Fundraising and the Development Fund.

[Emmet O'Neill]

Ivan:

>However, while this point is fair, dont forget the UI for Android devices
is not at all polished, which I believe is the main reason we are not
thinking in charging the Android version.

Yes. I agree that if we were to charge for Krita on Android it would have
to meet a certain standard of polish.

>showcase/tutorial/blogpost add a visible legend such as: "This content is
sponsored by painters like you: Join the devfund!". [...] we need to show a
relationship between the investment into the devfund and visible
development results

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

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Halla:

>I haven't been able to figure that out, and all I've seen were endless
round-robin arguments about yes/no integration with krita-artists. I don't
think we'll figure this out in time.

I'd be willing to put time into this post-5.0, but I will probably need
some direction in respect to how to navigate KDE, who to talk to, etc.

>There are two reasons it's free on android/chromeos: [only way to install,
beta]

I can agree with the beta part, but I don't know if I understand the first
point.
Ideologically, I can respect the fact that you want Krita to be accessible,
and being free is pretty damn accessible by any standard.
Financially though, it feels like it's an unwise move, to be frank.

We can't control the fact that Android makes it difficult to side-load
apps, let alone build something from source.

But the reality is that spending money to provide it for free (to an
Android user base that's *potentially* bigger than the PC platforms
combined) is costing you/the project money.
The very real costs associated with Android specific development are going
to come from somewhere, be it "subsidies" from our PC users, or worse, from
your own pocket.

And don't get me wrong, I don't want to come across as money-focused or
against Krita for Android.
I think Sharaf has been doing great work and I can see that the potential
for Krita on Android is huge.
And though I don't have a financial stake here and it's really not my
business, I just want it to be done in a way that is realistic and
sustainable, and that isn't going to bleed you or the project dry.

>I think we've been doing that, but it's a fact that I'm, outside of the
steam store, pretty the only one who really does any messaging, and I don't
feel like I'm getting a lot of support in getting the message out.

So I think we're just not communicating well enough with each other about
these things.

I know that public communication isn't everybody's cup of tea and that's
ok, but we definitely have enough strong communicators in our group that we
should be able to
share the burden with you when it comes to messaging. I know we're all
contracted to be programmers, but with such a small team I think it's a
good idea if we can
also engage in the other important tasks that need to be done--like
messaging and fundraising.

We might have to once again restructure our meetings a bit so that we can
make messaging and fundraising a more present part of what we think about
every week.
(But how we run our meetings is probably a separate topic altogether.)

>The bottom line is that I probably will have to ask some people to on
hiatus starting with December. I'm going to hate doing that. I've kept
going with the reserves we had, but I've spent half of what I'm going to
need to pay the 2020 taxes already, which really is a problem.

Understandable, as it can't be helped.
I think it's safe to say that none of us want to be the source of financial
and mental turmoil for you.
Do what needs to be done to have things be sustainable for the project.

I would say that I hope that this can be done in a way that is fair (hour
cuts across the board, unwinding the stack as people were added, etc.) and
gives people enough time to figure out what they will need to do to adjust
their lives.
Not that I'd expect anything else, but December isn't so long from now!

You know, It could just be that Krita grew a bit too fast. (I know it's
hard to plan around what has been a pretty unprecedented time...)
In the future, it should really be the goal to do things in a way that's
sustainable and in service of a good quality of life, for the contractors
and the project maintainer alike. :)

Thanks for engaging in this discussion, because I feel that it's an
important thing that sometimes gets abstracted away during the week-to-week.
Emmet

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 5:51 PM Iván Yossi <ghevan at gmail.com> wrote:

> That would be me, I want to aid in helping create exciting new
> announcements. For the weekend I’ll go through the release notes and see
> what I can add to improve them (That will be difficult to do since Wolthera
> already made an excellent job with it)
>
> Iván Yossi
>
>
>
> Well, who is going to help me write krita.org news stories about
> development that are fun to read and will excite people? That's basically
> the only public channel we have, other than youtube, where development
> content isn't really appreciated.
>
> Halla
>
>
>
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