[PATCH] support selecting xmlui file in konqy profile

[Aaron J. Seigo]

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i see you didn't respond to any of my observations re: the security lock 
button in the toolbar. am i to assume that this implies you agree/concede to 
the correctness of my counter-points to the 2 main issues you raised with 
regard to that particular button?

On Monday 05 January 2004 04:42, George Staikos wrote:
> On Monday 05 January 2004 18:30, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > >    Now that I look at it more closely, I don't agree with any of the
> > > GUI changes, except perhaps the Go button (since it can easily be
> > > re-added for Kiosk-style operation).  It just adds more clicks to do
> > > things and hides common actions.
> >
> > the actions aren't that common.
>
>   I disagree.  I use some of those actions very often.

alright then: which actions do you use, listed in reverse order of frequency 
of use, broken out into 3 groups: hourly, daily and weekly (or less) usage

>   I don't see it being overpopulated at all.  KWord, KSpread, etc have what
> I would call overpopulated toolbars, but this is tradition in such apps,
> and you know, people learn after a day or two how to work with those quite
> efficiently.

and yet they work more efficiently with slimmer toolbars. it's a raw fact that 
human beings, in general, can only process so many controls at once. you'll 
see these limits in place all over the things we use every day, and you'll 
see people get frustrated with the things that ignore this fact. people, btw, 
generally dislike modern desktop computer interfaces. no big surprise as they 
tend to ignore the various built-in limits people have.

you are arguing against the realities of most humans. you and i are probably 
not "most humans", fortunately WE know how to add things to our toolbars. i'd 
wager that your toolbar is already different than the default (i know mine 
is).

> > > You
> > > can even make it part of KPersonalizer: "Do you want fewer features?
> > > Y/N" Removing features and making it hard to do things is what Gnome
> > > does, not what KDE does, and IMHO it's really dumb.
> >
> > good thing that isn't what this does, then. =P
>
>    Being able to click Print instead of hunting through the menus or
> working through the toolbar configuration is a feature.  Being able to
> clear the combo at the click of a button instead of via activating a
> context menu or holding in the backspace key is a feature.

being able to click a button to copy text is a feature, too. but one that 
isn't worth the space it consumes, which translates to an interface that is 
too cluttered to be usable. you are perfectly correct that we can continue on 
having applications that are hard to manage and difficult to teach and keep 
our dozens of buttons all over the place. it is also equally true that we can 
make our applications easy to manage and easy to learn by being _careful_ 
with _what_ we place in toolbars (as one small example). 

not everything has to, or even should, be in a toolbar. that is highly priced 
real estate due to its visibility and size. on such a metric, the prices of 
things would go something like this, from most to least:

Document view
Toolbars
Menus
Configuration dialogs

an interesting thing about toolbars is that not only are they one of the 
highest items in value, but as you use them more you diminish the even more 
precious document view space: using toolbars costs more than just the toolbar 
space itself!

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Aaron J. Seigo
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