Opera, Safari and KHTML

[David Joham]

I was a little surprised about their opinion of their product myself. I'm constantly struggling to
get even simple DOM manipulation and CSS to work in Opera. It is by far the most troublesome
browser in this regards. 

However, they may have been referring to their Opera 7 browser in this article. I've looked at
Opera 7 and must say their rendering engine is far and above what it was for the 6.x series.
They've closed the gap a lot. I don't think they've pulled ahead, but perhaps it can be said
they're on par. I have to wait until their Linux port is finished to really test it out however.

David

--- Vadim Plessky <lucy-ples at mtu-net.ru> wrote:
> 
> http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982314.html?part=dht&tag=ntop
> Was Mac Opera gored on Safari?
> 
> ...
> The reason? Apple's launch of its own Safari browser at Macworld in San
> Francisco earlier this month. Safari, now out in a test or "beta" version, is
> based on the open-source browser project KHTML. KHTML is part of the K
> Desktop Environment, an open-source graphical interface for Unix
> workstations.
> 
> "I'm not a quitter, and our company isn't a quitter, but it really is up to
> Apple," said Jon von Tetzchner, chief executive of privately held Opera. "The
> Mac platform may not be viable for us any longer."
> 
>  Specifically, Tetzchner said that he had asked Apple whether it would be
> willing to license Opera either to replace KHTML, or to supplement the
> current Safari version, which Apple said is a stripped-down affair with a
> minimalist interface and limited feature set.
> 
> "We have contacted Apple and asked them if they want a third-party browser,
> and we'll see what the answer is," Tetzchner said. "They could say we want to
> use Opera as the core engine. If they want KHTML as a simple little browser,
> and also something more advanced, we would be happy to provide it. Obviously,
> if we don't get any positive signs from Apple, then we have to think about
> it."
> 
> "We think Safari is one of the best and most innovative browsers in the
>  world, and it seems our customers do too," the Mac maker said in a
>  statement. "No one is making Mac users choose Safari over Opera--they're
>  doing it of their own free will--and Opera's trashing of Safari sounds like
>  sour grapes to us."
> 
> ...
> Opera's consternation over Safari is the second shock wave Apple's launch has 
> sent through the browser market. The advent of Safari also rattled Mozilla, 
> exposing concerns over that browser's size, and catapulted KHTML from 
> obscurity to potential widespread adoption.
> 
> ***
> 
> This story makes me really happy.
> I just surprised though that Opera developers are of such high opinion about
> their Opera browser.
> 
> While Opera is indeed fast, its capabilities are quite limited.
> In particular, DOM support in Opera is almost rudimentary, while
> Konqueror/KHTML manages to have 2 different DOM models - W3C DOM and
> MS-specific 'document.all'
> 
> What do people think about this?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Vadim Plessky
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