[konsole] [Bug 425560] Horizontal margins and scroll/paint artefact regression

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425560

--- Comment #12 from tcanabrava at kde.org ---
Hey man, There's no need to be so assertive, we are usually on eachothers
backs.

I don't understand a few points on your reply, so if you have time to explain
them I would be grateful:

> Does it come as a surprise that most users who rely on their systems to be 
> productive on other things than the system itself don't have time to follow 
> those things - if they are even aware that they exist?!

Yes, it does come as a surprise for me, as those blogs are federated on the
planet, and they usually appear on phoronix and other linux outlets. If they
don't follow, I don't see a problem - new features are a sign that applications
are evolving and a quick check on news will give you the answer if it's a bug
or a feature.


> I'd say that if you really want to look into implementing new ideas in 
> something as basic and crucial as a terminal emulator, do it in a branch or 
> fork that people/distributions can provide as an alternative, a konsole-ng 

that exists in the form of git-branches, This specific one has been in test for
almost six months with discussions and input from the visual design group,
users and testers. Now, you can say that you where not part of the testing, and
this is true. But it's a feature that we are experimenting since phabricator so
we can't blame gitlab here. The majority consensus is that this feature is a
nice addition and if users don't like they can simply deactivate, no harm done.

> Now *that* would incite even me to go see what that's all about, while not 
> obliging me to waste time figuring out what and why the heck something was 
> changed in my user experience (my main workspace has consisted of 2 side-by-
> side, vertically maximised terminal windows for the past 30+ years).

But we are not in the 80's anymore. If you want a terminal that mimics what we
have in the 80's I ask you to test xterm or urxvt. with konsole you will have
increased changes over time (since I'm driving those) and I don't plan to stop.
you can test the new features and disable if you don't like, which is fine.
Having new things disabled by default is a really good way to make sure nobody
will use them. Things like Image Thumbnail, the `copy full path` and this slim
line on the side for new lines on the scroll history are welcome change by the
majority of people that tested konsole, for more than six months, before we
launched the app.

> A toolbar with toggle buttons might sound like a good idea, but I wouldn't
> want to waste space on it, so make sure you use kxmlgui or something of the > > sort so one can assign actions to menus too.

XMLGui is being used. but I'd argue that 22pxs is not really a waste of space.
I'm also experimenting with a new feature that you migth fancy, since you like
to use two vertical terminals. What would you say about having an hability to
say "This terminal on the right is the continuation of this terminal on the
left", having double the scrollback lines visible?

> As to helping: KDE's move away first from ReviewBoard (ideal for me) and now 
> from Phabricator to a service that doesn't match my way of working at all has > made me much less inclined to make the smallish here-and-there contributions 
> I've been making the past few years.

That's sad, I quite enjoy your contributions. tooling is just tooling and we
need to adapt to what projects that we like use. Gitlab is already helping KDE
on the developers front as it's what newcomers used to github knows how to use.

> As long as Microsoft don't drive me off github I'll be staying there and off 
> gitlab (but even that wouldn't change much because my main gripe is with 
> having to jump through the PR circus).

I don't understand this, as you don't need a new account and gitlab quite
similar to github, and does not askss you to use a different and unconventional
tooling (like arcanist)

> NB: the flaws I pointed out have nothing to do with the settings interface. No 
> matter how much of a mess those are, it's one I'm used to (and thank goodness 
> the dialog still looks like one you'd expect on a desktop).

And they will continue to look like a sane dekstop settings - I just want to
reorganize them.

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