > | Locations               Subfolder 1 / Subfolder 2
| > | Persons                             ^
| > | Keywords                            |
| > | Path      -> Folder 1 / Folder 2 / Folder 3
| > | Date
| > | ...
| > |
| > | I hope you get what I mean...
| 
| Ok, right now I can create subsets of the pictures by selecting a location, a 
| person and so on. I would like to have another criteria: The path of a 
| picture.
| 
| If there are pictures in (relative to the kimdaba picture root folder)
| 
| /Vacations/Spain/Madrid-June-2003/
| 
| So I can click of Path, then on Vacation, on Spain, on Madrid-June-2003. Then 
| I get all pictures in this folder....
| 
| Is it clearer now?
Sure.

Its on the TODO already.


From mikmach at wp.pl  Tue Mar  2 20:35:05 2004
From: mikmach at wp.pl (Mikolaj Machowski)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:35:05 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Size of preview and closing of preview window.
In-Reply-To: <lw65dnuyry.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200402290018.04726.mikmach@wp.pl>
	<lw65dnuyry.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403022135.05651.mikmach@wp.pl>

Dnia Tuesday 02 of March 2004 15:08, Jesper K. Pedersen napisał:
> | Thumbnail in main window quality:
> | 	How Kimdaba creates thumbnails for main window? They have lower
> | 	quality than image previews in Konqueror which is rather strange.
>
> Thanks for telling me, I'm really bad at seeing such things.
> Now I'm using a better scaling algorithm from Qt.
>

Also thumbnails in file-tooltips has crappy quality.

> | Size of thumbnails in main window:
> | 	Please make it like icons in Konq... Also file-tooltips would be
> | 	great.
>
> The size is configurable, I'm not sure what you want more.
>
Buttons to zoom in. Having small thumbnails has sense when there is 100
images at once. But when number of images is reduced to eg. 5 having
them very small has no sense. It would be sensible to make them
larger/smaller on demand, not through configuration settings.

> | Import with keyword:
> | 	This is the feature I miss much (or cannot find it). I would like to
> | 	point folder and order: import all image files (*.png, *.gif, *.tiff
> | 	- standard KFileDialog is all you need) with keywords: xxxx, yyyy.
> | 	'OK' trick is nice but IMO slightly immature.
>
> I'm afraid I don't understand the above.

OK. Importing images to Kimdaba isn't easy. One day before I send OP,
tried to import few images. Copied them to ~/Images and tried to find
them through 'Date'. Hopeless. Much easier would be:
File->Import...
KFileDialog, choose images, after hitting OK, appears new dialog. Set
keywords for this import. Now I can relatively easy find these images
later or immediately 'describe' them.

Also, how I can export images? Call external browser? Hmm.

And one more thing. Showimg should be excluded from external viewers. It
tries to show thumbnails of whole base directory. I have only 300 images
but someone with few thousands...

> I have little to none motivation on fighting the HTML export anymore, so
> please talk to teemu.rytilahti at kde-fi.org who have already worked a bit
> on that code.

OK.

m.
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From blackie at kde.org  Tue Mar  2 20:43:20 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 21:43:20 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Size of preview and closing of preview window.
In-Reply-To: <200403022135.05651.mikmach@wp.pl>
References: <200402290018.04726.mikmach@wp.pl>
	<200403022135.05651.mikmach@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <lw8yijrndj.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Mikolaj Machowski <mikmach at wp.pl> writes:

| Dnia Tuesday 02 of March 2004 15:08, Jesper K. Pedersen napisał:
| > | Thumbnail in main window quality:
| > | 	How Kimdaba creates thumbnails for main window? They have lower
| > | 	quality than image previews in Konqueror which is rather strange.
| >
| > Thanks for telling me, I'm really bad at seeing such things.
| > Now I'm using a better scaling algorithm from Qt.
| >
| 
| Also thumbnails in file-tooltips has crappy quality.
that should also have been fixed.

| 
| > | Size of thumbnails in main window:
| > | 	Please make it like icons in Konq... Also file-tooltips would be
| > | 	great.
| >
| > The size is configurable, I'm not sure what you want more.
| >
| Buttons to zoom in. Having small thumbnails has sense when there is 100
| images at once. But when number of images is reduced to eg. 5 having
| them very small has no sense. It would be sensible to make them
| larger/smaller on demand, not through configuration settings.
hmmm, I'll think about it.

| > | Import with keyword:
| > | 	This is the feature I miss much (or cannot find it). I would like to
| > | 	point folder and order: import all image files (*.png, *.gif, *.tiff
| > | 	- standard KFileDialog is all you need) with keywords: xxxx, yyyy.
| > | 	'OK' trick is nice but IMO slightly immature.
| >
| > I'm afraid I don't understand the above.
| 
| OK. Importing images to Kimdaba isn't easy. One day before I send OP,
| tried to import few images. Copied them to ~/Images and tried to find
| them through 'Date'. Hopeless. Much easier would be:
| File->Import...
| KFileDialog, choose images, after hitting OK, appears new dialog. Set
| keywords for this import. Now I can relatively easy find these images
| later or immediately 'describe' them.
I think you miss the point of how KimDaBa stored images, you can have sub
folders etc. Only requirement is that all images have a common root.
That on the other hand is the reason why there is no import. 
KimDaBa finds new images itself.

| Also, how I can export images? Call external browser? Hmm.
Well you can generate HTML, but copy a selection out of KimDaBa is
currently not possible, with the upcomming plugin structure I anticipate
that it will be possible in the future.


From mikmach at wp.pl  Wed Mar  3 11:26:32 2004
From: mikmach at wp.pl (Mikolaj Machowski)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:26:32 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Size of preview and closing of preview window.
In-Reply-To: <lw8yijrndj.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
References: <200402290018.04726.mikmach@wp.pl>
	<200403022135.05651.mikmach@wp.pl> <lw8yijrndj.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403031226.33299.mikmach@wp.pl>

Dnia Tuesday 02 of March 2004 21:43, Jesper K. Pedersen napisał:
> | OK. Importing images to Kimdaba isn't easy. One day before I send OP,
> | tried to import few images. Copied them to ~/Images and tried to find
> | them through 'Date'. Hopeless. Much easier would be:
> | File->Import...
> | KFileDialog, choose images, after hitting OK, appears new dialog. Set
> | keywords for this import. Now I can relatively easy find these images
> | later or immediately 'describe' them.
>
> I think you miss the point of how KimDaBa stored images, you can have sub
> folders etc. Only requirement is that all images have a common root.
> That on the other hand is the reason why there is no import.
> KimDaBa finds new images itself.

OK, but how I can find those images?
At least there would be searching by date/time of import to Kimdaba.

m.

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From boulot.dodo at laposte.net  Sun Mar  7 00:43:05 2004
From: boulot.dodo at laposte.net (Jean-Michel FAYARD)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 00:43:05 +0000
Subject: [KimDaBa] Default layout, no selected images, removing properties,
	member-groups.
Message-ID: <c2dnm5$i09$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello, I have let a computer-illiterate user (my mother) use Kimdaba for 
a  quite long period and have observed her, and while she was able to 
use this software generally well, there is a couple of things that can 
be improved :



*** about the ability to drag off part of the setting-properties dialog 
box : apart that it should be explained in a hint, it is very useful.
But my mother frequently ends up with a messy setting-properties dialog
after having hiding _randomly_ thing1, thing2 and trying to show thing2 
again and dragging thing3. I had no other solution than restarting Kimdaba.
Solution : add << restore default layout >> in the << options >> menu


*** Kimdaba needs to rethink what it should do when no images is selected:

I wrote this complaint earlier :
===
  about the export in html :
     Imagine a typical case : i have photo with my girlfriend, and I want
     to send that album to her. I « search » those photos, then click on
     « view images », then « File > Export to html »
     Currently, kimdaba complains that there is no item selected, and
     seems to export to an album, but this album is empty.
     This is wrong IMHO : in this case like in most case, I just want
     to export all photos which are in the current view.
===

I know understand it was not just about html export. Kimdaba should act 
if no image is selected as if all images were selected :
+ if you want to launch a slideshow, just click on one image, and start
the slideshow with 'S' (my user wasn't able to understand the current 
behaviour). Digikam act like this.
+ when my user wanted to set properties one by one, she just hitted 
Ctrl-1 on one picture, and then didn't understand where were the 
<<previous>> and <<back>> buttons. I had to explain, she must go back,
and select all images.
+ exception : Ctrl-2 should not work on all images. too dangerous
+ not to mention : you just cannot currently apply an action (export to 
html or whatever a future plugin will do) on all images : you can
just apply it on the first 100 images matching the current filter.



*** Removing properties
Problem : my user had to remove some properties on a picture. She just 
removed the ones that she was able to see without moving the scrollbar.
It was not very intuitive that there was other (hidden) selected properties.
Solution : move the properties already set on a images in the top of the 
list (in a way we can still benefit from the Last Recently Typed algorithm)



*** member-groups
they are not as easy as they could be. My user didn't use them.

Jedd wrote a few days earlier :
<<  Member groups are good for some things, but can't guarantee that
  every image will be represented in the parent group.  That is, you
  have to manually ensure that sydney, brisbane, melbourne, hobart,
  are all part of the australia group -- and when you add a new city
  group, you have to remember to add it into the parent group.  With
  small data this is easy, but there's no way to force you do this. >>

I think they are two main problems : 1) you have to remember to group 
items in a group AFTER   2) if you do remember to do it and you have a 
long list of items (I have 144 persons) it is difficult and boring to 
find them all.
An example when it was very boring : I discovered a old picture with all 
pupils of my class in a primary school. I wrote their 25 names to be 
sure to remember them all after, and I had, to close the property 
dialog, open <<Configure Kimdaba>>, hit <<member groups>>, choose 
<<locations>> and find thoses 25 names in the big list.

My solution to problems 1) and 2) : in the setting properties dialog 
box, we could have for each category an entry box labelled <<add 
selected items in group...>>. (the group is created if needed)

With this solution, if I have a picture of 10 members of the family 
Addams and two other persons, it's OK : I type the names of the members 
of the family Addams, add selected item in group <<Family Addams>> and 
then type the name of the two other persons.



-- 
Puisque le débat sur l'intelligence est posé dans notre pays, il existe 
aussi une intelligence de la main et elle n'a pas de complexe à avoir 
cette intelligence de la main, parce que elle, elle communique 
directement avec le coeur
	Jean-Pierre Raffarin


From Reimar.Imhof at netCologne.de  Sun Mar  7 18:42:52 2004
From: Reimar.Imhof at netCologne.de (Reimar Imhof)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:42:52 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] small patch to improve picture quality
Message-ID: <200403071803.26813.Reimar.Imhof@netCologne.de>

Hello Jesper, hello people,

I had a look at how KimDaBa does scale images because I wasn't happy with the 
quality of some thumbnails, tool tips, the html output and the slide show.
I've seen, it uses scale in some places and smoothScale Qt-function in other 
places.

My change is simple but I like it:
I found three occurrences of "scale". I changed these to smoothScale. Now I 
get much better thumbnails and tool tips (ctrl t); the show picture 
(invoked by letter i) function (including slide show) now shows nice 
picture quality, and the html output looks great.
To get the new thumb nails, tool tips and html images just remove the 
existing thumb nails directory to make KimDaBa rebuild these with the 
smoothScale function.

Jesper, could you please integrate my changes into your next snapshot?!

Thanks a lot.

Reimar

PS.: Like I did with my sorting changes, I supply a diff file and the two 
modified files (all based on KimDaBa version 1.1).




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From blackie at kde.org  Sun Mar  7 18:50:29 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: 07 Mar 2004 19:50:29 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Re: small patch to improve picture quality
In-Reply-To: <200403071803.26813.Reimar.Imhof@netCologne.de>
References: <200403071803.26813.Reimar.Imhof@netCologne.de>
Message-ID: <lw1xo4xzii.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>

Hi Reimar.
Thanks for your patch.
I did actually change this myself a week ago or so.

Cheers
Jesper.

PS: Regarding the sorting change, I had a short look at it, and like what I saw, 
and will apply it as soon as I get time to fix the few remaining issues you
wrote about.

Reimar Imhof <Reimar.Imhof at netCologne.de> writes:

| Hello Jesper, hello people,
| 
| I had a look at how KimDaBa does scale images because I wasn't happy with the 
| quality of some thumbnails, tool tips, the html output and the slide show.
| I've seen, it uses scale in some places and smoothScale Qt-function in other 
| places.
| 
| My change is simple but I like it:
| I found three occurrences of "scale". I changed these to smoothScale. Now I 
| get much better thumbnails and tool tips (ctrl t); the show picture 
| (invoked by letter i) function (including slide show) now shows nice 
| picture quality, and the html output looks great.
| To get the new thumb nails, tool tips and html images just remove the 
| existing thumb nails directory to make KimDaBa rebuild these with the 
| smoothScale function.
On my todo list for soonish is a rebuild all thumbs, which will automate
this.

| Jesper, could you please integrate my changes into your next snapshot?!
My version is in CVS already, and as soon as I've had a chance to look at
the patches send to me over the last few weeks, I'll make a new snapshoot.

Please hold your patch till then, and beat me with it, if my changes did
work as expected (I'm really lousy at seeing such things :-o
I do expect it to work fine tho.

| Thanks a lot.
| 
| Reimar
| 
| PS.: Like I did with my sorting changes, I supply a diff file and the two 
| modified files (all based on KimDaBa version 1.1).
I prefer it that way, so please continue doing that.
The patch is by far the easiest if it work, but a lot of trouble if it
doesn't, in which case the files with the changes are nice to have.

Cheers
Jesper


From havoc at harrisdev.com  Wed Mar 10 21:12:18 2004
From: havoc at harrisdev.com (Jody Harris)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:12:18 -0700
Subject: [KimDaBa] external programs
Message-ID: <404F84B2.7060503@harrisdev.com>

Jesper,

I like the ability to invoke external programs in 1.1, but I would like:
  - to be able to send a group of selected photos to an external program
  - to be able to send the selected photos to the program of my choice

I had suggested at one time the possibility of just dumping a list of 
the images with full paths to a text file, or may be even the clipboard. 
  That would allow me to quickly create a tarball or zip, or run the 
selected photos through an external filter and dump them to the location 
of my choosing.

Jody
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From blackie at blackie.dk  Wed Mar 10 21:58:46 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:58:46 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa 1.1 is released
In-Reply-To: <200402231746.21797.Reimar.Imhof@netCologne.de>
References: <lw3c9gw10v.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
	<lwwu6mxg17.fsf@catatonia.blackie.dk>
	<200402231746.21797.Reimar.Imhof@netCologne.de>
Message-ID: <200403102258.46876.blackie@blackie.dk>

First of all, let me point out that the patch is really nice, I only have a 
few minor things I'd like you to fix (If you prefer I can do it myself).

> to make "thinking" a little easier:
>
> I've been working on alphabetic sorting. I've added two menu entries to the
> context menu in the properties/search dialog. There you can say sort by
> usage or sort by alphabet.
> If you try to open the context menu without pointing to an entry, you now
> get a smaller context menu just with the sorting entries.
I'd rather have the item disabled, than not showing up.
Not seeing them, might make users wonder where it was he found them, while 
having them disabled, makes him realize that they are not available.

> The sort propertie is not put to the index.xml file yet. The point is, I'd
> like to have it with the window config and I just didn't know how to do it.
I wonder if it really should be per category
Did you have a design idea behind that?
isn't that just over configurability?

If not, I'd rather see it just one over all option.
Someone suggested two icons next to the listbox, which might be a good idea.
one looking like a letter (for alphabetically), and one looking like a date 
book (for usage).
Maybe you could include that too.

Kind Regards
Jesper.

-- 
Having trouble finding a given image in your collection containing
thousands of images?

http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.


From boulot.dodo at laposte.net  Thu Mar 11 05:12:01 2004
From: boulot.dodo at laposte.net (Jean-Michel FAYARD)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:12:01 +0000
Subject: [KimDaBa] 
	Re: Default layout, no selected images, removing properties,
	member-groups.
In-Reply-To: <c2dnm5$i09$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c2dnm5$i09$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c2oou3$iet$1@sea.gmane.org>

Just one precision, and one thing I forget.

Jean-Michel FAYARD a écrit :
> *** member-groups
> they are not as easy as they could be. My user didn't use them.
> 
> [...]
> 
> My solution to problems 1) and 2) : in the setting properties dialog 
> box, we could have for each category an entry box labelled <<add 
> selected items in group...>>. (the group is created if needed)
> 
> With this solution, if I have a picture of 10 members of the family 
> Addams and two other persons, it's OK : I type the names of the members 
> of the family Addams, add selected item in group <<Family Addams>> and 
> then type the name of the two other persons.

I'm not asking from an entry box in the bottom of the listbox.
I think of two menu entries to the context menu of each listbox in the 
properties dialog  ("Add this item in group..." and "Add selected 
item(s) in group...")



*** ability to delete in the viewer and in the properties dialog ***
I take often poor pictures with my digital camera. When they are 
abviously bad, I delete them in the thumbnails view, but for the others 
the first time I detect they are bad is in the properties dialog or 
during a slideshow.
If that's not too much work, it would be useful that the <delete> key 
works here too.


From blackie at blackie.dk  Thu Mar 11 07:58:25 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:58:25 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] external programs
In-Reply-To: <404F84B2.7060503@harrisdev.com>
References: <404F84B2.7060503@harrisdev.com>
Message-ID: <200403110858.25816.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Wednesday 10 March 2004 22:12, Jody Harris wrote:
> Jesper,
>
> I like the ability to invoke external programs in 1.1, but I would like:
>   - to be able to send a group of selected photos to an external program
>   - to be able to send the selected photos to the program of my choice
>
> I had suggested at one time the possibility of just dumping a list of
> the images with full paths to a text file, or may be even the clipboard.
>   That would allow me to quickly create a tarball or zip, or run the
> selected photos through an external filter and dump them to the location
> of my choosing.
I'm sure that will come with the plugin structure we are working on
(All digikam plugins will hopefully work with kimdaba in a future versions)

Notes: Previously I wrote KimDaBa not kimdaba. It is still called KimDaBa, but 
unfortunately it is not written automatically for me anymore, as I changed 
mailclient from one built in to Emacs (which could do the replacement of 
kimdaba with KimDaBa for me), to KMail, which I haven't figured out to get to 
do that ;-)

-- 
Having trouble finding a given image in your collection containing
thousands of images?

http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.


From blackie at kde.org  Thu Mar 11 08:24:21 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:24:21 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa]  Re: Default layout, no selected images, removing
	properties, member-groups.
In-Reply-To: <c2oou3$iet$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c2dnm5$i09$1@sea.gmane.org> <c2oou3$iet$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200403110924.21991.blackie@kde.org>

On Thursday 11 March 2004 06:12, Jean-Michel FAYARD wrote:
> Just one precision, and one thing I forget.
>
> Jean-Michel FAYARD a écrit :
> > *** member-groups
> > they are not as easy as they could be. My user didn't use them.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > My solution to problems 1) and 2) : in the setting properties dialog
> > box, we could have for each category an entry box labelled <<add
> > selected items in group...>>. (the group is created if needed)
> >
> > With this solution, if I have a picture of 10 members of the family
> > Addams and two other persons, it's OK : I type the names of the members
> > of the family Addams, add selected item in group <<Family Addams>> and
> > then type the name of the two other persons.
>
> I'm not asking from an entry box in the bottom of the listbox.
> I think of two menu entries to the context menu of each listbox in the
> properties dialog  ("Add this item in group..." and "Add selected
> item(s) in group...")
>
>
>
> *** ability to delete in the viewer and in the properties dialog ***
> I take often poor pictures with my digital camera. When they are
> abviously bad, I delete them in the thumbnails view, but for the others
> the first time I detect they are bad is in the properties dialog or
> during a slideshow.
> If that's not too much work, it would be useful that the <delete> key
> works here too.
Thanks for your input.
I plan to take week 16 off for KimDaBa work, and I anticipate to look at all 
the suggestions regarding the configuration dialog and try an get it better.

The item regarding deleting images is one I for sure will include, it has 
annoyed me quite a bit too ;-)

-- 
Having trouble finding a given image in your collection containing
thousands of images?

http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.


From daniberger at gmx.ch  Thu Mar 11 09:19:26 2004
From: daniberger at gmx.ch (Daniel Berger)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:19:26 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
Message-ID: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch>

Hello List

I tried to compile KimDaBa on cygwin, but it didn't worked.

I'm thinking to buy an Apple Power- or iBook, and I saw on different 
Newssites that some guys managed to get Konqueror and several other KDE 
Apps on OSX natively working. Would this be possible with KimDaBa too?

best regards
Dani


From blackie at blackie.dk  Thu Mar 11 09:31:10 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:31:10 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:19, Daniel Berger wrote:
> Hello List
>
> I tried to compile KimDaBa on cygwin, but it didn't worked.
>
> I'm thinking to buy an Apple Power- or iBook, and I saw on different
> Newssites that some guys managed to get Konqueror and several other KDE
> Apps on OSX natively working. Would this be possible with KimDaBa too?
I'm sure this must be possible, I haven't tried it yet though.

I'd be very interesting in hearing about it if you try it, and I'd be very 
happy to help with any modifications needed to KimDaBa.

If you dont have time to do it yourself, but do have pointers to what to do, 
please let me know.

Cheers
Jesper.

-- 
Having trouble finding a given image in your collection containing
thousands of images?

http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.


From daniberger at gmx.ch  Thu Mar 11 10:03:47 2004
From: daniberger at gmx.ch (Daniel Berger)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:03:47 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch> <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <40503983.8030901@gmx.ch>

Jesper K. Pedersen wrote:

>On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:19, Daniel Berger wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello List
>>
>>I tried to compile KimDaBa on cygwin, but it didn't worked.
>>
>>I'm thinking to buy an Apple Power- or iBook, and I saw on different
>>Newssites that some guys managed to get Konqueror and several other KDE
>>Apps on OSX natively working. Would this be possible with KimDaBa too?
>>    
>>
>I'm sure this must be possible, I haven't tried it yet though.
>
>I'd be very interesting in hearing about it if you try it, and I'd be very 
>happy to help with any modifications needed to KimDaBa.
>
>If you dont have time to do it yourself, but do have pointers to what to do, 
>please let me know.
>  
>
I just gave KimDaBa 1.1 on cygwin (Windows 2000) a second try.

bash-2.05b$ uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-5.0 dani-pc 1.5.6(0.108/3/2) 2004-01-19 00:43 i686 unknown 
unknown Cygwin

bash-2.05b$ ./configure
[...]
checking for mcopidl... not found
configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found!
Please check whether you installed aRts correctly or use
--without-arts to compile without aRts support (this will remove 
functionality).

bash-2.05b$ ./configure --without-arts
configure: error: invalid package name: arts

Hmm. what now?


From blackie at blackie.dk  Thu Mar 11 10:08:09 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:08:09 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <40503983.8030901@gmx.ch>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch> <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<40503983.8030901@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <200403111108.09262.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Thursday 11 March 2004 11:03, Daniel Berger wrote:
> Jesper K. Pedersen wrote:
> >On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:19, Daniel Berger wrote:
> >>Hello List
> >>
> >>I tried to compile KimDaBa on cygwin, but it didn't worked.
> >>
> >>I'm thinking to buy an Apple Power- or iBook, and I saw on different
> >>Newssites that some guys managed to get Konqueror and several other KDE
> >>Apps on OSX natively working. Would this be possible with KimDaBa too?
> >
> >I'm sure this must be possible, I haven't tried it yet though.
> >
> >I'd be very interesting in hearing about it if you try it, and I'd be very
> >happy to help with any modifications needed to KimDaBa.
> >
> >If you dont have time to do it yourself, but do have pointers to what to
> > do, please let me know.
>
> I just gave KimDaBa 1.1 on cygwin (Windows 2000) a second try.
>
> bash-2.05b$ uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-5.0 dani-pc 1.5.6(0.108/3/2) 2004-01-19 00:43 i686 unknown
> unknown Cygwin
>
> bash-2.05b$ ./configure
> [...]
> checking for mcopidl... not found
> configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found!
> Please check whether you installed aRts correctly or use
> --without-arts to compile without aRts support (this will remove
> functionality).
>
> bash-2.05b$ ./configure --without-arts
> configure: error: invalid package name: arts
>
> Hmm. what now?
I know nothing about cygwin, I'm afraid.
Anyone else?

>
> _______________________________________________
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> KimDaBa at klaralvdalens-datakonsult.se
> http://sulaco.hrhansen.dk/mailman/listinfo/kimdaba

-- 
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thousands of images?

http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.


From boulot.dodo at laposte.net  Thu Mar 11 13:04:21 2004
From: boulot.dodo at laposte.net (Jean-Michel FAYARD)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:04:21 +0000
Subject: [KimDaBa] Re: KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch> <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <405063D5.3040207@laposte.net>

Jesper K. Pedersen a écrit :
> On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:19, Daniel Berger wrote:
> 
>>Hello List
>>
>>I tried to compile KimDaBa on cygwin, but it didn't worked.
>>
>>I'm thinking to buy an Apple Power- or iBook, and I saw on different
>>Newssites that some guys managed to get Konqueror and several other KDE
>>Apps on OSX natively working. Would this be possible with KimDaBa too?
> 
> I'm sure this must be possible, I haven't tried it yet though.
> 
> I'd be very interesting in hearing about it if you try it, and I'd be very 
> happy to help with any modifications needed to KimDaBa.
> 
> If you dont have time to do it yourself, but do have pointers to what to do, 
> please let me know.

2 options :
1) Use X11
This way, you can use Fink to download and install the software.
Quite a lot of kde apps seems to work
http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/search.php?s=kde

2) Trolltech has released a GPL version of QT/mac
Google has hellped me find this :
http://ranger.befunk.com/phpwiki/
http://ranger.befunk.com/phpwiki/index.php/Building%20KDE%20Yourself


From daniberger at gmx.ch  Mon Mar 15 13:13:57 2004
From: daniberger at gmx.ch (Daniel Berger)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:13:57 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <200403111108.09262.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch> <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<40503983.8030901@gmx.ch> <200403111108.09262.blackie@blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <4055AC15.8000604@gmx.ch>

Jesper K. Pedersen wrote:

>On Thursday 11 March 2004 11:03, Daniel Berger wrote:
>  
>
>>Jesper K. Pedersen wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:19, Daniel Berger wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hello List
>>>>
>>>>I tried to compile KimDaBa on cygwin, but it didn't worked.
>>>>
>>>>I'm thinking to buy an Apple Power- or iBook, and I saw on different
>>>>Newssites that some guys managed to get Konqueror and several other KDE
>>>>Apps on OSX natively working. Would this be possible with KimDaBa too?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I'm sure this must be possible, I haven't tried it yet though.
>>>
>>>I'd be very interesting in hearing about it if you try it, and I'd be very
>>>happy to help with any modifications needed to KimDaBa.
>>>
>>>If you dont have time to do it yourself, but do have pointers to what to
>>>do, please let me know.
>>>      
>>>
>>I just gave KimDaBa 1.1 on cygwin (Windows 2000) a second try.
>>
>>bash-2.05b$ uname -a
>>CYGWIN_NT-5.0 dani-pc 1.5.6(0.108/3/2) 2004-01-19 00:43 i686 unknown
>>unknown Cygwin
>>
>>bash-2.05b$ ./configure
>>[...]
>>checking for mcopidl... not found
>>configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found!
>>Please check whether you installed aRts correctly or use
>>--without-arts to compile without aRts support (this will remove
>>functionality).
>>
>>bash-2.05b$ ./configure --without-arts
>>configure: error: invalid package name: arts
>>
>>Hmm. what now?
>>    
>>
>I know nothing about cygwin, I'm afraid.
>Anyone else?
>  
>

I asked in the forums of kde-cygwin at
https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1040022&forum_id=85789
about the message.

This was the answer, and fixed the configure error, by just returning 
true for the missing functions.
But maybe the mkdtemp is dependant on mcopidl? (see make error below)

ln -s true /bin/mcopidl
ln -s true /bin/artsc-config
./configure

But now I get an error when running make:

ktempdir.cpp: In member function `bool KTempDir::create(const QString&, 
int)':
ktempdir.cpp:77: error: `mkdtemp' undeclared (first use this function)
ktempdir.cpp:77: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only 
once for each function it appears in.)
make[3]: *** [ktempdir.lo] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1/kimdaba/compat'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1/kimdaba'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1'
make: *** [all] Error 2

I think there's a missing 'include' for qt (or where ever mkdtemp is 
defined) in the makefile?
Maybe I've to add a --configure--blabla-dir = /bla/bla.

regards Dani



From daniberger at gmx.ch  Mon Mar 15 14:33:38 2004
From: daniberger at gmx.ch (Daniel Berger)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:33:38 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <4055AC15.8000604@gmx.ch>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch> <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<40503983.8030901@gmx.ch> <200403111108.09262.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<4055AC15.8000604@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <4055BEC2.8020000@gmx.ch>

hello

>
> But now I get an error when running make:
>
> ktempdir.cpp: In member function `bool KTempDir::create(const 
> QString&, int)':
> ktempdir.cpp:77: error: `mkdtemp' undeclared (first use this function)
> ktempdir.cpp:77: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only 
> once for each function it appears in.)
> make[3]: *** [ktempdir.lo] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1/kimdaba/compat'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1/kimdaba'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>
> I think there's a missing 'include' for qt (or where ever mkdtemp is 
> defined) in the makefile?
> Maybe I've to add a --configure--blabla-dir = /bla/bla.
>
> regards Dani


I think I found something:
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdecore/html/classKTempDir.html
says 'since 3.2' and on cygwin I'm running
Qt: 3.2.3
KDE: 3.1.4

But the same works on Linux on SuSE 9.0 (KDE 3.1.x)


From daniberger at gmx.ch  Mon Mar 15 16:17:24 2004
From: daniberger at gmx.ch (Daniel Berger)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:17:24 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa on Cygwin and OSX
In-Reply-To: <4055AC15.8000604@gmx.ch>
References: <40502F1E.1050009@gmx.ch> <200403111031.10189.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<40503983.8030901@gmx.ch> <200403111108.09262.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<4055AC15.8000604@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <4055D714.4030505@gmx.ch>


> I asked in the forums of kde-cygwin at
> https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1040022&forum_id=85789
> about the message.
>
> This was the answer, and fixed the configure error, by just returning 
> true for the missing functions.
> But maybe the mkdtemp is dependant on mcopidl? (see make error below)
>
> ln -s true /bin/mcopidl
> ln -s true /bin/artsc-config
> ./configure
>
> But now I get an error when running make:
>
> ktempdir.cpp: In member function `bool KTempDir::create(const 
> QString&, int)':
> ktempdir.cpp:77: error: `mkdtemp' undeclared (first use this function)
> ktempdir.cpp:77: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only 
> once for each function it appears in.)
> make[3]: *** [ktempdir.lo] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1/kimdaba/compat'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1/kimdaba'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/kimdaba-1.1'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>
> I think there's a missing 'include' for qt (or where ever mkdtemp is 
> defined) in the makefile?

Ok, mkdtemp is defined in the glibc, but currently not in cygwin.
So here is a site with a reorganized mkdtemp() fitted in one file:
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2003-02/msg00019.html

I'll try to include that in ktempdir.cpp

regards
dani



From Reimar.Imhof at netCologne.de  Mon Mar 15 21:47:07 2004
From: Reimar.Imhof at netCologne.de (Reimar Imhof)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:47:07 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Re: RMB for sorting
In-Reply-To: <200403141513.26012.blackie@kde.org>
References: <200403141513.26012.blackie@kde.org>
Message-ID: <200403152247.07889.Reimar.Imhof@netCologne.de>

Hi Jesper,

at the moment I just don't find the time to do something at KimDaBa.
Sorry.

If you find some time to improve what I've done, I'll be happy.

I'll now answer your questions.


Am Sonntag, 14. März 2004 15:13 schrieb Jesper K. Pedersen:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi Reimar, did you ever see this mail?
>
> Cheers
> Jesper
>
I wanted to take some time to answer. Now I try to do it quickly...

> - ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
> Subject: Re: [KimDaBa] KimDaBa 1.1 is released
> Date: Wednesday 10 March 2004 22:58
> From: "Jesper K. Pedersen" <blackie at blackie.dk>
> To: Reimar Imhof <Reimar.Imhof at netCologne.de>
> Cc: kimdaba at klaralvdalens-datakonsult.se
>
> First of all, let me point out that the patch is really nice, I only have a
> few minor things I'd like you to fix (If you prefer I can do it myself).
>
> > to make "thinking" a little easier:
> >
> > I've been working on alphabetic sorting. I've added two menu entries to
> > the context menu in the properties/search dialog. There you can say sort
> > by usage or sort by alphabet.
> > If you try to open the context menu without pointing to an entry, you now
> > get a smaller context menu just with the sorting entries.
>
> I'd rather have the item disabled, than not showing up.
> Not seeing them, might make users wonder where it was he found them, while
> having them disabled, makes him realize that they are not available.
If it fits better into KimDaBa, okay!
>
> > The sort propertie is not put to the index.xml file yet. The point is,
> > I'd like to have it with the window config and I just didn't know how to
> > do it.
>
> I wonder if it really should be per category
> Did you have a design idea behind that?
> isn't that just over configurability?
I think you're right. There is just one simple reason:
I just was happy that I got it the way I've done it: It was the first time I 
was working an a linux/KDE program. So I'm quite happy with it.
Okay, I didn't know how to have the context menu in one list box and inform 
the other listboxes to change as well. For me this over configurable version 
was just the easiest way to implement it!
>
> If not, I'd rather see it just one over all option.
> Someone suggested two icons next to the listbox, which might be a good
> idea. one looking like a letter (for alphabetically), and one looking like
> a date book (for usage).
> Maybe you could include that too.
If I'm right, it was me who wrote about two icons.
It's just the same thing like mentioned above: I was glade to make it run like 
I did it. Thats all!

By for this evening and hoping there is not to much work left for sorting,
Reimar

>
> Kind Regards
> Jesper.
>
> - --
> Having trouble finding a given image in your collection containing
> thousands of images?
>
> http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.
>
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>
> - --
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> thousands of images?
>
> http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.
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From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Sat Mar 20 01:12:22 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:12:22 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
Message-ID: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

Hi Jesper and everybody,

I compiled kimdaba from CVS today without any problem. The thumbnails look 
great now, the browser looks a lot more elegant now with the word categories 
instead of images, and the sorting options are very useful.
However, I have a couple of comments:

- When I want to sort a category (e.g. persons) alphabetically the other 
categories (e.g. locations, keywords) are sorted alphabetically as well. I 
like this, but then we don't need to have sorting buttons in every category. 
I think we might have a toolbar at the top of the dialog with the two sorting 
buttons and some logical buttons ( &  |  ! ).

- Personally, I disagree with the replacement of "none" with "no persons", "no 
keyword", etc, because it makes the label too large and not so elegant in 
some cases. For example: the Spanish translation for "no keyword" has 18 
characters ("sin palabras clave") while the translation of "none" has only 7 
characters ("ninguno"). And it could became longer for extra categories with 
long names. So, I really like better the original kimdaba format that used 
the word "none" for every category.

This is from an old one:
- In the "delete images" dialog the user has two choices: "Delete images from 
disk and database" and "Block from database". The problem is that it is 
possible to choose both options simultaneously. If somebody wants to block an 
image from the database but forget to uncheck  "Delete images from disk and 
database" the images will be erased from disk !

Best Regards,
Rafael


From havoc at harrisdev.com  Sat Mar 20 04:27:13 2004
From: havoc at harrisdev.com (Jody Harris)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:27:13 -0700
Subject: [KimDaBa] Proposal for branch project
Message-ID: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>

Jesper, don't reply to this immediately.  Let it "set on your brain" for 
a week or so, then let me know your thoughts.

It's sounds completely "whacked" on first blanch, but...

KSoDaBa  -- the K Sound Database

So, the kids and I shot a little video of "a monster" attacking a 
village.  15 seconds.  What it needs is sound effects.  So, off to 
Google I go, and I locate several thousand free sound effects.

Problem: I have no way to organize them and track them for when I need them.

Then, it occurs to me, "If I could mangle KimDaBa into a Sound Database, 
I'd be set!"

Just thinking out loud.  Maybe I'll take the principles I've learned 
from KimDaBa and being on this list and write a Sound Database for the 
web.... now there's a thought....

Happy Spring, everyone!

havoc
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From blackie at kde.org  Sat Mar 20 12:10:37 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:10:37 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] poll: Do you use partial dates (Everybody answer please)
Message-ID: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>

Hi.

I'd like to get some input from you all, so I'd be very happy if you all would 
just hit the reply button (and ensure the mail only goes to me - not to the 
list)

In week 16 I've taken the week of to work on KimDaBa, and one thing I'll work 
on is the image configure dialog, for that work I have a bunch of questions:

How Many images do you have in KimDaBa: 
How large a percentage of your images are scanned in: 
In KimDaBa it is possible to specify a partial date, e.g. this picture is from 
1985 (in contract to this images is from 11/7-1985). 
Is this a feature you use: 

Thanks
Jesper.


From mikmach at wp.pl  Sat Mar 20 10:50:46 2004
From: mikmach at wp.pl (Mikolaj Machowski)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:50:46 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Proposal for branch project
In-Reply-To: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
References: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
Message-ID: <200403201150.46892.mikmach@wp.pl>

Dnia sob 20. marca 2004 05:27, Jody Harris napisał:
>
> KSoDaBa  -- the K Sound Database
>
> So, the kids and I shot a little video of "a monster" attacking a
> village.  15 seconds.  What it needs is sound effects.  So, off to
> Google I go, and I locate several thousand free sound effects.
>
> Problem: I have no way to organize them and track them for when I need
> them.

> Just thinking out loud.  Maybe I'll take the principles I've learned
> from KimDaBa and being on this list and write a Sound Database for the
> web.... now there's a thought....

Really interesting concept. What changes would require changing media 
from images to sounds?

Also what extensions would be possible and useful in future? Video 
clips, txt files. Isn't it going to far and should be done on lower 
level (file system, gnome-proposed storage)?

m.

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From blackie at blackie.dk  Sat Mar 20 13:43:55 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:43:55 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <200403201443.55629.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Saturday 20 March 2004 02:12, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| - When I want to sort a category (e.g. persons) alphabetically the other
| categories (e.g. locations, keywords) are sorted alphabetically as well. I
| like this, but then we don't need to have sorting buttons in every
| category. I think we might have a toolbar at the top of the dialog with the
| two sorting buttons and some logical buttons ( &  |  ! ).
I'll consider this when going over the whole image configure window in week 16 
(aka kimdaba week - I've taken this week of for kimdaba work)

| - Personally, I disagree with the replacement of "none" with "no persons",
| "no keyword", etc, because it makes the label too large and not so elegant
| in some cases. For example: the Spanish translation for "no keyword" has 18
| characters ("sin palabras clave") while the translation of "none" has only
| 7 characters ("ninguno"). And it could became longer for extra categories
| with long names. So, I really like better the original kimdaba format that
| used the word "none" for every category.
hmm, I'm indifferent on this issue, someone suggested the change, and I was 
just following the crow, what does someone else think?

| This is from an old one:
| - In the "delete images" dialog the user has two choices: "Delete images
| from disk and database" and "Block from database". The problem is that it
| is possible to choose both options simultaneously. If somebody wants to
| block an image from the database but forget to uncheck  "Delete images from
| disk and database" the images will be erased from disk !
I'm not sure I understand you what do you want to have change in that dialog?

Cheers
Jesper.


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Sat Mar 20 11:17:13 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:17:13 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403201443.55629.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201443.55629.blackie@blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403200817.13566.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> | This is from an old one:
> | - In the "delete images" dialog the user has two choices: "Delete images
> | from disk and database" and "Block from database". The problem is that it
> | is possible to choose both options simultaneously. If somebody wants to
> | block an image from the database but forget to uncheck  "Delete images
> | from disk and database" the images will be erased from disk !
>
> I'm not sure I understand you what do you want to have change in that
> dialog?

Right now there are two independent check buttons. I meant to replace them 
with two radio buttons inside a button group (speaking in Qt Designer terms).


From blackie at blackie.dk  Sat Mar 20 14:52:29 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:52:29 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403200817.13566.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
	<200403201443.55629.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<200403200817.13566.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <200403201552.29768.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| > | This is from an old one:
| > | - In the "delete images" dialog the user has two choices: "Delete
| > | images from disk and database" and "Block from database". The problem
| > | is that it is possible to choose both options simultaneously. If
| > | somebody wants to block an image from the database but forget to
| > | uncheck  "Delete images from disk and database" the images will be
| > | erased from disk !
| >
| > I'm not sure I understand you what do you want to have change in that
| > dialog?
|
| Right now there are two independent check buttons. I meant to replace them
| with two radio buttons inside a button group (speaking in Qt Designer
| terms).
Thats a feature not a bug ;-)
I gave it a lot of thought once, and had it as radio buttons, but then I 
changed it to checkboxes.
Of course I've forgot the reason now :-0

Cheers
Jesper.


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Sat Mar 20 12:19:27 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:19:27 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403201552.29768.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403200817.13566.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201552.29768.blackie@blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403200919.27973.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 11:52, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> Thats a feature not a bug ;-)
> I gave it a lot of thought once, and had it as radio buttons, but then I
> changed it to checkboxes.
> Of course I've forgot the reason now :-0

Bug, feature, enhancement, call it as you want. But please, change this before 
I make a mistake and erase a picture when I just want to block it. ;-)

Regards,
Rafael


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Sat Mar 20 15:52:05 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:52:05 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403200919.27973.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201552.29768.blackie@blackie.dk>
 <200403200919.27973.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <200403201247.57412.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 09:19, Rafael Beccar escribió:
> El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 11:52, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> > On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> >
> > Thats a feature not a bug ;-)
> > I gave it a lot of thought once, and had it as radio buttons, but then I
> > changed it to checkboxes.
> > Of course I've forgot the reason now :-0
>
> Bug, feature, enhancement, call it as you want. But please, change this
> before I make a mistake and erase a picture when I just want to block it.
> ;-)

Wait, I am going to try to do it myself and submit you a patch. The only 
programming language I know is Perl, but it seems this is not so difficult to 
do and is a good change to learn a little about Qt. I will give it a try, if I 
can't do it by tomorrow night I will tell you that I give up with the patch.

Regards,
Rafael


From blackie at blackie.dk  Sat Mar 20 16:00:37 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:00:37 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403201247.57412.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
	<200403200919.27973.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
	<200403201247.57412.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <200403201700.37618.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Saturday 20 March 2004 16:52, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 09:19, Rafael Beccar escribió:
| > El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 11:52, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| > > On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| > > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| > >
| > > Thats a feature not a bug ;-)
| > > I gave it a lot of thought once, and had it as radio buttons, but then
| > > I changed it to checkboxes.
| > > Of course I've forgot the reason now :-0
| >
| > Bug, feature, enhancement, call it as you want. But please, change this
| > before I make a mistake and erase a picture when I just want to block it.
| > ;-)
|
| Wait, I am going to try to do it myself and submit you a patch. The only
| programming language I know is Perl, but it seems this is not so difficult
| to do and is a good change to learn a little about Qt. I will give it a
| try, if I can't do it by tomorrow night I will tell you that I give up with
| the patch.
As I said it is so by design, so don't bother writting a patch that changes 
the check boxes to radio buttons.

Cheers
Jesper.


From mikmach at wp.pl  Sat Mar 20 14:13:02 2004
From: mikmach at wp.pl (Mikolaj Machowski)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:13:02 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] poll: Do you use partial dates (Everybody answer
	please)
In-Reply-To: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>
References: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>
Message-ID: <200403201513.02140.mikmach@wp.pl>

Dnia sob 20. marca 2004 13:10, Jesper K. Pedersen napisał:
>
> How Many images do you have in KimDaBa:

Currently only 250, but still in migration. Better tools for importing 
of images would help :)

> How large a percentage of your images are scanned in:

Ca. 15% (mainly because I am scanning for later printing and need high 
quality scans - BIG images, have to burn them almost instantly to save 
disk space).

> In KimDaBa it is possible to specify a partial date, e.g. this picture is
> from 1985 (in contract to this images is from 11/7-1985).
> Is this a feature you use:

Hmm. Not sure if I understand, but I suppose that feature would be 
interesting for importing old holiday pictures.

m.

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From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Sat Mar 20 16:51:17 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:51:17 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403201700.37618.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201247.57412.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201700.37618.blackie@blackie.dk>
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El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 13:00, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> On Saturday 20 March 2004 16:52, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 09:19, Rafael Beccar escribió:
> | > El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 11:52, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> | > > On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> | > > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> As I said it is so by design, so don't bother writting a patch that changes
> the check boxes to radio buttons.

Well, my idea was to make them exclusive. I might do it anyway and keep it for 
myself as a Qt lesson.

Greetings,
Rafael

>
> Cheers
> Jesper.
>
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From blackie at blackie.dk  Sat Mar 20 16:57:09 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:57:09 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403201351.17300.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
	<200403201700.37618.blackie@blackie.dk>
	<200403201351.17300.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
Message-ID: <200403201757.09788.blackie@blackie.dk>

On Saturday 20 March 2004 17:51, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 13:00, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| > On Saturday 20 March 2004 16:52, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 09:19, Rafael Beccar escribió:
| > | > El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 11:52, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| > | > > On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
| > | > > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
| >
| > As I said it is so by design, so don't bother writting a patch that
| > changes the check boxes to radio buttons.
Making the exclusive is the same as a two radio buttons, right?

As I said, I had a reason for using checkboxes, that is there was a situation 
where I wanted both to be on the same time, I just can't remember which.


From boulot.dodo at laposte.net  Sat Mar 20 18:22:34 2004
From: boulot.dodo at laposte.net (Jean-Michel FAYARD)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:22:34 +0000
Subject: [KimDaBa] 
	Re: poll: Do you use partial dates (Everybody answer please)
In-Reply-To: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>
References: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>
Message-ID: <c3hujc$hba$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jesper K. Pedersen a écrit :
> Hi.
> 
> I'd like to get some input from you all, so I'd be very happy if you all would 
> just hit the reply button (and ensure the mail only goes to me - not to the 
> list)
> 
> In week 16 I've taken the week of to work on KimDaBa, and one thing I'll work 
> on is the image configure dialog, for that work I have a bunch of questions:
> 
> How Many images do you have in KimDaBa:
1700, rapidly growing

> In KimDaBa it is possible to specify a partial date, e.g. this picture is from 
> 1985 (in contract to this images is from 11/7-1985). 
> Is this a feature you use: 
before no, I wasn't aware of that.


From rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar  Sat Mar 20 17:41:27 2004
From: rafabeccar at speedy.com.ar (Rafael Beccar)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:41:27 -0300
Subject: [KimDaBa] Comments about latest kimdaba CVS
In-Reply-To: <200403201757.09788.blackie@blackie.dk>
References: <200403192212.22702.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201351.17300.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>
 <200403201757.09788.blackie@blackie.dk>
Message-ID: <200403201441.27670.rafabeccar@speedy.com.ar>

El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 13:57, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> On Saturday 20 March 2004 17:51, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 13:00, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> | > On Saturday 20 March 2004 16:52, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> | > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 09:19, Rafael Beccar escribió:
> | > | > El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 11:52, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> | > | > > On Saturday 20 March 2004 12:17, Rafael Beccar wrote:
> | > | > > | El Sáb 20 Mar 2004 10:43, Jesper K. Pedersen escribió:
> | >
> | > As I said it is so by design, so don't bother writting a patch that
> | > changes the check boxes to radio buttons.
>
> Making the exclusive is the same as a two radio buttons, right?

I don't think so, you can have two radio buttons but if they are not inside a 
Button Group they are not exclusive.

> As I said, I had a reason for using checkboxes, that is there was a
> situation where I wanted both to be on the same time, I just can't remember
> which.

Well, lets think about it:

As I understand if you have "Delete images from disk and database" ON and you 
pressed OK the image will be erased from disk and removed from index.xml.

If the entry is not any more in index.xml why you would ever want to block the 
image from the database ? I really can't find a possible situation.

I have tried what happen if you have both options on. The result is that the 
image is not anymore on the disk and that's dangerous because "Delete Images" 
is the default option and is very easy to erase a picture by mistake when 
just you want to block it.

Well, you are the expert and Kimdaba's father but in this case I am pretty 
sure about my point of view. If I am wrong please tell me.

Greetings,
Rafael




From urs at synthetik.ch  Sun Mar 21 06:00:59 2004
From: urs at synthetik.ch (urs roesch)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:00:59 +0900
Subject: [KimDaBa] poll: Do you use partial dates (Everybody answer
	please)
In-Reply-To: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>;
	from blackie@kde.org on Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 01:10:37PM +0100
References: <200403201310.37856.blackie@kde.org>
Message-ID: <20040321150059.C27381@ns.synthetik.ch>

Jesper K. Pedersen [blackie at kde.org] wrote:
> Hi.
 
> I'd like to get some input from you all, so I'd be very happy if you all would 
> just hit the reply button (and ensure the mail only goes to me - not to the 
> list)
 
> In week 16 I've taken the week of to work on KimDaBa, and one thing I'll work 
> on is the image configure dialog, for that work I have a bunch of questions:
 
> How Many images do you have in KimDaBa: 
3300 but haven't finished consolidation yet likely to grow to 4000+ in the near Future

> How large a percentage of your images are scanned in: 
There are a couple of images from ImageCDs and PhotoCDs but it is probably less than 10%

> In KimDaBa it is possible to specify a partial date, e.g. this picture is from 
> 1985 (in contract to this images is from 11/7-1985). 
> Is this a feature you use: 
Since I'm still classifying the pictures I have not yet checked the dates on them but I think that this feature will be used for the images from CDs that do not have EXIF data. 
 
cheers, 

--urs


From jedd at progsoc.org  Sun Mar 21 11:01:12 2004
From: jedd at progsoc.org (jedd)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:01:12 +1100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Meta-data for files (Was: Proposal for branch project)
In-Reply-To: <200403201150.46892.mikmach@wp.pl>
References: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
	<200403201150.46892.mikmach@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <200403212201.12269.jedd@progsoc.org>

On Sat March 20 2004 09:50 pm, Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
 ] Dnia sob 20. marca 2004 05:27, Jody Harris napisał:
 ] > Just thinking out loud.  Maybe I'll take the principles I've learned
 ] > from KimDaBa and being on this list and write a Sound Database for the
 ] > web.... now there's a thought....

 ] Also what extensions would be possible and useful in future? Video 
 ] clips, txt files. Isn't it going to far and should be done on lower 
 ] level (file system, gnome-proposed storage)?

 I tend to think that's a file-system issue.

 So does Microsoft.  Which isn't really very interesting - you can
 imagine they'd think everything falls under their control & influence
 (you can have adverts pop-up for the new version of Office whenever
 you search your file system for a document).

 Turning the FS into a DB was due for the next release of MS's OS, but
 seemingly it's been put on hold for a while.  (The theoretical operation
 was that the existing FS would be a 'plugin' to the new OS, and the
 default FS would actually be a SQL DB.)

 What's more interesting is that Hans Reiser thinks this way too, and
 he wrote a superb white paper on the subject a while back.

 http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html

 When that happens is anyone's guess, but it's still a really well-written
 and interesting discussion paper.

 v4 of reiserfs is due RSN, but won't include this kind of functionality,
 as I understand it, but will include a plug-in capability .. and we may
 see this kind of thing coming out under that architecture sometime later.

 To answer the earlier question -- you could presumably rip out the
 image aspects of KimDaBa and try to replace them with audio or
 AV or Document equivalents, but audio files don't lend themselves
 to thumbnails.  AV stuff does.  Text documents don't.

 Have fun.   ; )

 Cheers,
 Jedd.


From mikmach at wp.pl  Sun Mar 21 18:44:07 2004
From: mikmach at wp.pl (Mikolaj Machowski)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:44:07 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Meta-data for files (Was: Proposal for branch project)
In-Reply-To: <200403212201.12269.jedd@progsoc.org>
References: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
	<200403201150.46892.mikmach@wp.pl> <200403212201.12269.jedd@progsoc.org>
Message-ID: <200403211944.07230.mikmach@wp.pl>

Dnia nie 21. marca 2004 12:01, jedd napisał:
>
>  To answer the earlier question -- you could presumably rip out the
>  image aspects of KimDaBa and try to replace them with audio or
>  AV or Document equivalents, but audio files don't lend themselves
>  to thumbnails.  AV stuff does.  Text documents don't.

Why? KDE already show previews for txt files (there are still some bugs 
but it is possible). Also "preview" of sound files is done with hovering 
mouse over icon. Visualization is hard but could be done with 
association icon or image with this particular sound file.

m.
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  http://vim.sourceforge.net/script.php?script_id=461
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From jedd at progsoc.org  Sun Mar 21 22:31:17 2004
From: jedd at progsoc.org (jedd)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:31:17 +1100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Meta-data for files (Was: Proposal for branch project)
In-Reply-To: <200403211944.07230.mikmach@wp.pl>
References: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
	<200403212201.12269.jedd@progsoc.org> <200403211944.07230.mikmach@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <200403220931.17584.jedd@progsoc.org>

On Mon March 22 2004 05:44 am, Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
 ] Why? KDE already show previews for txt files (there are still some bugs 
 ] but it is possible). Also "preview" of sound files is done with hovering 
 ] mouse over icon. Visualization is hard but could be done with 
 ] association icon or image with this particular sound file.

 I fit about 50-80 thumbnails on screen while using KimDaBa, and I think
 it would be infeasible to get a visual representation of text documents at
 such a density.

 I was thinking about this last night as I dozed off, too, and realised that
 this facility already exists for text documents on your system - htdig or
 swish++ are two examples.  Summarizing, in text format, a bunch of text
 documents would be painful and pointless.

 Sound file previews .. yes, I've bumped into those accidentally once before
 on KDE.  They didn't last long.  ;)   What kind of information, over and
 above what goes into the file's path, name, or id3 tag, would you want to
 associate with an audio stream?  There's plenty of audio database packages
 out there already, and a lot of them can pull genre and name information out
 of the cddb or equivalent.  (And yes, I know that most people that contribute
 to those public db's can't spell.)  Actually I think the big lack of problem
 here is that so few people create & collect non-music audio files.

 AV stuff is interesting, and I can see it growing in usefulness as more
 people acquire home videos, but I'm still pondering what a useful indexing
 system for an AV collection would look like.

 Anyway, ultimately I really do think this stuff should live in the file
 system layer.

 Jedd.


From BOUCHAOL at cial.cic.fr  Fri Mar 26 08:39:40 2004
From: BOUCHAOL at cial.cic.fr (BOUCHARD Olivier)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:39:40 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Import data
Message-ID: <06BACC9B87393847A2353FB94AFE68E69AEA37@gf46-001.cic-st.cm-cic.fr>

hi Jesper, hi u all
 
I manage more than 2.000 pictures, 99,9% scanned...
I already have set comments into another MS software (J*ASC photo album), and i'd like to switch the database to KimDaBa
My comments are structured so: filename, title, comment in a .txt file
 
Have u any suggestions "howto" to get these informations into the KimDaBa index.xml file ???
 
Thx & bye
 
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From blackie at kde.org  Fri Mar 26 08:58:23 2004
From: blackie at kde.org (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:58:23 +0100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Import data
In-Reply-To: <06BACC9B87393847A2353FB94AFE68E69AEA37@gf46-001.cic-st.cm-cic.fr>
References: <06BACC9B87393847A2353FB94AFE68E69AEA37@gf46-001.cic-st.cm-cic.fr>
Message-ID: <200403260958.24110.blackie@kde.org>

On Friday 26 March 2004 09:39, BOUCHARD Olivier wrote:
| hi Jesper, hi u all
|
| I manage more than 2.000 pictures, 99,9% scanned...
| I already have set comments into another MS software (J*ASC photo album),
| and i'd like to switch the database to KimDaBa My comments are structured
| so: filename, title, comment in a .txt file
|
| Have u any suggestions "howto" to get these informations into the KimDaBa
| index.xml file ???
Well my best suggestion would be to write a small application which read the 
original image and writes it in kimdaba XML format.

If you are not a programmer, then try to put your data online, and cry for 
help here, maybe there is a fellow kimdaba user who has it in the same format 
and can help you, or simply are tickled by the challenge and does it.

As a KimDaBa developer I'm not going to do this, as I find it (at least 
currently) of little use to KimDaBa in general, but as a professional 
consultant I might be able to write the script for you - should you choose to 
give me copyright to put the script online for other interested users, I'll 
gladly give you a decent discount. Sent me the file in a private email for an 
offer.

Cheers
Jesper.  


From davidf at sjsoft.com  Fri Mar 26 10:54:16 2004
From: davidf at sjsoft.com (David Fraser)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:54:16 +0200
Subject: [KimDaBa] Import data
In-Reply-To: <200403260958.24110.blackie@kde.org>
References: <06BACC9B87393847A2353FB94AFE68E69AEA37@gf46-001.cic-st.cm-cic.fr>
	<200403260958.24110.blackie@kde.org>
Message-ID: <40640BD8.7030803@sjsoft.com>

Jesper K. Pedersen wrote:

>On Friday 26 March 2004 09:39, BOUCHARD Olivier wrote:
>| hi Jesper, hi u all
>|
>| I manage more than 2.000 pictures, 99,9% scanned...
>| I already have set comments into another MS software (J*ASC photo album),
>| and i'd like to switch the database to KimDaBa My comments are structured
>| so: filename, title, comment in a .txt file
>|
>| Have u any suggestions "howto" to get these informations into the KimDaBa
>| index.xml file ???
>Well my best suggestion would be to write a small application which read the 
>original image and writes it in kimdaba XML format.
>
>If you are not a programmer, then try to put your data online, and cry for 
>help here, maybe there is a fellow kimdaba user who has it in the same format 
>and can help you, or simply are tickled by the challenge and does it.
>
>As a KimDaBa developer I'm not going to do this, as I find it (at least 
>currently) of little use to KimDaBa in general, but as a professional 
>consultant I might be able to write the script for you - should you choose to 
>give me copyright to put the script online for other interested users, I'll 
>gladly give you a decent discount. Sent me the file in a private email for an 
>offer.
>
>Cheers
>Jesper.  
>
Hi

I have just started writing some Python code that so far allows you to 
import a kimdaba config script and write it out again.
This could be extended to allow you to build up a kimdaba config file 
from scratch, and import stuff like this.
See my other message (on PyImdaba) for more details.

Cheers
David


From davidf at sjsoft.com  Fri Mar 26 11:49:18 2004
From: davidf at sjsoft.com (David Fraser)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:49:18 +0200
Subject: [KimDaBa] PyImdaba
Message-ID: <406418BE.9070702@sjsoft.com>

Hi

First of all thanks, Jesper and others for KImdaba. What a great
application!
My sister visited my house and said "Wow, I need to get that."
Unfortunately she runs Windows, so its a bit complex to get her to use
KImdaba (and she can't change it its not her machine).
So I decided to do something I've been wanting to do for a while - write
a cross-platform program like KImdaba, using Python and wxPython.

So far I have made it so it can read in a KImdaba index.xml and display
the images, using a similar kind of interface (though slightly different).
You can filter things just like you can in KImdaba, but there's no
support for dates yet.

Also I have added a slideshow feature which lets you view all the
current filtered images in a fullscreen slideshow. (though for some
reason this is now crashing with wxGTK, but not wxMSW)
And I have added a "Run command" feature which lets you run a command on
all the current filtered images.
For example, you can Run "eog" on Linux and it will open all the current
pictures in eog, or similarly in gthumb (another nice way to do a slideshow)

Note that this is very preliminary code, and could use much improvement!

Anyway I am writing to see if anyone else is interested in this, maybe I
will start a project on sourceforge if they are...
Since the code is very small (491 lines total) I have attached a zip
file of it.
This requires Python 2.3, wxPython 2.4 and elementtree 1.1 (from effbot.org)
If anyone wants to see a screenshot there is one at
http://davidf.sjsoft.com/files/pyimdaba-0.0.1-mainwindow.jpg (too big to
post to list)

Regards
David


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From davidf at sjsoft.com  Sat Mar 27 12:24:34 2004
From: davidf at sjsoft.com (David Fraser)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:24:34 +0200
Subject: [KimDaBa] Proposal for branch project
Message-ID: <40657282.7050101@sjsoft.com>

>
>
>Jesper, don't reply to this immediately.  Let it "set on your brain" for 
>a week or so, then let me know your thoughts.
>
>It's sounds completely "whacked" on first blanch, but...
>
>KSoDaBa  -- the K Sound Database
>
>So, the kids and I shot a little video of "a monster" attacking a 
>village.  15 seconds.  What it needs is sound effects.  So, off to 
>Google I go, and I locate several thousand free sound effects.
>
>Problem: I have no way to organize them and track them for when I need them.
>
>Then, it occurs to me, "If I could mangle KimDaBa into a Sound Database, 
>I'd be set!"
>
>Just thinking out loud.  Maybe I'll take the principles I've learned 
>from KimDaBa and being on this list and write a Sound Database for the 
>web.... now there's a thought....
>
>Happy Spring, everyone!
>
>havoc
>

I've just joined the mailing list but found this message in the archives.
I had been thinking of similar ideas myself.
Others have commented that this belongs in the filesystem. But a lot of 
those comments could apply to KImdaba itself.
My view of it is, maybe it does in the long run, but its not there now, 
so why not make something now rather than waiting for the file system?
I see KimDaBa as a way to browse & categorise information (in this case 
images) - its a user interface to that process.
Whether the actual metadata is stored in an index file like KimDaBa does 
it or in a special place in the file system isn't that important - 
Kimdaba could easily be adapted to work on file system metadata, and so 
could any broader system. What's important (and brilliant about KimDaBa) 
is the ease of use etc.

Anyway the main aspect of KImdaba that wouldn't work easily for 
non-images is previewing thumbnails.
But there's a whole lot of stuff that is relevant and could be applied.

I think, rather than writing a whole lot of different apps (Images, 
Sound, Text, etc) it would be cool to have one app that would handle a 
variety of media types, and use the same categorisation system for all 
of them. In addition, it would be cool to be able to share that 
information - I was wondering about using PyImdaba to make a web-based 
browsing system.
If something like this handled not just images but sound, text, etc, it 
could become a kind of multimedia-meta-blogging system.

Cheers
David


From jedd at progsoc.org  Sat Mar 27 14:10:17 2004
From: jedd at progsoc.org (jedd)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:10:17 +1100
Subject: [KimDaBa] Proposal for branch project
In-Reply-To: <40657282.7050101@sjsoft.com>
References: <40657282.7050101@sjsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200403280110.17478.jedd@progsoc.org>

 So long as others are happy for this to be on the list.  It's
 bordering on off-topic (okay okay, it's way off topic) but
 it's related to the broader topic, perhaps, depending how
 loosely you're happy to define ... yada yada.

On Sat March 27 2004 11:24 pm, David Fraser wrote:
 ] Others have commented that this belongs in the filesystem.
 ] But a lot of those comments could apply to KImdaba itself.

 You're possibly talking about me there.  I'm not sure which comments
 could apply equally well to KimDaBa, but I'm always more than happy
 to comment on things.

 ] My view of it is, maybe it does in the long run, but its not there now, 
 ] so why not make something now rather than waiting for the file system?

 So you have two beliefs:
 1.  That it probably belongs in the fs, and
 2.  That regardless of where, effort needs to be applied to create it.

 So the question can be turned on it's head - why spend effort duplicating
 many very similar applications when a smaller effort could be spent on
 developing a single integrated solution, and in the place where it probably
 belongs anyway?

 ] I see KimDaBa as a way to browse & categorise information (in this case 
 ] images) - its a user interface to that process.

 It's a database.  With a very nice front end.  (Despite the Thumbnails. ;)

 ] Whether the actual metadata is stored in an index file like KimDaBa does 
 ] it or in a special place in the file system isn't that important - 

 Actually that's a very important thing to consider, but we'll get to why
 later on.

 ] Kimdaba could easily be adapted to work on file system metadata, and so 
 ] could any broader system. What's important (and brilliant about KimDaBa) 
 ] is the ease of use etc.

 Very much so.  I haven't looked at the source much, so can't begin to
 estimate what the %-breakdown is of the read/write-the-xml, the UI
 proper, the database logic, etc is .. but it seems to me that the UI and
 the logic would be the big things, and that it would be a relatively
 trivial task to change the application to use something other than a
 flat-file - say postgresql, or a plug-in to a file-system.

 ] Anyway the main aspect of KImdaba that wouldn't work easily for 
 ] non-images is previewing thumbnails.

 KDE currently thumbnails audio quite acceptably (though I hate it),
 and thumbnails video files quite nicely (though the first frame of many
 videos is black), I think.

 Without thumbnails, though, it becomes very tricky to categorize the
 data files in the first place.  It's easy with KimDaBa because you can
 see who's in the photo, where that shot was taken, etc.  With a text
 file this is uber-painful (and as I mentioned before is best handled
 by things like htdig).  With a video file it's probably even more painful.
 With audio files it's anywhere between slightly and very painful.

 ] But there's a whole lot of stuff that is relevant and could be applied.

 Creating arbitrary attributes to files and having arbitrary values assigned
 to those attributes, and having a nice UI to assign and query those values?

 At the end of the day, if that's what you're after then all you're after is
 a database with a data-input screen and a query engine.

 ] I think, rather than writing a whole lot of different apps (Images, 
 ] Sound, Text, etc) it would be cool to have one app that would handle a 
 ] variety of media types, and use the same categorisation system for all 
 ] of them.

 When you say categorisation system, what are you referring to?  The
 ability to create arbitrary attributes, or having the same attributes assigned
 to all file types (person, location, keyword).  If the latter, how does that
 work for different media types (audio, av, image)?

 ] In addition, it would be cool to be able to share that 
 ] information - I was wondering about using PyImdaba to make a web-based 
 ] browsing system.
 ] If something like this handled not just images but sound, text, etc, it 
 ] could become a kind of multimedia-meta-blogging system.

 Ahh yes.  What the world needs now is more blogging systems.  ;)

 Writing front-ends specific for web-based browsing systems is another
 example of how this approach commits you to extra work just to get the
 different user-level 'components' talking to the same language.

 If you want to have different attributes for different types of files, then
 there's suddenly no reason to have them all contained in the same database
 (xml file, say).  You end up with either different apps designed to enter
 data & do queries on different file types, or you end up with something
 so generic that it looks like every other database interface (this isn't a
 necessarily bad thing, IMO).  And you end up with lots of xml files in
 various places that you have to carefully track (or one that contains all
 your disparate data and is so big that you'd have data-corruption & recovery
 worries about).

 Consider that once this information is plugged in to the file system, you
 get a number of benefits.

 First, your application doesn't have to worry about exporting or importing
 (merging) data from other sources.  You just copy bits of the file-system
 around.  You get transportability.

 Second, you get a performance benefit - file-system plugins are going to
 be faster than flat-file databases running in userspace.

 Third, you get convenience - you don't have to code for special cases
 like moving image files from one directory to another, as files and their
 attributes are intrinsically connected at an OS level.

 You also get lots of little benefits - you get to focus on the UI and
 logic / design, and just use the FS's API to do the tedious stuff.  You
 attract the attention of lots of people who want similar things but don't
 realise it yet.  You get to deprecate the umpteen mp3-playlist-managers
 on sf overnight (this is definitely a good thing).

 I guess my point is that if you think the logical place for this is in the
 file-system, then consider doing it properly - write a generic attribute
 plug-in for reiserfs v4 that KimDaBa can then use as a backend, rather
 than duplicating a bunch of code that shouldn't need to exist in the first
 place.

 Actually I wouldn't be too surprised if someone isn't already working
 on this kind of plug-in.  There doesn't seem to be much info on plugins
 in progress on the namesys site though.

 Cheers,
 Jedd.


From BOUCHAOL at cial.cic.fr  Mon Mar 29 07:28:22 2004
From: BOUCHAOL at cial.cic.fr (BOUCHARD Olivier)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:28:22 +0200
Subject: [KimDaBa] Import data
Message-ID: <06BACC9B87393847A2353FB94AFE68E6061893B2@gf46-001.cic-st.cm-cic.fr>


hi u all

Now it's OK for me :-))
I could use the database behind the initial software, wich was an .mdb file.
And so I could generate a line/record for each file, with KimDaBa format using dates, title and description
Ex:
<image monthFrom="0" dayFrom="0" yearTo="0" monthTo="0" md5sum="" file="1939/E 066.jpg" label="" angle="0" dayTo="0" yearfrom="0" description="enveloppe Avant guerre St lo 1938-39 Beauvais 8/10/39 " /> 

I got pb with special caracters : & ; é or è 
and the \ of paths => solved by edit/replace in the original datas

thx & bye


From blackie at blackie.dk  Tue Mar 30 09:25:02 2004
From: blackie at blackie.dk (Jesper K. Pedersen)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:25:02 +0200
Subject: [KimDaBa] Proposal for branch project
In-Reply-To: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
References: <405BC821.2050800@harrisdev.com>
Message-ID: <200403301025.03005.blackie@blackie.dk>

Let me see, its about a week now isn't it? ;-)

Well I've given this some though, and despite it sounds like a very good idea, 
I think that it would simply take too much time from kimdaba core time, time 
that are better spent on what kimdaba is currently good at.

Thanks for your suggestion, and I haven't discarded it completely, but so far 
I think time is better spent elsewhere.

Cheers
Jesper.
 
On Saturday 20 March 2004 05:27, Jody Harris wrote:
| Jesper, don't reply to this immediately.  Let it "set on your brain" for
| a week or so, then let me know your thoughts.
|
| It's sounds completely "whacked" on first blanch, but...
|
| KSoDaBa  -- the K Sound Database
|
| So, the kids and I shot a little video of "a monster" attacking a
| village.  15 seconds.  What it needs is sound effects.  So, off to
| Google I go, and I locate several thousand free sound effects.
|
| Problem: I have no way to organize them and track them for when I need
| them.
|
| Then, it occurs to me, "If I could mangle KimDaBa into a Sound Database,
| I'd be set!"
|
| Just thinking out loud.  Maybe I'll take the principles I've learned
| from KimDaBa and being on this list and write a Sound Database for the
| web.... now there's a thought....
|
| Happy Spring, everyone!
|
| havoc

-- 
Having trouble finding a given image in your collection containing
thousands of images?

http://ktown.kde.org/KimDaBa might be the answer.