[Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive Kickstarter

Till Theato root at ttill.de
Fri Dec 23 13:47:32 UTC 2011

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On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote:
> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:11 PM,
> Dan Dennedy wrote:
>>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php
After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run
>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment.
>>>> The community funding model does not match the user
>>>> expectations.
>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to work on its
>> features:
> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full time on 
> Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features (definitely no
> special effects though ;)). Such a defined goal would probably make
> a fund raising more attractive. However since I'll have very little
> time till April and since nobody did have much time in the past few
> months this probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any
> big features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive
> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of Kdenlive's
> features anymore. That's what we concluded in Randa.
>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it.

If you think that'll convince potential donators...

>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features would/could you
>> add afterwards, when refactoring is done? Is stability increased
>> as well?

Well, I personally probably won't be available much afterwards and
therefore won't be able to add any new features. But of course we can
mention the plans you others have.

>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow have
>> git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that I read it
>> again, maybe the last point is not so important to mention)
>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think it would
>> make sense if * we other devs would again look at the code and
>> check what could be improved in the code * someone external did a
>> code review (if we find volunteers) before you start working?

Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on the
general approach to refactoring Kdenlive.

>> Simon
> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you sell
> refactoring?
>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster 
>>>> <simon.eu at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote:
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>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then?
>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks
>>>>>> for the will to take care of this!
>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend
>>>>>> this time on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in
>>>>>> case. I'd also like to hear opinions from the others
>>>>>> about how money donated to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe
>>>>>> someone else would also be able to spend some time on
>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware?
>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a
>>>>>>> good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is
>>>>>>> waaay past proof of concept. Users can test drive it
>>>>>>> for themselves. We could advertise at as funding for
>>>>>>> version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since I
>>>>>>> haven't been developing but it's a thought.
>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so
>>>>>> we don't frustrate anyone.
>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too honest.
>>>>> Others promise a better world and want money before they
>>>>> even know how to do it.
>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What
>>>>> about putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon as
>>>>> you know you can spend your time on
> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere between
> April (including) and July (including).
>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help us
>>>>> too much at the moment, since our main limit is not money
>>>>> but time. And more programmers ;)
> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some work.
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