[Kmymoney-devel] Review Request: Display the number of not marked transactions for every account on KMM's homepage

Brendan Coupe brendan at coupeware.com
Thu Jan 10 16:30:46 UTC 2013

I thought the numbers were "Not Marked Count" + "Not Reconciled Count".
"Not Reconciled Count" = "Not Marked Count" + "Cleared Count". I think I
prefer this to the "Cleared Count" since this number doesn't tell me much
the way I use KMM. So for example where you now show 6+15 I would like to
see 6+21.

The "cleared" state means a lot to me. For example, when I download my
credit card transaction from my bank, none of the transactions are marked.
I manually match each transaction to the credit card receipt and click the
"Accept" button. This marks the matched transactions at "Cleared". When I
get my credit card statement and reconcile the account I simply enter that
end date of the statement and if everything was done correctly the
statement is in balance because everything up to that date is already
marked "Cleared". Once they are reconciled they are all marked "Reconciled".

Therefore the "Unmarked" state tells me how many downloaded transactions I
have that I have not matched to a receipt. This helps me track down missing
receipts before they are lost forever. In my example above 6+21 tells me I
have 6 missing receipts and 21 transactions since I last reconciled this
account. I don't care that I have 15 cleared transactions.

I don't think an additional column will use much additional screen space
since you are already displaying both numbers and a plus sign. If each of
the 3 new columns (balance status, not marked count not reconciled
count) could be enabled separately then anyone with limited space could
decide which if any they want to see. The way it is now is a little
confusing and I separate columns would eliminate the confusion without
having to read the manual.

I realize that everyone does not use KMM the same way. In a prefect world
KMM would have the option to show columns with "Not Marked Count", "Not
Reconciled Count" and "Cleared Count" and let the user decide. Of course in
a perfect world I would be a better programmer and could add this myself so
I'll take what I can get:-) The most important number to me is the "Not
Cleared Count" and I am very grateful that you have added that.


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Jack <ostroffjh at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 2013.01.10 05:50, Allan wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> And, to tell you the truth, I don't really understand the difference
>>> between "cleared" and "reconciled". I think that "cleared" is just an
>>> intermediate state which transactions could end up in if the automatic
>>> reconciliation procedure hasn't been successful. Since I never use this
>>> workflow I am not sure, though.
>> I've never actually looked for a definition, but my take on this is -
> I'd say it works differently for different types of accounts.
>  1) manually enter transaction - unmarked.
>  2) download statement and if it tallies - cleared.
> I often manually mark transactions cleared if I check the account on-line,
> even if I don't download anything.  I find this of most use to follow which
> checks have not been cashed yet.
>  3) reconciled - reconciled.
> This implies that your KMM account matches a statement received from the
> bank or credit card company.  I suppose you could reconcile to any on-line
> balance, but it makes the most sense for accounts where you get a regular
> statement.
> While I do see this feature as being useful, I have few accounts that
> would ever show 0+0 here.  For my credit card accounts, by the time I
> reconcile, it is two weeks after the closing date of the statement, so if I
> have done an online update, I have transactions in that period that are
> cleared, but won't be reconciled until next month.  Even stranger, the
> online balance is often a day old, so I download a transaction from
> yesterday, but the online balance is from two days ago.  That last
> transaction is marked cleared, but the balance does not match the online
> balance.  For my checking account, I often manually enter checks that I
> know won't clear for a long time - and I can even reconcile the account
> with those transactions unmarked.
> I have a whole conversation ready to discuss reconciling investment
> accounts, but I'll leave that for a different time.
> Jack
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