toolbar icons

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 06.08.09 09:07:38, David Nolden wrote:
> Am Donnerstag 06 August 2009 08:48:09 schrieb Niko Sams:
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 22:06, Aleix Pol<aleixpol at kde.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM, David Nolden
> > >
> > > <david.nolden.kdevelop at art-master.de> wrote:
> > >> Now with the new quickopen- and context-browser stuff, it becomes more
> > >> and more apparent that the default mode for icons in the kdevelop
> > >> toolbar should
> > >> be "Icons Only".
> > >>
> > >> I'm getting tired of seeing wasty screenshots like this
> > >> http://frinring.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/binspektpart-in-kdevelop.png
> > >> in
> > >> the internet. The default UI should be better than that, something like
> > >> this
> > >> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8485/kdev4uinew.png, just with some
> > >> additional more useful icons.
> > >>
> > >> Other toolbar modes waste tons of vertical space, which is not
> > >> acceptable in a
> > >> productivity-oriented IDE, and they also waste a lot of horizontal
> > >> space, which is used much better by the context-browser and quickopen
> > >> line.
> > >>
> > >> So what do you think?
> >
> > IMHO we should keep the text as it's a global kde setting.
> > But we need to create a good default set of buttons.
> 
> That doesn't mean we have to obey it. The default KDE application is not an 
> IDE, so those globals don't have to be tailored against our needs. We should 
> build the best possible default UI.
> 
> So we have to answer the question: Does it make sense to show text with each 
> toolbar icon in an IDE, while the same space could be used for showing the 
> function you're currently editing instead?
> 
> Does it make sense to waste vertical space that could be used to show one more 
> line of code in the editor instead?
> 
> Which increases the productivity more? To me the answer is clear.

To me its not as crystal clear, because I'm not a newbie user that hasn't
ever used KDevelop (or even an IDE) before. To such a person I think all
the icons don't mean anything (hell even to me the icon for the filesystem
view has no meaning, if I didn't knew its the filesystem view). Thats the
crowd we need to optimize the default installation for - IMHO.

The people that are used to any KDevelop version will find out how to
change the toolbar to be icons-only easily.

Andreas

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