[Kmymoney] Stock Transfer

[Nico Kruber]

On Thursday 19 Feb 2015 18:58:59 Jack wrote:
> On 2015.02.19 06:17, aga wrote:
> > On 18/02/15 20:36, Nico Kruber wrote:
> >> On Thursday 03 Apr 2014 14:22:24 Jack wrote:
> >>> On 2014.04.03 13:50, Ryan Novosielski wrote:
> >>>> Some changes were made to my investment portfolio and a couple of
> >>>> accounts that had been separate (certificated shares and direct
> >>>> registered shares) are now joined. So I was looking for a way to
> >>>> transfer shares out of an account and transfer them into the new
> >>>> one to record what actually took place. However, it seems like
> >>>> investment accounts do not do transfers.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Is there a way to do what I'm looking to do, or a reason not to?
> >>> 
> >>> Unfortunately, there is no "transfer stock" type transaction.  I
> >>> believe the best you can do is to simply do a "remove shares" from
> >>> one account and an "add shares" to the other.  When you first add
> >>> that stock to the second account, it should ask if you want to use
> >>> the existing equity.  You want to answer yes to that, so you don't
> >>> end up with two different equities for the same stock.  What I did
> >>> was to create the remove shares transaction, then duplicate it,
> >>> move the duplicate transaction to the second account, then edit
> >>> that transaction changing from remove to add.
> >> 
> >> the downside of this though is that in reports, e.g. "Investment
> >> performancy by type", now both securities show up separately and the
> >> added ones have a 0 values for buys and thus the calculations are
> >> wrong -> is there any way to merge these stats?
> >> 
> >> The only workaround I can think of is instead of using "add/remove"
> >> to add fake entries for "sell/buy" with e.g. the price at the time
> >> of the transfer...
> > 
> > Unless I am misunderstanding, it is possible to transfer shares from
> > one account to another, and I have just done it.
> > 
> > It works for multiple transfers, but only for the same activity type,
> > so you may need more than one pass.  Just highlight a bunch of like
> > shares, right click and select the account to receive them.  You will
> > need to have enabled 'Show equity accounts' -
> > Configure/General/Filter.
> 
> Allan,
> 
> I don't think this does what is being asked for.  In the ledger view,
> there are no shares to highlight, only transactions which
> added/bought/sold/... those shares.  If I select one or more "buy
> shares" transaction, then I can transfer those transactions to a
> different account.  (I wonder if the brokerage side of the transaction
> also moves to the brokerage account associated with the receiving
> account - I have not tested.)  I also don't see any restriction to
> select like transactions or like equity for the selected transactions.
> However, this is not the desired action of transferring the shares
> themselves to a different account.  The only way this action could help
> is to "sell" the desired number of shares, duplicate that sell, convert
> it to a buy, and then move the buy to the other account.  Then you also
> have to assure that the buy and sell both reference the same brokerage
> account.
> 
> If this isn't what you are suggestion, please clarify.

I'd be fine with the "remove+add shares" action - actually, I'd prefer that 
over a fake sell/buy transaction. I do like the generated reports, including 
the "return on investment" and "annualised return". By using sell/buy 
transactions, it is like having a cut at that date with intermediate 
statistics and starting from scratch then. I'd prefer having the total stats.

So maybe there is (or should be) an option to merge the equities in the 
reports? Afaik there is none so far.

However, I just checked what happens when equity accounts are closed: there 
are not shown in reports.
-> So ultimately, I believe if there was a "transfer stock" activity, we could 
also transfer the statistics and thus keep useful reports...


Nico
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