communication re: 4.8.1

[Ralf Habacker]

Am 29.09.2017 um 00:49 schrieb Jack:
> On 2017.09.28 18:20, Ralf Habacker wrote:
>> Am 28.09.2017 um 23:37 schrieb Ralf Habacker:
>> > Am 28.09.2017 um 23:22 schrieb Jack:
>> >> I see that version 4.8.1 has been released. 
>> Not complete, only the windows part of the files has been uploaded,
>> the unix tar ball is still missing.
> I think it would have been better to do a complete release at once, or
> at least an appropriate announcement, to avoid confusion.  I also
> thought there was only one source tarball.  I don't see too much point
> in releasing a windows specific tarball, 
Please remember that the announcement did not have been released

Thanks to the mentioned bug report I am now aware that the kmymoney tar
ball seems to be different to umbrello (which I released the last 2
years) because umbrello is in the public KDE Applications release cycle,
which provides the translations separatly from umbrello. After looking
into the kmymoney 4.8.0 tarball it turns out that it contains the
translations for the application.
> since almost nobody will compile for himself on Windows.  (I have
> spent a lot of time trying over the past years, and never had success.)  
This time is over in case you can run a command from linux command line
named osc. Additional if you have a Windows virtual machine on the linux
host you can map the related dir from the linux machine to the guest and
directly run the compiled application.

> I hope the only additional files in the windows source compared to
> linux are related to the relase process itself, and are not actually
> necessary for compiling.
The tarball is a raw copy from the kmymoney git repo and the
translations are added only for generating the binary translation into a
package named mingw32-kmymoney-lang (see
https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/windows:mingw:win32/mingw32-kmymoney/fetch-translations?expand=1,
which is used in
https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/windows:mingw:win32/mingw32-kmymoney/mingw32-kmymoney.spec?expand=1
line 120) similar to what happens with opensuse kmymoney package
building on linux.
>
>> Bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385167 showed me the subtile
>> differences between Windows and Linux releases: The Windows release
>> does not contain any translated documentation because it uses the
>> documentation provided by KDE online. Currently there are not all
>> translations ready (for example the german translation at
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable4/de/extragear-office/kmymoney/index.html)
>> but it does not affect the binary release for Windows. Users will see
>> updated doc immediatly. In the opposite the incomplete translated
>> documentation blocks the src tarball on linux.
> I would make a weak request that the Windows version includes the
> translations and help files, since the whole point of them is to have
> them available if you are not connected to the internet.
Please remember that all previous kmymoney source tarballs only include
the translations for the application no documentation and I guess this
should nor be changed inside a stable release.
bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385167 is therefore a feature
request wanting doc translations in the source tarball.

> However, since I don't know the effort to actually get the windows
> copy to use them (I suppose it would also reaquire including a
> compiled version of khelpcenter, 
yes, I already build that somewhere, but it is not ready for usage, may
be with 4.8.2 and it depends on having up to date translations which is
not the case now.
> unless they were simply made local html files) I don't actually
> propose that change now.
I agree

I already filed a sysadmin request to update the source tar ball
https://phabricator.kde.org/T7093 but ... and I will release a source
tarball with the same content as the 4.8.0 tar ball.
>>> An announcement to this list (preferably even before the release)
>>> would be appropriate.  A note on the home page might also be a good
>>> idea.
>> Sure, but a quick check shows additional not up to date languages
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable4/es/extragear-office/kmymoney/index.html,
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable4/et/extragear-office/kmymoney/index.html,
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable4/fr/extragear-office/kmymoney/index.html,
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable4/pt_BR/extragear-office/kmymoney/index.html
>> I leave it up to you to decide if we should upload the src tarball
>> with the recent state of translated documentation or if we should
>> wait some more time and delay the announcement. It may also help to
>> ping the related translation teams.
> It's not up to me, but up to the development team as a whole.  Would
> it be worth releasing a 4.8.1-pre tarball, with the note that the only
> change from the expected final 4.8.1 would be translations, but no
> code changes? 
Because we learned now that 4.8.0  tarball does not contains doc
translations and 4.8.1 will also do so,  this is not required. I simply
update the tarball with the app translations.
> If not, then checking with the translation teams would be a good idea.
This is always a good idea as there are some translations incomplete as
stated above.
>>>> Final question - when did we start releasing files compressed with
>>>> 7zip, rather than gzip or xz?
>> This is the source tarball for the Windows release as designed in the
>> windows release package script (see maintainer subdir in kmymoney
>> source), which is more applicable for Windows users.
> That makes sense, but then I would have made it more clear that the
> source tarball is also specifically windows oriented.
Ben Cooksley mentioned in the sys admin request not to use different tar
balls
It can be upload in tar.xz and 7z format to make all people happy
   
Ralf