toolbar icons

[Aleix Pol]

Maybe we should do some kind of survey. We can show to some
colleague/coworker/boss and ask what would they prefer.

I'm already used to KDev4 UI, I'm a bit polluted I guess. In any case we
will find people that will like both ways. The thing is that the people that
will miss the text on icon will just get bored of kdevelop and the people
that don't like the text will just remove it and enjoy.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM, David Nolden <
david.nolden.kdevelop at art-master.de> wrote:

> Am Sonntag 09 August 2009 17:05:52 schrieb Andreas Pakulat:
> > On 1024x768 you don't have that much choice anyway. Its just a pretty
> > small screen to put that many ui elements into one single line.
> >
> > > Am I really the only one who thinks that the screenshots you've sent
> are
> > > ugly?
> >
> > I actually like them, yes.
> To be honest, part of the uglyness I see in the screenshots might come from
> the fact that you don't have tabs, and have a huge font.
>
> > > Do you really think that is a good user interface for an IDE?
> >
> > On such a small screen: Yes.
> Well on a small screen the space is even more valuable.
>
> > > Apart from the
> > > wasted space, it looks cluttered due to the text and the large vertical
> > > size of the toolbar.
> >
> > No, it actually adds some whitespace so it doesn't look cluttered and as
> > if we've tried to cramp as many things into as little space as possible.
> We probably have different definitions of clutter. To me, clutter means
> that
> the optical structure is incomprehensive and not following a clear pattern.
> And that's what I feel when I see those 2-line icons beside the 1-line
> line-
> edits and panel.
>
> > Also I'd like to add that we can actually reduce the text of most
> > actions in the toolbar to a single word. Which means we'll have more
> > space without removing the text and without having the more-verbose text
> > in the menu, simply set iconText on the action. That will then be used
> > in toolbars. There's for example no reason for the word "Launch" in the
> > run/debug actions. Just "Run" and "Debug" would be enough and then we
> > can instantly fit 1-2 more icons or have more space for the lineedits.
> Yes that might at least reduce the horizontal-space problem with
> text-under-
> icons.
>
> > BTW: One other thing that those small buttons make harder: Actually
> > hitting it, thats one of the main reasons (apart from not being able to
> > memorize the icons) why I still have text-under-icons here.  I simply
> > don't mind the extra pixels taken by it because I find them to be useful
> >
> > > You see the whole function you're in, and you have the maximum amount
> of
> > > vertical space available in the editor, both of which increase
> > > productivity.
> >
> > Seriously, I don't need the latter, that one additional line in the
> > editor IMHO doesn't justify the problems you create for part of our
> > userbase regarding the toolbar buttons. Unless you've got 2 monitors,
> > rotated with 1900x1200 resolution, on top of each other you'll always
> > have code where you cannot fit a whole function into one editor-page.
> It is significant if you only have 25 lines overall, like maybe on a small
> screen, to cover the newbie-side. And as a power-user, me personally I also
> want that space, as I want maximum overview, and could eventually use the
> space to do a vertical split-view if I've got too much of it.
>
> > > I'm not convinced yet, I would like to hear some more opinions.
> >
> > And neither am I about your suggestion.
> >
> > > If the majority reall perfers the with-text version, I will be fine.
> >
> > So you want to do a poll?
>
> No just hear some more opinions. Since we're talking about default settings
> here, I think it is important to combine the preferences of many, instead
> of
> just you and me.
>
> Unfortunately most don't seem to be interested in this discussion, probably
> because you can just change the settings. But defaults are important, as
> they
> make up the first impression, and you never get a second change for a first
> impression.
>
> Greetings, David
>
>
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