From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  1 13:20:47 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:20:47 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Someone suggested changing the IRC link on the
	homepage
Message-ID: <200812011420.48016.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Might be worth it:


<Tuju> you could switch your irc url at 
http://www.kdenlive.org/content/2008-11-12-kdenlive-07-released to 
irc://irc.freenode.org/kdenlive which works in most desktops.

<a href="irc://irc.freenode.org/kdenlive">#kdenlive irc channel in 
freenode</a> works for everyone. :)

I think building a presence on IRC is good, and it is going in the right 
direction. So perhaps it was worth it, as it may work for people that does 
not reall know what IRC is, but will click it and their system will open a 
client, log in to the channel.

Regards

Mads

-- 

Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by
zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed
in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement, but few can
argue with it.
- Kenneth V. Lanning, Supervisory Special Agent at the Behavioral Science
Institution and Research Unit of the FBI Academy (from Carl Sagan's, The
Demon-Haunted World)




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  1 15:15:48 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:15:48 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Reorganizing Website(s)
In-Reply-To: <200811291722.21741.kdenlive@glokal.eu>
References: <200811291722.21741.kdenlive@glokal.eu>
Message-ID: <1228144548.11106.1.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 17:22 +0100, Hendrik wrote:
> Whew, I hope I didn't step on too many toes, I know not all of this
> will 
> happen, but if some of it finds consensus, I'm willing to help and
> also have a 
> bit of experience with Drupal.
> 
> Hendrik

Dear Henrick,

Your remarks are being processed. We will now be moving quickly to a
fully integrated environment including books, forums and unique ID.
Migration will happen shortly. Stay tuned. And thanks for your remarks.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  1 22:53:54 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:53:54 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
Message-ID: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

Here is the changelog from Kdenlive web site:
http://www.kdenlive.org/web-site-change-log

I hope that most of you can join and register for "Documentation writer"
role, which gives most editing rights on the website, to migrate from
the old wiki. Who is interested? Feel free to ask any question.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Tue Dec  2 07:35:46 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:35:46 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812020835.47067.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 01 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> Dear Friends,

Dear Jean-Michel

> 
> Here is the changelog from Kdenlive web site:
> http://www.kdenlive.org/web-site-change-log
> 
> I hope that most of you can join and register for "Documentation writer"
> role,

I can still login (madsdyd), but how do I register for that role?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S. no longer
is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy.
                               - H. Peter Anvin



From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec  2 07:50:30 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:50:30 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <200812020835.47067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
	<200812020835.47067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1228204230.8173.6.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 08:35 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> I can still login (madsdyd), but how do I register for that role?
Added your username to the role.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Tue Dec  2 19:38:02 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:38:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Updated Hungarian translation V2
In-Reply-To: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com>
References: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812022038.02528.mads@dydensborg.dk>

s?ndag 30 November 2008 skrev KAMI:
> Hi!
> 
> The updated Hungarian translation is attached.

Thanks. This has been added to SVN rev. 2750.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe
began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be
necessary to appeal to God to decide on how the universe began. This doesn't
prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary.
                       - Stephen W. Hawking (Der Spiegel, 1989)



From kami911 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 20:54:05 2008
From: kami911 at gmail.com (KAMI)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:54:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Updated Hungarian translation V2
In-Reply-To: <200812022038.02528.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com>
	<200812022038.02528.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <4935A06D.3060602@gmail.com>

Mads Bondo Dydensborg ?rta:
> s?ndag 30 November 2008 skrev KAMI:
>   
>> Hi!
>>
>> The updated Hungarian translation is attached.
>>     
>
> Thanks. This has been added to SVN rev. 2750.
>
> Regards
>
> Mads
>
>   
Thank you!


KAMI
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From soares.souza at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 21:34:25 2008
From: soares.souza at gmail.com (Marcelo Souza)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:34:25 -0300
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
Message-ID: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>


   portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR... :)

-- 
Marcelo Soares Souza
http://marcelo.cebacad.net
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From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec  3 07:52:02 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:52:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Updated Hungarian translation V2
In-Reply-To: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com>
References: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228290722.5667.1.camel@debian>

On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 20:57 +0100, KAMI wrote:
> The updated Hungarian translation is attached.
Dear Kami,

As usual, if you plan to update your translations from time to time, the
best would be to register on SourceForge, upload your ssh keys and
request SVN write access contacting us back or JB. 

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From kami911 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 10:04:28 2008
From: kami911 at gmail.com (KAMI)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:04:28 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Updated Hungarian translation V2
In-Reply-To: <1228290722.5667.1.camel@debian>
References: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com> <1228290722.5667.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <493659AC.9030205@gmail.com>

Dear Jean-Michel,

I have sf.net account with uploaded key. My name is "kami_"

So I am just reques SVN write acces.

If I commit here, it will go to upstream, won't it?

Regards,
KAMI

Jean-Michel Pour? ?rta:
> On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 20:57 +0100, KAMI wrote:
>   
>> The updated Hungarian translation is attached.
>>     
> Dear Kami,
>
> As usual, if you plan to update your translations from time to time, the
> best would be to register on SourceForge, upload your ssh keys and
> request SVN write access contacting us back or JB. 
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
>
>
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From steletch at free.fr  Wed Dec  3 10:20:05 2008
From: steletch at free.fr (=?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane_T=C3=A9letch=C3=A9a?=)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:20:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] The French manual link points to the German wiki
	...
Message-ID: <26501893.2327721228299605932.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net>

See at 

http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual

The link "Kdenlive French wiki." redirects to http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kdenlive instead of

http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kdenlive

Cheers,

St?phane



From jb at kdenlive.org  Wed Dec  3 11:19:45 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:19:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] The French manual link points to the German
	wiki ...
In-Reply-To: <26501893.2327721228299605932.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net>
References: <26501893.2327721228299605932.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <200812031219.45606.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Wednesday 03 December 2008 11.20:05 St?phane T?letch?a wrote:
> The link "Kdenlive French wiki." redirects to
> http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kdenlive instead of

Fixed, thanks
jb



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Wed Dec  3 16:23:05 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Install path for kdenlive_render?
Message-ID: <200812031723.05545.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

We have got a request from a debian qa guy on manpages. Please see
http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=420

Its easy enough to do and install a manpage for kdenlive.
However, for kdenlive_render - should end users call this?

My guess is "no" - and then, perhaps kdenlive_render should not be installed 
into /usr/bin. Your comments is quite welcome at this point.

Thanks,

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

But the Napster case is not just, or even mainly, about piracy. It is about
business models. The industry wants to stick to its old one - selling
expensive compact discs - and to protect it. But Napster's success shows
that there is a lot of appetite for a new model. The old model is legal, but
the new one is not, since the industry refuses to endorse it.

Artists' interests deserve legal protection, within limits; business models
do not.

       - The Economist, 2001.02.24



From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Wed Dec  3 17:35:36 2008
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:35:36 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Install path for kdenlive_render?
In-Reply-To: <200812031723.05545.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812031723.05545.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <4936C368.90300@free.fr>

Mads Bondo Dydensborg a ?crit :
> Hi all
> 
> We have got a request from a debian qa guy on manpages. Please see
> http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=420
> 
> Its easy enough to do and install a manpage for kdenlive.
> However, for kdenlive_render - should end users call this?
> 
> My guess is "no" - and then, perhaps kdenlive_render should not be installed 
> into /usr/bin. Your comments is quite welcome at this point.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mads

For me the question is less "should end users [be forbidden to] call this?" 
and more "could end users call this [if they so wish]?"

I would plead in favor of "yes, they could", or more precisely, in favor of 
"kdenlive_renderer and its relation to kdenlive should be documented".

But that's because I used my knowledge of that relation in order to 
circumvent a past bug where the profile (DV PAL or DV PAL WIDE) was badly 
passed to kdenlive_render, or kdenlive_render badly understood it; anyway, 
what I did was rename kdenlive_render and create an eponym bash script that 
analyzed its arguments and fixed them before calling the original 
kdenlive_render. This flexibility can only be useful if the user is aware of 
kdenlive_renderer and how it works, which means to me that kdenlive_render 
should be treated and advertized as a true application, in /usr/bin and with 
a man page at least.

Side note: wasn't there a plan to switch from kdenlive_render to inigo?

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 19:53:54 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Bugs Bane)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:53:54 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <1228204230.8173.6.camel@debian>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
	<200812020835.47067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228204230.8173.6.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <d90eeee60812031153ma300314ve5dbb497ebf67a2b@mail.gmail.com>

Could you add me as well JMP?

On 12/2/08, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 08:35 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
>> I can still login (madsdyd), but how do I register for that role?
> Added your username to the role.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
>
>
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From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec  3 20:21:50 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:21:50 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Install path for kdenlive_render?
In-Reply-To: <4936C368.90300@free.fr>
References: <200812031723.05545.mads@dydensborg.dk> <4936C368.90300@free.fr>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812031221p55a63df3g7043d46386016868@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
> Side note: wasn't there a plan to switch from kdenlive_render to inigo?

It uses inigo, but this is a wrapper that integrates with kuiserver.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 02:12:39 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:12:39 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Ustream fails KDE prez... So now he's switching to
	Kdenlive
Message-ID: <200812032112.40195.bugsbane@gmail.com>

Today on Aaron Siego's blog:

"I have kdenlive freshly installed from the SVN and will be seeing if that 
might be the doorway to a reasonable alternative."
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/12/ustream-failure.html

If ever there was a time to show our finest hour - this is it!



From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec  4 08:36:17 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:36:17 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <d90eeee60812031153ma300314ve5dbb497ebf67a2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
	<200812020835.47067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228204230.8173.6.camel@debian>
	<d90eeee60812031153ma300314ve5dbb497ebf67a2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228379777.12251.0.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 14:53 -0500, Bugs Bane wrote:
> Could you add me as well JMP?
No problem. What is your useraccount URL on kdenlive.org website?




From repli2dev at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 08:59:13 2008
From: repli2dev at gmail.com (repli2dev)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:59:13 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <1228204230.8173.6.camel@debian>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
	<200812020835.47067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228204230.8173.6.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <1e7e4a2e0812040059o61552a56mbd596c888398f6a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
please add me too to that role.

My nickname on kdenlive.org je repli2dev.

Thanks
Jan Dr?bek

2008/12/2 Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com>:
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 08:35 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
>> I can still login (madsdyd), but how do I register for that role?
> Added your username to the role.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes
> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world
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> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
>



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 16:14:14 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <1228379777.12251.0.camel@debian>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
	<d90eeee60812031153ma300314ve5dbb497ebf67a2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228379777.12251.0.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812041114.15442.bugsbane@gmail.com>

On Thursday 04 December 2008 03:36:17 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 14:53 -0500, Bugs Bane wrote:
> > Could you add me as well JMP?
>
> No problem. What is your useraccount URL on kdenlive.org website?

http://kdenlive.org/user/18
(cinephiliac)



From elhoir at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 20:24:36 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:24:36 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] svn-server web access
Message-ID: <42f232c80812041224g49779c19h3603f76658681177@mail.gmail.com>

in the previous website i used the link in the "download" section, but now i
cant find that link...
where can i acess the svn repo online from?
thanks
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From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Dec  4 20:38:18 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:38:18 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] svn-server web access
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812041224g49779c19h3603f76658681177@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42f232c80812041224g49779c19h3603f76658681177@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812042138.19225.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Thursday 04 December 2008 21.24:36 Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo wrote:
> in the previous website i used the link in the "download" section, but now
> i cant find that link...
> where can i acess the svn repo online from?

From the Download page, click on "install from sources", then "Installing 
Kdenlive from SVN", that will lead you to the page you are looking for:

http://kdenlive.org/developer-manual/installing-source/installing-kdenlive-svn

regards
jb




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec  4 20:54:19 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:54:19 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <200812041114.15442.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <1228172034.15505.3.camel@debian>
	<d90eeee60812031153ma300314ve5dbb497ebf67a2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228379777.12251.0.camel@debian>
	<200812041114.15442.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228424059.13768.3.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 11:14 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> http://kdenlive.org/user/18
> (cinephiliac)

Added to documentation writer role.
Get back to me in case of technical problem.

Cheers, JM




From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Thu Dec  4 21:27:10 2008
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
Message-ID: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>

Hi,

(Reproduced on today's SVN)

Sometimes when adding a TS file as a clip in a DV PAL project (don't know 
about others), the clip gets a size of 10 seconds even though the TS is 
45-odd minutes. Not every TS does that.

BTW, TS file extensions are not recognized by the clip open dialog: they 
don't show in the list, and I have to enter their name manually. Maybe 
that's somehow related, i.e., kdenlive is not supposed to support TS files?

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.



From dan at dennedy.org  Thu Dec  4 23:14:49 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:14:49 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
In-Reply-To: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>
References: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> (Reproduced on today's SVN)
>
> Sometimes when adding a TS file as a clip in a DV PAL project (don't know
> about others), the clip gets a size of 10 seconds even though the TS is
> 45-odd minutes. Not every TS does that.

Can you please make ~20 seconds available by reducing the file size
using 'dd' with a block size of 188? You can use 'ffmpeg -i the.ts' to
get the data rate. Then, to get the number of blocks to copy, convert
bitrate to bytes by dividing by 8, multiplying by 1024 for kilo,
multiply by 20 seconds, and divide by 188. ffmpeg -i your result
should show you if you are correct. Otherwise, you can also just
divide the original size by some factor, like say 90 to get ~30
seconds. Finally, attach it to a bug at kdenlive.org/mantis.

> BTW, TS file extensions are not recognized by the clip open dialog: they
> don't show in the list, and I have to enter their name manually. Maybe
> that's somehow related, i.e., kdenlive is not supposed to support TS files?

TS is supported, but only as good as FFmpeg does, which is decent, but
not great. Usually, it does not seek well, never had a duration issue
yet. Yes, last night I noticed that .ts was not support in the file
dialog either. To interested readers, .m2t is TS for HDV; .mts is TS
for AVCHD, but .ts is the more generic form.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Fri Dec  5 12:25:37 2008
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>
	<27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49391DC1.6070008@free.fr>

Dan Dennedy a ?crit :
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> (Reproduced on today's SVN)
>>
>> Sometimes when adding a TS file as a clip in a DV PAL project (don't know
>> about others), the clip gets a size of 10 seconds even though the TS is
>> 45-odd minutes. Not every TS does that.
> 
> Can you please make ~20 seconds available by reducing the file size
> using 'dd' with a block size of 188? You can use 'ffmpeg -i the.ts' to
> get the data rate. Then, to get the number of blocks to copy, convert
> bitrate to bytes by dividing by 8, multiplying by 1024 for kilo,
> multiply by 20 seconds, and divide by 188. ffmpeg -i your result
> should show you if you are correct. Otherwise, you can also just
> divide the original size by some factor, like say 90 to get ~30
> seconds. Finally, attach it to a bug at kdenlive.org/mantis.

20-odd seconds clip done according to your suggestion. However, its length 
is correctly shown -- but maybe that's normal when below 10 minutes, or 
maybe you can still diagnose the full clip issue from the 20-second one. Do 
you still want it attached to a bug report?

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.



From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec  5 17:30:09 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:30:09 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
In-Reply-To: <49391DC1.6070008@free.fr>
References: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>
	<27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>
	<49391DC1.6070008@free.fr>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812050930k6028d642m49635c05cdb16e4b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
> Dan Dennedy a ?crit :
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> (Reproduced on today's SVN)
>>>
>>> Sometimes when adding a TS file as a clip in a DV PAL project (don't know
>>> about others), the clip gets a size of 10 seconds even though the TS is
>>> 45-odd minutes. Not every TS does that.
>>
>> Can you please make ~20 seconds available by reducing the file size
>> using 'dd' with a block size of 188? You can use 'ffmpeg -i the.ts' to
>> get the data rate. Then, to get the number of blocks to copy, convert
>> bitrate to bytes by dividing by 8, multiplying by 1024 for kilo,
>> multiply by 20 seconds, and divide by 188. ffmpeg -i your result
>> should show you if you are correct. Otherwise, you can also just
>> divide the original size by some factor, like say 90 to get ~30
>> seconds. Finally, attach it to a bug at kdenlive.org/mantis.
>
> 20-odd seconds clip done according to your suggestion. However, its length
> is correctly shown -- but maybe that's normal when below 10 minutes, or
> maybe you can still diagnose the full clip issue from the 20-second one. Do
> you still want it attached to a bug report?

Heh, no, I need a clip that reproduces the issue, but obviously not 45
minutes if we can avoid that. I suggest just trying some different
lengths, and send the shortest one that demonstrates it. If it is too
long, try to post it somewhere for download.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 13:13:35 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:13:35 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of
	linuxvideo together....!!?!
Message-ID: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com>

Hi,

In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact 
that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there 
is still a long way to go imho.

I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g. 
synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd).
I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps 
which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work... 
Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but 
difficult commandline apps.

I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a 
couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is 
not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies.

I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work 
with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They  started a 
consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org

Linuxaudio.org has become a core organization in the world of linux 
audio. They have mailinglist for users to discuss how to work with the 
different linux audio apps to make music with. They have a mailinglist 
for developers to discuss how to improve linux audio and make nice linux 
audio apps. They have a linuxaudio conference each year to educate devs 
and users about linux audio apps and development.
Also the linux audio users share music with eachother here: 
http://lam.fugal.net/
And they make wiki's and howto's to teach others how to work with audio 
on linux.
(check http://linuxaudio.org/resources )

I think such a core organization is what the world of linux video really 
needs! If you could realize such a thing, I think linux video will 
improve a lot in the coming years, cause although I had a difficult 
week, I still believe in the possibilities of the linux video apps!

I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive, 
openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC 
chatchannels...

Don't get me wrong, I will not be the one who will build such a 
organization. I'm not a video artist or user that much... It's just my 
vision about how to improve linux video and a serious suggestion for you 
linux video lovers....

Thanks and Good luck!


\s



From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Sat Dec  6 16:56:35 2008
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:56:35 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812050930k6028d642m49635c05cdb16e4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>	<27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>	<49391DC1.6070008@free.fr>
	<27dd34e60812050930k6028d642m49635c05cdb16e4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493AAEC3.7020304@free.fr>

Dan Dennedy a ?crit :
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
>> Dan Dennedy a ?crit :
>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> (Reproduced on today's SVN)
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes when adding a TS file as a clip in a DV PAL project (don't know
>>>> about others), the clip gets a size of 10 seconds even though the TS is
>>>> 45-odd minutes. Not every TS does that.
>>> Can you please make ~20 seconds available by reducing the file size
>>> using 'dd' with a block size of 188? You can use 'ffmpeg -i the.ts' to
>>> get the data rate. Then, to get the number of blocks to copy, convert
>>> bitrate to bytes by dividing by 8, multiplying by 1024 for kilo,
>>> multiply by 20 seconds, and divide by 188. ffmpeg -i your result
>>> should show you if you are correct. Otherwise, you can also just
>>> divide the original size by some factor, like say 90 to get ~30
>>> seconds. Finally, attach it to a bug at kdenlive.org/mantis.
>> 20-odd seconds clip done according to your suggestion. However, its length
>> is correctly shown -- but maybe that's normal when below 10 minutes, or
>> maybe you can still diagnose the full clip issue from the 20-second one. Do
>> you still want it attached to a bug report?
> 
> Heh, no, I need a clip that reproduces the issue, but obviously not 45
> minutes if we can avoid that. I suggest just trying some different
> lengths, and send the shortest one that demonstrates it. If it is too
> long, try to post it somewhere for download.

Ok, took a little dichotomy but I got a <1M, 2-3 seconds long ts extract of 
the original 1GB file of 2-3 seconds which exhibits the "10 min" bug.

Filed as <http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=436>

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.



From dan at dennedy.org  Sat Dec  6 18:20:47 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:20:47 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
In-Reply-To: <493AAEC3.7020304@free.fr>
References: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>
	<27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>
	<49391DC1.6070008@free.fr>
	<27dd34e60812050930k6028d642m49635c05cdb16e4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<493AAEC3.7020304@free.fr>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812061020r67fffe24m8aba3d7c1bf09a9c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
> Ok, took a little dichotomy but I got a <1M, 2-3 seconds long ts extract of
> the original 1GB file of 2-3 seconds which exhibits the "10 min" bug.

The original bug report is "10 seconds" Now, it is minutes, seconds
was incorrect?



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sat Dec  6 21:44:09 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:44:09 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bugs summary - new updater
Message-ID: <200812062244.10511.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

Looking at the bugs "Summary" in mantis, the last month has been a bit hard on 
the status, with a net increase in the number of non-resolved bugs around 24. 

However, I am happy to say that Felix Hammer/doitux today has agreed to become 
an "updater" on mantis - welcome onboard!

Also, after a busy couple of weeks at work, I should have some more time, from 
now and until year end to do bug triage/minor jobs in SVN. So I am confident 
that we will get on top of it, and turn the number around. Jb have committed 
several changes that we/I yet have to confirm/commit to mantis - will try to 
get around to this ASAP. 

Mostly I just wanted to thank Felix for agreeing to become an updater!

Regards

Mads
 
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You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
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From f.hammer at gmx.de  Sat Dec  6 22:53:23 2008
From: f.hammer at gmx.de (Felix Hammer)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:53:23 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bugs summary - new updater
In-Reply-To: <200812062244.10511.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812062244.10511.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812062353.23509.f.hammer@gmx.de>

Hi all

Am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 schrieb Mads Bondo Dydensborg:
> However, I am happy to say that Felix Hammer/doitux today has agreed to
> become an "updater" on mantis - welcome onboard!
>
> Mostly I just wanted to thank Felix for agreeing to become an updater!
>
Thx for welcome me. I will do my best for the project.

best regards
Felix



From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Sun Dec  7 08:33:35 2008
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:33:35 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some .TS clips are... clipped to 10 seconds
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812061020r67fffe24m8aba3d7c1bf09a9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49384B2E.3020004@free.fr>	<27dd34e60812041514q4b82b3e4mdfd604f3602f975e@mail.gmail.com>	<49391DC1.6070008@free.fr>	<27dd34e60812050930k6028d642m49635c05cdb16e4b@mail.gmail.com>	<493AAEC3.7020304@free.fr>
	<27dd34e60812061020r67fffe24m8aba3d7c1bf09a9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493B8A5F.6040703@free.fr>

Dan Dennedy a ?crit :
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
>> Ok, took a little dichotomy but I got a <1M, 2-3 seconds long ts extract of
>> the original 1GB file of 2-3 seconds which exhibits the "10 min" bug.
> 
> The original bug report is "10 seconds" Now, it is minutes, seconds
> was incorrect?

My mistake, that was ten minutes.

Apparently the issue is that ffmpeg cannot determine the clip duration for 
some reason due to the clip content, i.e. whatever TS extract contains that 
clip causes the issue.

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sun Dec  7 09:49:02 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:49:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] General patterns in the wishlist items
In-Reply-To: <200811232222.05719.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <200811232222.05719.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812071049.02800.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 24 November 2008 skrev Cinephiliac:

> Looking at the list of wishlists in Mantis right now, it really looks quite 
> huge and overwhelming, however, going through and triaging most of the bugs 
in 
> there, I've noticed that the majority of them actually fall into one of only 
a 
> couple of categories in order.
> 
> 1. Keyframe editing of effects (there's a lot of these)
> 2. Making the render dialogue more flexible and simple.
> 3. Improved display and manipulation of tracks for audio.
> 4. Shortcuts

I think there might now be an additional one-or-two issues:
5. Add a crossfade transition (perhaps make composite crossfade by default)
6. Crossfade audio on transitions

I am not totally sure, but I think we should do 5 for reasons of 
ease-of-use... And 6 is mostly because it is cumbersome for users to fiddle 
with fade-in/outs manually whenever they do a transition.

Perhaps it would be an idea to go through the feature requests and collect 
them in these groups?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

United States Patent 6,368,227:
A method of swing on a swing is disclosed, in which a user positioned on a
standard swing suspended by two chains from a substantially horizontal tree
branch induces side to side motion by pulling alternately on one chain and
then the other. 
            -- This is not a joke - go look it up.



From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec  7 20:16:05 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:16:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
Message-ID: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

As part of our plans, we migrated PhpBB forum to Drupal.
You should be able to login directly on kdenlive.org and the forum.

On the log, I saw some loggin errors.
Can anyone confirm that loggin works well?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sun Dec  7 21:00:20 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:00:20 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>

s?ndag 07 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> As part of our plans, we migrated PhpBB forum to Drupal.
> You should be able to login directly on kdenlive.org and the forum.
> 
> On the log, I saw some loggin errors.
> Can anyone confirm that loggin works well?

I have been able to login without problems (when I typed the right 
password...)

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion." -George Washington, November 4, 1796

"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor
should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
                          -George H. W. Bush, August 27, 1987



From schoappied at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 23:24:44 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:24:44 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Help needed...
Message-ID: <493C5B3C.5090701@gmail.com>

Ok, brace yourself ;)

I've a dvd here... it's a funeral, not a very sad one cause my grandma 
has reach the age of 99... ;)
It's a dutch traditional funeral...

A friend om my father has made a dvd but in the first chapter and the 
first half of the second are not good synchronized.. That's a pity cause 
its contains talks from my father and his sister.


I tried to get it right with cinelerra, kdenlive, videotrans, 
qdvdauthor, avidemux and devede... But I didn't succeed and I have 
definitely reach my limit after one full week work on it...

The dvd contains these files:

cdrom0/VIDEO_TS$ ls
VIDEO_TS.BUP  VIDEO_TS.IFO  VIDEO_TS.VOB  VTS_01_0.BUP  VTS_01_0.IFO  
VTS_01_1.VOB  VTS_01_2.VOB  VTS_01_3.VOB  VTS_01_4.VOB  VTS_01_5.VOB

These files need to be edit (e.g. synchronize the sound and video, the 
sound should be 'delayed' with -1,6 sec)

TS_01_1.VOB  VTS_01_2.VOB

I'm mailing you guys cause maybe there is someone on the list who is a 
experience video editor and can help me out with it in a pretty short time.

If so, I would be really glad. I can send you the files and maybe you 
can make a *.iso file of it and send it back.

Thanks in advance,

\s





From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec  8 06:04:23 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:04:23 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] General patterns in the wishlist items
In-Reply-To: <200812071049.02800.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200811232222.05719.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812071049.02800.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812072204g76d19979r703ff4ceb3f3e85a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
<mads at dydensborg.dk> wrote:
> I think there might now be an additional one-or-two issues:
> 5. Add a crossfade transition (perhaps make composite crossfade by default)
> 6. Crossfade audio on transitions
>
> I am not totally sure, but I think we should do 5 for reasons of
> ease-of-use...

You mean video crossfade, i.e. dissolve? I use dissolve personally to
prevent confusion over audio vs. video. The point here is to make
something with that label so people do not think it is missing? I
agree.

> And 6 is mostly because it is cumbersome for users to fiddle
> with fade-in/outs manually whenever they do a transition.

I agree. The three most common edits are cut (none), dissolve with
crossfade, and fade to/from black (or at least they should be ;-). We
should make these as quick and easy as possible. I think it would be
just fine to automatically create the audio level key frames whenever
a transition is added. Just make sure to use the currently set audio
level at time X instead of assuming it is 1.0. The user may have
adjusted their audio levels prior to adding the transition, and we
don't want to screw that up.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 07:03:21 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:03:21 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
	<200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>

On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 22:00 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> I have been able to login without problems (when I typed the right 
> password...)

Dear Mads,

It seems that you registered a few weeks ago:
http://kdenlive.org/users/madsdyd

I would like to know if previous users of PhpBB were able to log in the
new web site. It sounds not, reading the log, I find a lot of login
errors.

I will contact users individualy.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 07:27:02 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:27:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] General patterns in the wishlist items
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812072204g76d19979r703ff4ceb3f3e85a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811232222.05719.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812071049.02800.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<27dd34e60812072204g76d19979r703ff4ceb3f3e85a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812080827.03177.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Dan Dennedy:
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
> <mads at dydensborg.dk> wrote:
> > I think there might now be an additional one-or-two issues:
> > 5. Add a crossfade transition (perhaps make composite crossfade by 
default)
> > 6. Crossfade audio on transitions
> >
> > I am not totally sure, but I think we should do 5 for reasons of
> > ease-of-use...
> 
> You mean video crossfade, i.e. dissolve? I use dissolve personally to
> prevent confusion over audio vs. video. The point here is to make
> something with that label so people do not think it is missing? I
> agree.

Yes - several people in both forums and IRC have asked for it, and it takes 
some explaining to get them to understand the power and flexibility of the 
composite transition. Lots of people probably miss it completely. So, a 
composite in disguise would be fine with me. (Off topic: I recall the gimp, 
where literraly 1000's of people have asked about creating simple geometric 
figures along the years, and the gimp developers keep insisting that creating 
a mask using selections, and whatnot, is the perfect approach to drawing a 
circle).

Dissolve or crossfade, your call. In Danish the technical term 
is "krydsbl?nde", which no new user will know, but which is strictly a visual 
term, ie. no builtin ambigity.

> 
> > And 6 is mostly because it is cumbersome for users to fiddle
> > with fade-in/outs manually whenever they do a transition.
> 
> I agree. The three most common edits are cut (none), dissolve with
> crossfade, and fade to/from black (or at least they should be ;-). We
> should make these as quick and easy as possible. I think it would be
> just fine to automatically create the audio level key frames whenever
> a transition is added. Just make sure to use the currently set audio
> level at time X instead of assuming it is 1.0. The user may have
> adjusted their audio levels prior to adding the transition, and we
> don't want to screw that up.

Agreed. We might also need some mechanism to keep the fades synchronized with 
any (length) changes to the transition though?

Regards

Mads


-- 
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You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
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intellectual property or other rights of these parties, violate any state,
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From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 08:57:57 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:57:57 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
	<200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812080057x3c6e7eb9s6890d77d67580004@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/8, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com>:
>
>  I would like to know if previous users of PhpBB were able to log in the
>  new web site. It sounds not, reading the log, I find a lot of login
>  errors.
It wasn't possible to log in for me using nither my user/password nor
my openID account (witch never worked)
-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com

From soares.souza at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:04:20 2008
From: soares.souza at gmail.com (Marcelo Souza)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:04:20 -0300
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493CE314.3010608@gmail.com>

Marcelo Souza wrote:
> 
>   portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR... :)
> 

   Hi, please anyone can send comments about my translation? :)


-- 
Abra?os
Marcelo Soares Souza
http://marcelo.cebacad.net



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 09:16:44 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:16:44 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <493CE314.3010608@gmail.com>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com> <493CE314.3010608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812081016.44235.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Marcelo Souza:
> Marcelo Souza wrote:
> > 
> >   portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR... :)
> > 
> 
>    Hi, please anyone can send comments about my translation? :)

Sorry, its been on my todo - I am on it, brb.

Regards

Mads


-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to
the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers
to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of patent
protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich
nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits
the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to
impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development.
But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the past.
                           - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 09:25:05 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:25:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <200812081016.44235.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com> <493CE314.3010608@gmail.com>
	<200812081016.44235.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Mads Bondo Dydensborg:
> mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Marcelo Souza:
> > Marcelo Souza wrote:
> > > 
> > >   portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR... :)
> > > 
> > 
> >    Hi, please anyone can send comments about my translation? :)
> 
> Sorry, its been on my todo - I am on it, brb.

Added to svn rev. 2763 - thanks a lot, sorry about the delay. 

As usual; please consider joining sourceforge, upload a set of ssh keys, and 
request svn write access if you would like to be able to maintain your 
translation without having to go through this list/the issue tracker.

Thanks again

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S. no longer
is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy.
                               - H. Peter Anvin




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 09:28:58 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:28:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Creating a kdenlive-translation list?
Message-ID: <200812081028.58555.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi

With the recent additions of translations (Hungarian, Slovenian, Hebrew and 
portuguese (brazil)) Kdenlive is now translated into 13 languages.

I was wondering if there was a basis to create a kdenlive-translation list to 
manage the dialog between the core team and translators? Patches, string 
freeze discussion, other stuff. Maybe even carry some of the web site 
translation discussion?

We could encourage translation submitters to join this list, obviously, so we 
would have an easy means to reach them, when we enter string freezes, that 
sort of thing.

Comments?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Philosopher's syndrome: mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight
into necessity.
      - Daniel Dennett (could also be said of others than philosphers)




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 10:01:08 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:01:08 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Direct filming to computer using video4linux
Message-ID: <1228730468.13648.3.camel@debian>

Dear friends,

I am writing and reviewing Kdenlive overview page:
http://www.kdenlive.org/about-kdenlive/video-editing-made-easy

I would like to make a screenshot of Kdenlive using video4linux device.

My old DV cam supports USB streaming, 
but I cannot initiate the dialog.

Any idea how to test it?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 10:08:50 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:08:50 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Creating a kdenlive-translation list?
In-Reply-To: <200812081028.58555.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812081028.58555.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1228730930.13648.11.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 10:28 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> With the recent additions of translations (Hungarian, Slovenian,
> Hebrew and 
> portuguese (brazil)) Kdenlive is now translated into 13 languages.
> 
> I was wondering if there was a basis to create a kdenlive-translation
> list to 
> manage the dialog between the core team and translators? Patches,
> string 
> freeze discussion, other stuff. Maybe even carry some of the web site 
> translation discussion?
> 
> We could encourage translation submitters to join this list,
> obviously, so we 
> would have an easy means to reach them, when we enter string freezes,
> that 
> sort of thing.
> 
> Comments?

Dear Mads,

We plan manage kdenlive POT and translations using Drupal integrated
translation systems, called I10n server. The module is loaded on
Kdenlive website. But not yet implemented.

Until this module is implemented, I recommend that each translator is
proposed write access to Kdenlive SVN. To say frankly, it is nearly a
requirement. After first delivery, we should offer SVN access
immediately and verify that the translator is able to commit.

There is no enough traffic to create a seperate list for languages. This
will probably split efforts. Management will be done on Drupal, so the
solution will be to use:
http://kdenlive.org/forum/developers-forums/translation-issues

This forum will probably be used for managing our future translations.

I know this is quite frustrating to wait for integration of features on
Drupal, but actually I am working 12 hours a day to get things done.

Stay tuned.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 10:38:53 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:38:53 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Creating a kdenlive-translation list?
In-Reply-To: <1228730930.13648.11.camel@debian>
References: <200812081028.58555.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228730930.13648.11.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812081138.54201.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> 
> We plan manage kdenlive POT and translations using Drupal integrated
> translation systems, called I10n server. The module is loaded on
> Kdenlive website. But not yet implemented.

OK!

> I know this is quite frustrating to wait for integration of features on
> Drupal, but actually I am working 12 hours a day to get things done.

I am not at all frustrated, I think you are doing a great job! Things take 
time.

It was just a suggestion of the top of my head, please disregard it. :-)

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
way of women's emancipation." 
                           - Elizabeth Cady Stanton




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 13:54:07 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:54:07 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812080057x3c6e7eb9s6890d77d67580004@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
	<200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812080057x3c6e7eb9s6890d77d67580004@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228744447.24458.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 09:57 +0100, Salvatore brigaglia wrote:
> It wasn't possible to log in for me using nither my user/password nor
> my openID account (witch never worked)

There may have been a problem. We can probably fix it. What is your
username on PhpBB forum? Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 14:26:01 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:26:01 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Charset issue during compiling
Message-ID: <1228746361.26253.0.camel@debian>

Scanning dependencies of target pofiles
[106%] Generating kdenlive.gmo
kdenlive.po: warning: Charset "CHARSET" is not a portable encoding name.
                      Message conversion to user's charset might not
work.

Kind regards,
JMP




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 14:45:34 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:45:34 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Charset issue during compiling
In-Reply-To: <1228746361.26253.0.camel@debian>
References: <1228746361.26253.0.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812081545.34254.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> Scanning dependencies of target pofiles
> [106%] Generating kdenlive.gmo
> kdenlive.po: warning: Charset "CHARSET" is not a portable encoding name.
>                       Message conversion to user's charset might not
> work.

my bad, fixed, thanks.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe
began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be
necessary to appeal to God to decide on how the universe began. This doesn't
prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary.
                       - Stephen W. Hawking (Der Spiegel, 1989)




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 15:29:27 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:29:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <1228744447.24458.0.camel@debian>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
	<200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812080057x3c6e7eb9s6890d77d67580004@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228744447.24458.0.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812080729s470b1cbal61f8ad8fcc2820e6@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/8 Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com>:

> There may have been a problem. We can probably fix it. What is your
> username on PhpBB forum? Kind regards, Jean-Michel

opensourcecat
-- 
-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com

From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 15:43:00 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:43:00 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812080729s470b1cbal61f8ad8fcc2820e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
	<200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812080057x3c6e7eb9s6890d77d67580004@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228744447.24458.0.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812080729s470b1cbal61f8ad8fcc2820e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812080743p2abdc41cuc1afba9a74a5b023@mail.gmail.com>

I was finally able to log-in by requesting a new password. Now it's working fine

-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 16:38:13 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:38:13 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Migrating PhpBB forum to Drupal
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812080743p2abdc41cuc1afba9a74a5b023@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228680965.15670.2.camel@debian>
	<200812072200.20491.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1228719801.5453.1.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812080057x3c6e7eb9s6890d77d67580004@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228744447.24458.0.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812080729s470b1cbal61f8ad8fcc2820e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812080743p2abdc41cuc1afba9a74a5b023@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228754293.7758.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:43 +0100, Salvatore brigaglia wrote:
> I was finally able to log-in by requesting a new password. Now it's
> working fine

I think that most users will have to request a new password.
I don't have access to the database, but it seems like md5 were not
correctly migrated.

Kind regards,
JM




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 16:42:00 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:42:00 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] News from the website development
In-Reply-To: <00032557a0d6c7c8e2045d8a0188@google.com>
References: <00032557a0d6c7c8e2045d8a0188@google.com>
Message-ID: <1228754520.7758.4.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 14:40 +0000, Piers.Duruz at gmail.com wrote:
> Seems to work perfectly for me. The only issue I see is a general one,
> which is that on my old laptop (1024x768 resolution) that the forum
> extends behind the right hand column. Is there any way to turn the
> right hand column off in the forum area, or shift it's contents to the
> left column, or do we just live with that for small monitors?

Hello Piers,

I was planing to migrate to a full XDHTML theme, with upper menu and
therefore only two panes. This is on website to-to-list here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/website-changelog

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec  8 17:18:52 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:18:52 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Direct filming to computer using video4linux
In-Reply-To: <1228730468.13648.3.camel@debian>
References: <1228730468.13648.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812080918n177762f6gb1eef6983a87179c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I am writing and reviewing Kdenlive overview page:
> http://www.kdenlive.org/about-kdenlive/video-editing-made-easy
>
> I would like to make a screenshot of Kdenlive using video4linux device.
>
> My old DV cam supports USB streaming,

Do you have any more information about this - what is "USB streaming?"
Have you used it before with another V4L app?

> but I cannot initiate the dialog.
>
> Any idea how to test it?

To test the camera or the capture monitor? To test the capture
monitor, you can load the vivi kernel module. It is a V4L module that
synthesizes color bars with a timecode burned in.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 19:05:01 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:05:01 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Direct filming to computer using video4linux
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812080918n177762f6gb1eef6983a87179c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228730468.13648.3.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812080918n177762f6gb1eef6983a87179c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228763101.13999.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 09:18 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> Do you have any more information about this - what is "USB streaming?"
> Have you used it before with another V4L app?

I already used USB streaming with a webcam.




From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec  8 19:45:15 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:45:15 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Direct filming to computer using video4linux
In-Reply-To: <1228763101.13999.0.camel@debian>
References: <1228730468.13648.3.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812080918n177762f6gb1eef6983a87179c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228763101.13999.0.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812081145o70a9ca21l44e3823fd0ef8366@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 09:18 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> Do you have any more information about this - what is "USB streaming?"
>> Have you used it before with another V4L app?
>
> I already used USB streaming with a webcam.

I am sorry, but that is meaningless. There is no specification called
"USB Streaming." That is a marketing term for something potentially
non-standard. You can not assume that since one thing called "USB
Streaming" worked therefore anything called "USB Streaming" should
work. OTOH, there is a specification called "USB Video Class" and
there is a V4L2 kernel module for this called uvcvideo. However, there
are different payload types defined by that standard and not all V4L2
apps are prepared to handle all the various payload types and pixel
formats. FFmpeg ought to to be able to support all of them; however, I
am not certain it is prepared to. A brief scan of its code leads me to
believe it only supports uncompressed. More interestingly, the
uvcvideo module does not yet support MPEG2-TS, which I expect to be
second most common after uncompressed, but that is just a guess. More
info here:

http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/

-- 
+-DRD-+



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 19:53:30 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:53:30 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Install path for kdenlive_render?
In-Reply-To: <4936C368.90300@free.fr>
References: <200812031723.05545.mads@dydensborg.dk> <4936C368.90300@free.fr>
Message-ID: <200812082053.31919.mads@dydensborg.dk>

onsdag 03 December 2008 skrev Albert ARIBAUD:

> > We have got a request from a debian qa guy on manpages. Please see
> > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=420
> > 
> 
> I would plead in favor of "yes, they could", or more precisely, in favor of 
> "kdenlive_renderer and its relation to kdenlive should be documented".

FYI: this has now be done.

> Side note: wasn't there a plan to switch from kdenlive_render to inigo?

As written elsewhere, kdenlive_render does more than simply call inigo. 
However, we may want to consider using mlt libs instead of inigo(???), 
especially in relation to e.g. something like: 
http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=345
Capture inigo error to log or screen

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The low quality of [MP3] files should prevent this format from threatening
control of our intellectual property. Why would anyone listen to a sub-CD
quality song when they can easily buy the CD at the local Tower Records?
                               - RIAA head, Hillary Rosen, March 1997



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 20:01:29 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:01:29 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Fwd: relative paths in project files
In-Reply-To: <200811240301.00830.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <200811140033.10626.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<200811232351.28237.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<200811240301.00830.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812082101.30119.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 24 November 2008 skrev Alberto Villa:
> works fine! but i think that someone should emit projectModified() (if it's 
> the name... well, the signal which activates the save button))... maybe 
> setNewClipResource()?

Am I right in assuming that this functionality is now part of Kdenlive SVN, 
and AFAICT works correctly?

If that is the case, I want to add it to the Changelog :-)

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  
               - Ben Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec  8 20:12:19 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:12:19 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Ask for users to delete their kdenliverc on
	upgrade?
Message-ID: <200812082112.19750.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi there

There is a specific issue with http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=424 
that touches on something more general. In the specific issue, a wrong 
setting for capture from v4l will have been stored in the users kdenliverc 
and will therefore be used after an upgrade.

How should this be solved? One solution is to ask users to delete their 
kdenliverc when updating - not very elegant, but seen before. Another would 
be to update the users rc file. A third is to never store a value that is 
default into a setting file, only store *non* default settings.

A fourth is to just ignore it :-) At this point, I think we have better things 
to use our energy on, but perhaps we could implement 
the "never-store-default-values" from some point in the future.

Comments?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to
the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers
to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of patent
protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich
nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits
the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to
impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development.
But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the past.
                           - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec  8 20:44:58 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:44:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive tutorials on website
Message-ID: <1228769098.18990.2.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

I added a custom "video-tutorial" page to Kdenlive web site. Here is a
first try: http://www.kdenlive.org/tutorial/my-first-tutorial-bliptv

Tomorrow I will design custom views to display and search tutorials, and
work on taxonomy to tag tutorials. Then I will add a menu entry.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 20:48:36 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:48:36 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] roadmap for 0.7.1
Message-ID: <a975c7820812081248j7834542eg42459127e671661b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

Are there some plans about string freezing for the 0.7.1? When have
translators to expect an updated and freezed .pot file to update their
.po from?

regards
-- 
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Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 21:50:05 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:50:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel]  relative paths in project files
In-Reply-To: <dfe7d2900812081348q7a1612c6h27498ba376da0522@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811140033.10626.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<200811232351.28237.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<200811240301.00830.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<200812082101.30119.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<dfe7d2900812081348q7a1612c6h27498ba376da0522@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfe7d2900812081350l1c693cd0w3aece35e6a2638ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
<mads at dydensborg.dk> wrote:
> Am I right in assuming that this functionality is now part of Kdenlive SVN,
> and AFAICT works correctly?

it worked well for me with the patch you've just added, but i'm going
to test it tomorrow
there's obviously a problem with old included .westley files, but i
still don't know anything about them (i think they don't even work
with correct paths... i'll try)... will they be supported? i've read
of virtual clips coming back to kdenlive: same thing?

> If that is the case, I want to add it to the Changelog :-)

i'm waiting for kde 4.2 beta 1 (or 2) to be added to freebsd ports to
implement the nepomuk thing, but that can be added as another point
--
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec  8 21:57:18 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Ask for users to delete their kdenliverc on
	upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <200812082112.19750.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812082112.19750.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812081357t237aaea1l8b8fa034df17d4e7@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
<mads at dydensborg.dk> wrote:
> Hi there
>
> There is a specific issue with http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=424
> that touches on something more general. In the specific issue, a wrong
> setting for capture from v4l will have been stored in the users kdenliverc
> and will therefore be used after an upgrade.
>
> How should this be solved? One solution is to ask users to delete their
> kdenliverc when updating - not very elegant, but seen before. Another would
> be to update the users rc file. A third is to never store a value that is
> default into a setting file, only store *non* default settings.

Another way is to change the key name whenever the default changes in
a major way (not simply an enhancement). This is virtually an
automatic reset for that field - should be easy, no?

-- 
+-DRD-+



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Tue Dec  9 07:17:54 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:17:54 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Ask for users to delete their kdenliverc on
	upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812081357t237aaea1l8b8fa034df17d4e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200812082112.19750.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<27dd34e60812081357t237aaea1l8b8fa034df17d4e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812090817.54487.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 08 December 2008 skrev Dan Dennedy:

> > How should this be solved? One solution is to ask users to delete their
> > kdenliverc when updating - not very elegant, but seen before. Another 
would
> > be to update the users rc file. A third is to never store a value that is
> > default into a setting file, only store *non* default settings.
> 
> Another way is to change the key name whenever the default changes in
> a major way (not simply an enhancement). This is virtually an
> automatic reset for that field - should be easy, no?

You are right. Perhaps the simplest of all.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S. no longer
is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy.
                               - H. Peter Anvin



From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec  9 12:30:49 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:30:49 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Online tutorials on Kdenlive.org
Message-ID: <1228825849.5682.5.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

I am happy to announce the availibility of a new tutorial space on
Kdenlive.org web site. Here is some information:

1) Tutorials are here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/tutorial

2) For technical reasons, I had to remove existing passwords to get back
to normal Drupal md5. To connect to kdenlive.org, request a new
password: http://kdenlive.org/user/password

3) Tutorials can be added by any registered user.

4) Admins and documentation writers can validate tutorials and push them
for publication. I am working on a simplified administration platform.

5) I rename and published a "Contribution guide":
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual

A section will explain how to publish tutorials.

I can only encourage main hackers and members from the list to register
as documentation writer on kdenlive.org.

A more detailed log is here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/website-changelog

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From herrej01 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 22:50:42 2008
From: herrej01 at gmail.com (Juan M)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Online tutorials on Kdenlive.org
Message-ID: <adffb5140812091450j36664a86od531a08a5ef63aca@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jean-Michel,

can you please add me as doc. writer to the website ?

My kdenlive username: herrej01

Thanks and regards.
JM

------------------------

5) I rename and published a "Contribution guide":
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual

A section will explain how to publish tutorials.

I can only encourage main hackers and members from the list to register
as documentation writer on kdenlive.org.
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From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec  9 23:05:03 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:03 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Online tutorials on Kdenlive.org
In-Reply-To: <adffb5140812091450j36664a86od531a08a5ef63aca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adffb5140812091450j36664a86od531a08a5ef63aca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228863903.13356.2.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:50 +0100, Juan M wrote:
> Hi Jean-Michel,
> 
> can you please add me as doc. writer to the website ?
> 
> My kdenlive username: herrej01
> 
> Thanks and regards.
> JM
> 

Done, thank you very much.
Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:08:42 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:08:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Online tutorials on Kdenlive.org
In-Reply-To: <1228863903.13356.2.camel@debian>
References: <adffb5140812091450j36664a86od531a08a5ef63aca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228863903.13356.2.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812100608x4880b69do9e0c083c61a9929c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/10 Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com>:
> On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:50 +0100, Juan M wrote:
>> Hi Jean-Michel,
>>
>> can you please add me as doc. writer to the website ?
>>

Wuold you add me as well?

I'm opensourcecat

TNX

-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com

From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:21:45 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:21:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
Message-ID: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>

I'v just updated everything to latest svn (FFmpeg, MLT and Kdenlive).

I am experiencing a startup crash witch occurs after the first-run wizard.

Attached the gdb output

If it is the case i'll report a bug

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From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 10 14:38:45 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Online tutorials on Kdenlive.org
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812100608x4880b69do9e0c083c61a9929c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adffb5140812091450j36664a86od531a08a5ef63aca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228863903.13356.2.camel@debian>
	<a975c7820812100608x4880b69do9e0c083c61a9929c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228919925.27482.0.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 15:08 +0100, Salvatore brigaglia wrote:
> Wuold you add me as well?
> 
> I'm opensourcecat
> 

Done, thank you very much.
I saw your cat on the Google Map :)




From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 17:41:24 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:24 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org (?)
 to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>

schoappied wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact 
> that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there 
> is still a long way to go imho.
>
> I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g. 
> synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd).
> I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps 
> which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work... 
> Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but 
> difficult commandline apps.
>
> I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a 
> couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is 
> not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies.
>
> I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work 
> with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They  started a 
> consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org
>
> Linuxaudio.org has become a core organization in the world of linux 
> audio. They have mailinglist for users to discuss how to work with the 
> different linux audio apps to make music with. They have a mailinglist 
> for developers to discuss how to improve linux audio and make nice linux 
> audio apps. They have a linuxaudio conference each year to educate devs 
> and users about linux audio apps and development.
> Also the linux audio users share music with eachother here: 
> http://lam.fugal.net/
> And they make wiki's and howto's to teach others how to work with audio 
> on linux.
> (check http://linuxaudio.org/resources )
>
> I think such a core organization is what the world of linux video really 
> needs! If you could realize such a thing, I think linux video will 
> improve a lot in the coming years, cause although I had a difficult 
> week, I still believe in the possibilities of the linux video apps!
>
> I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive, 
> openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC 
> chatchannels...
>
> Don't get me wrong, I will not be the one who will build such a 
> organization. I'm not a video artist or user that much... It's just my 
> vision about how to improve linux video and a serious suggestion for you 
> linux video lovers....
>
> Thanks and Good luck!
>
>
> \s
>
> ---
More and more people are telling me it's a good idea. There is a active 
discussion about this topic on cinelerra mailinglist. Please join if you 
are interested in the project and like to support it or want to discuss 
it from the Kdenlive-point-of-view or openvideoeditor-point-of-view.

check the discussion: 
http://e.kevb.net/lurker/thread/20081210.164807.6f1dd9c4.en.html
Subsribe here: 
https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra

Kind regards,

\s



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 10 20:39:59 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:59 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812101239p458f57ecob4bbcfad96ef6c26@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Salvatore brigaglia
<opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'v just updated everything to latest svn (FFmpeg, MLT and Kdenlive).
>
> I am experiencing a startup crash witch occurs after the first-run wizard.

Did you clean the sources before making?

-- 
+-DRD-+



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 21:07:04 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:07:04 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812101239p458f57ecob4bbcfad96ef6c26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812101239p458f57ecob4bbcfad96ef6c26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812101307m2ab9446ew209f934dc079ea69@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/10 Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org>:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Salvatore brigaglia
> <opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'v just updated everything to latest svn (FFmpeg, MLT and Kdenlive).
>>
>> I am experiencing a startup crash witch occurs after the first-run wizard.
>
> Did you clean the sources before making?
>

I think so. But to be sure i will re-build everything tonight.
-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 21:52:06 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:06 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org (?)
	to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com> <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812101652.06527.bugsbane@gmail.com>

Oops! Sorry for that empty post. Anyway, your suggestion sounds good to me if 
someone is game to maintain it.

I do wonder if this role could be filled though by helping out in expanding one 
of the sites that already exists, but isn't doing this so actively yet?

Linuxvideography.com springs to mind.



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 21:45:19 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:19 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org (?)
	to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com> <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812101645.19639.bugsbane@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 10 December 2008 12:41:24 schoappied wrote:
> schoappied wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact
> > that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there
> > is still a long way to go imho.
> >
> > I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g.
> > synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd).
> > I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps
> > which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work...
> > Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but
> > difficult commandline apps.
> >
> > I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a
> > couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is
> > not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies.
> >
> > I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work
> > with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They  started a
> > consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check
> > www.linuxaudio.org
> >
> > Linuxaudio.org has become a core organization in the world of linux
> > audio. They have mailinglist for users to discuss how to work with the
> > different linux audio apps to make music with. They have a mailinglist
> > for developers to discuss how to improve linux audio and make nice linux
> > audio apps. They have a linuxaudio conference each year to educate devs
> > and users about linux audio apps and development.
> > Also the linux audio users share music with eachother here:
> > http://lam.fugal.net/
> > And they make wiki's and howto's to teach others how to work with audio
> > on linux.
> > (check http://linuxaudio.org/resources )
> >
> > I think such a core organization is what the world of linux video really
> > needs! If you could realize such a thing, I think linux video will
> > improve a lot in the coming years, cause although I had a difficult
> > week, I still believe in the possibilities of the linux video apps!
> >
> > I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive,
> > openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC
> > chatchannels...
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I will not be the one who will build such a
> > organization. I'm not a video artist or user that much... It's just my
> > vision about how to improve linux video and a serious suggestion for you
> > linux video lovers....
> >
> > Thanks and Good luck!
> >
> >
> > \s
> >
> > ---
>
> More and more people are telling me it's a good idea. There is a active
> discussion about this topic on cinelerra mailinglist. Please join if you
> are interested in the project and like to support it or want to discuss
> it from the Kdenlive-point-of-view or openvideoeditor-point-of-view.
>
> check the discussion:
> http://e.kevb.net/lurker/thread/20081210.164807.6f1dd9c4.en.html
> Subsribe here:
> https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
>
> Kind regards,
>
> \s
>
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From bugsbane at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 21:56:28 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:56:28 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
Message-ID: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>

If so, it would be great to see if we can reproduce either issue 432 or issue 
446. I can't as I don't have access to any of these kinds of clips.

Thanks!



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 10 22:32:39 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:32:39 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org (?)
	to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <200812101652.06527.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com> <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
	<200812101652.06527.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812101432v33925575w826eb3399fc129ad@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Cinephiliac <bugsbane at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oops! Sorry for that empty post. Anyway, your suggestion sounds good to me if
> someone is game to maintain it.
>
> I do wonder if this role could be filled though by helping out in expanding one
> of the sites that already exists, but isn't doing this so actively yet?

I agree. In fact, if there are to be web forums, it might be
interesting to have general as well as app-specific ones. Also, I
would be willing to redirect Kino and MLT to this comprehensive site's
forum. That way, it would expose it more and people would have a
tendency to explore alternative solutions.

> Linuxvideography.com springs to mind.

I do not believe I ever ran across that, but I do think it is very
straightforward and a good start. Unfortunately, I could not find
anything about its webmaster if we want to make contact. I suggest we
nominate additional sites along the same line just to see what else. I
do not know anything better. There is a list that is for "graphics"
but dead as well as this forum:

http://forums.creativecow.net/forum/linuxmedia

-- 
+-DRD-+



From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 22:42:53 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:42:53 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org (?)
 to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812101432v33925575w826eb3399fc129ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com>
	<493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>	<200812101652.06527.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812101432v33925575w826eb3399fc129ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494045ED.4080106@gmail.com>

Dan Dennedy wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Cinephiliac <bugsbane at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Oops! Sorry for that empty post. Anyway, your suggestion sounds good to me if
>> someone is game to maintain it.
>>
>> I do wonder if this role could be filled though by helping out in expanding one
>> of the sites that already exists, but isn't doing this so actively yet?
>>     
>
> I agree. In fact, if there are to be web forums, it might be
> interesting to have general as well as app-specific ones. Also, I
> would be willing to redirect Kino and MLT to this comprehensive site's
> forum. That way, it would expose it more and people would have a
> tendency to explore alternative solutions.
>
>   
>> Linuxvideography.com springs to mind.
>>     
>
> I do not believe I ever ran across that, but I do think it is very
> straightforward and a good start. Unfortunately, I could not find
> anything about its webmaster if we want to make contact. I suggest we
> nominate additional sites along the same line just to see what else. I
> do not know anything better. There is a list that is for "graphics"
> but dead as well as this forum:
>
> http://forums.creativecow.net/forum/linuxmedia
>
>   
Good to discuss this, but it would be more fruitful to do it centralized:

check the discussion:
> http://e.kevb.net/lurker/thread/20081210.164807.6f1dd9c4.en.html
> Subsribe here:
> https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra





From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 11 08:13:56 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:13:56 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org	(?)
	to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com>  <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228983236.9795.0.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 18:41 +0100, schoappied wrote:
> > In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the
> fact 
> > that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video,
> there 
> > is still a long way to go imho.

Don't feed trolls.




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 11 08:21:40 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:21:40 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org	(?)
	to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812101432v33925575w826eb3399fc129ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com> <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
	<200812101652.06527.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812101432v33925575w826eb3399fc129ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228983700.9795.4.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 14:32 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I do not believe I ever ran across that, but I do think it is very
> straightforward and a good start. Unfortunately, I could not find
> anything about its webmaster if we want to make contact. I suggest we
> nominate additional sites along the same line just to see what else. I
> do not know anything better. There is a list that is for "graphics"
> but dead as well as this forum:
> 
> http://forums.creativecow.net/forum/linuxmedia

Dear friends,

Kdenlive is a Free software community. We do not accept commercial or
marketing buzz for non-existent websites. On Kdenlive website, I will
add a link page to well-known GNU/Linux projects like MLT, FFMPEG and
Kino. For me this is enough.

We have marvelous tools to build a great community here and I don't
understand posts that start with "Hey it's crap" and then redirect you
to forums from companies.




From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Dec 11 13:01:19 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:01:19 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Mantis upgrade
Message-ID: <200812111401.19838.jb@kdenlive.org>

Hi everyone.

I am upgrading the mantis bug tracker to latest version right now, it should 
not be offline more than 10 minutes.

Regards
jb



From soares.souza at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 13:30:32 2008
From: soares.souza at gmail.com (Marcelo Souza)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:30:32 -0300
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>
	<493CE314.3010608@gmail.com>	<200812081016.44235.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>


> As usual; please consider joining sourceforge, upload a set of ssh keys, and 
> request svn write access if you would like to be able to maintain your 
> translation without having to go through this list/the issue tracker.

   soares_souza is my account at sourceforge.net, i upload my pub key to 
you?

-- 
Abra?os
Marcelo Soares Souza
http://marcelo.cebacad.net



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Thu Dec 11 13:34:38 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:34:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>
	<200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812111434.38519.mads@dydensborg.dk>

torsdag 11 December 2008 skrev Marcelo Souza:
> 
> > As usual; please consider joining sourceforge, upload a set of ssh keys, 
and 
> > request svn write access if you would like to be able to maintain your 
> > translation without having to go through this list/the issue tracker.
> 
>    soares_souza is my account at sourceforge.net, i upload my pub key to 
> you?

No, you upload the key to sourceforge (but you probably already did, if you 
have working account there), then you ask jb to allow you write access to 
kdenlive svn.

Regards

Mads


> 
> -- 
> Abra?os
> Marcelo Soares Souza
> http://marcelo.cebacad.net
> 
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with politics," respond those who don't want to learn.

        - Free software proponent, Richard M. Stallman



From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 11 13:33:05 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:33:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com> <493CE314.3010608@gmail.com>
	<200812081016.44235.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>  <494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229002386.25072.0.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:30 -0300, Marcelo Souza wrote:
> > As usual; please consider joining sourceforge, upload a set of ssh
> keys, and 
> > request svn write access if you would like to be able to maintain
> your 
> > translation without having to go through this list/the issue
> tracker.
> 
>    soares_souza is my account at sourceforge.net, i upload my pub key
> to 
> you?
> 

Please send it to JB.




From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Dec 11 13:53:21 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:53:21 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>
	<200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812111453.21130.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Thursday 11 December 2008 14.30:32 Marcelo Souza wrote:
>    soares_souza is my account at sourceforge.net, i upload my pub key to
> you?

No need to send your key. I gave you the rights to svn, so you should now be 
able to commit using your sourceforge account.

Mail me privately if you have questions or problems.

Regards
jb




From soares.souza at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 13:47:41 2008
From: soares.souza at gmail.com (Marcelo Souza)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:47:41 -0300
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] portuguese (brazil) translation - pt_BR
In-Reply-To: <200812111453.21130.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <4935A9E1.6070005@gmail.com>	<200812081025.05531.mads@dydensborg.dk>	<494115F8.4040106@gmail.com>
	<200812111453.21130.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <494119FD.50307@gmail.com>

> 
> No need to send your key. I gave you the rights to svn, so you should now be 
> able to commit using your sourceforge account.
> 
> Mail me privately if you have questions or problems.

   Thanks... my pub key is at sourceforge, and i see that now i have 
permission to commit to svn.

-- 
Cya
Marcelo Soares Souza
http://marcelo.cebacad.net



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 14:30:38 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:30:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812101307m2ab9446ew209f934dc079ea69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812101239p458f57ecob4bbcfad96ef6c26@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812101307m2ab9446ew209f934dc079ea69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812110630h42492dbbt7e69eee926d44a38@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/10 Salvatore brigaglia <opensourcecat at gmail.com>:
> 2008/12/10 Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org>:
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Salvatore brigaglia
>> <opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'v just updated everything to latest svn (FFmpeg, MLT and Kdenlive).
>>>
>>> I am experiencing a startup crash witch occurs after the first-run wizard.
>>
>> Did you clean the sources before making?
>>

I tried to rebuild everyting but results are the same. I can't start
kdenlive. But if i am the only one with latest kde4.2, FFmpeg, MLT and
Kdenlive experiencing thath this must be my problem.

regards

-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Dec 11 14:58:10 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:58:10 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812110630h42492dbbt7e69eee926d44a38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812101307m2ab9446ew209f934dc079ea69@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110630h42492dbbt7e69eee926d44a38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812111558.10527.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Thursday 11 December 2008 15.30:38 Salvatore brigaglia wrote:
> 2008/12/10 Salvatore brigaglia <opensourcecat at gmail.com>:

> I tried to rebuild everyting but results are the same. I can't start
> kdenlive. But if i am the only one with latest kde4.2, FFmpeg, MLT and
> Kdenlive experiencing thath this must be my problem.

I experienced the same crash because I had 2 different versions of MLT 
libraries installed (0.3.2 and 0.3.3). Please check in your install path /lib 
to see if that is the problem.

regards
jb



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 14:54:49 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:49 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <200812111558.10527.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812101307m2ab9446ew209f934dc079ea69@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110630h42492dbbt7e69eee926d44a38@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111558.10527.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/11 jb <jb at kdenlive.org>:
>
> I experienced the same crash because I had 2 different versions of MLT
> libraries installed (0.3.2 and 0.3.3). Please check in your install path /lib
> to see if that is the problem.

Thaaaat's it!

Great!
-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 15:23:27 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812101307m2ab9446ew209f934dc079ea69@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110630h42492dbbt7e69eee926d44a38@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111558.10527.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/11 Salvatore brigaglia <opensourcecat at gmail.com>:
> 2008/12/11 jb <jb at kdenlive.org>:
>>
>> I experienced the same crash because I had 2 different versions of MLT
>> libraries installed (0.3.2 and 0.3.3). Please check in your install path /lib
>> to see if that is the problem.
>
> Thaaaat's it!
>
> Great!

Or better: there where also other libraries that i'v deleted
(libmlt.so.0.3.2 etc.)...
But the problem persists and i don't know where to search further!

Attached the latest gdb backtrace

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From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Dec 11 15:50:48 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:50:48 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Thursday 11 December 2008 16.23:27 Salvatore brigaglia wrote:
> 2008/12/11 Salvatore brigaglia <opensourcecat at gmail.com>:

> Or better: there where also other libraries that i'v deleted
> (libmlt.so.0.3.2 etc.)...
> But the problem persists and i don't know where to search further!

You must make clean & recompile MLT and Kdenlive after removing those old 
libs, please try it then type:
sudo ldconfig

and try to run Kdenlive again.

regards
jb





From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 15:59:35 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:59:35 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/11, jb <jb at kdenlive.org>:
>
> You must make clean & recompile MLT and Kdenlive after removing those old
>  libs, please try it then type:
>  sudo ldconfig
>
>  and try to run Kdenlive again.
>

Tried, but nothing.
I will try again tonight.
Many thanks.


-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 11 17:04:26 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:04:26 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
Message-ID: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

Kdenlive website is under development.
Today I chose a new XHTML theme and would like to know your feedback:
http://www.kdenlive.org

Full change log: http://www.kdenlive.org/website-changelog

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From dan at dennedy.org  Thu Dec 11 18:01:10 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:01:10 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Openmovieeditor-users] www.linuxvideo.org (?)
	to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
In-Reply-To: <1228983700.9795.4.camel@debian>
References: <493A7A7F.4050405@gmail.com> <493FFF44.1060007@gmail.com>
	<200812101652.06527.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812101432v33925575w826eb3399fc129ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228983700.9795.4.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812111001j6787aa1eq9a677e241041e183@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 14:32 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> I do not believe I ever ran across that, but I do think it is very
>> straightforward and a good start. Unfortunately, I could not find
>> anything about its webmaster if we want to make contact. I suggest we
>> nominate additional sites along the same line just to see what else. I
>> do not know anything better. There is a list that is for "graphics"
>> but dead as well as this forum:
>>
>> http://forums.creativecow.net/forum/linuxmedia
>
> Kdenlive is a Free software community. We do not accept commercial or
> marketing buzz for non-existent websites. On Kdenlive website, I will

You did not like my link to creativecow.net? I was just pointing it
out to be comprehensive. More than anything it shows the slim
offerings today for something application agnostic. IOW, it is a bad
example in the midst of very few examples.

> add a link page to well-known GNU/Linux projects like MLT, FFMPEG and
> Kino. For me this is enough.
>
> We have marvelous tools to build a great community here and I don't
> understand posts that start with "Hey it's crap"

I have been quite sensitive and defensive to web postings that do
this. However, I did not get that impression from his post. To me it
was very respectful commentary.

> and then redirect you to forums from companies.

That was me, but I was wondering why you got so upset about this
thread. Then, I visited linuxvideo.org and now I wonder if you did
too. If you did not, then no need to do so now - it redirects to a
site that sells sexual enhancement pharmaceuticals. I do not believe
it was intentional on his part considering the level of detail in his
original post and his continued participation.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Thu Dec 11 18:33:58 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:33:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>

torsdag 11 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> Dear Friends,

Dear Jean-Michel

> 
> Kdenlive website is under development.
> Today I chose a new XHTML theme and would like to know your feedback:
> http://www.kdenlive.org

I think it is very nice: its much easier to "take in" the pages now. The forum 
is easier to take in too.

The colors are consistent with kdenlive - now we only need the logo from 
Cinephiliac (*nudge, nudge*, Cinephiliac :-).

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion." -George Washington, November 4, 1796

"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor
should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
                          -George H. W. Bush, August 27, 1987



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 20:04:41 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:04:41 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812111204u2296d847x35f1a20b6ed2a755@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, really nice theme!

...and though, i like the actual logo!

-- 
___
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http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 22:57:58 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:57:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812111457k1ba6f4ddrafa72b83f31c7dd0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/11, Salvatore brigaglia <opensourcecat at gmail.com>:

> Tried, but nothing.
>  I will try again tonight.
>  Many thanks.
>

nothing. Can't even think what to try next.

it's so strange! i'v de-installed everithing (FFmperg, MLT and
Kdenlive), deleted build dirs, re-downloaded everything from svn but
nothing. same crash after the wizard.

-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec 12 00:56:30 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:56:30 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812111457k1ba6f4ddrafa72b83f31c7dd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812111457k1ba6f4ddrafa72b83f31c7dd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812111656u7e0c2c63pa97610914e0ebd6c@mail.gmail.com>

I took a look at your last log again. If you are using the wizard, you
should run kdenlive_start. Technically, you can get by without it,
with a prefix of /usr/local, but then you have to ensure ld.so.conf
and ldconfig and all that. Please try with kdenlive_start

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Salvatore brigaglia
<opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/12/11, Salvatore brigaglia <opensourcecat at gmail.com>:
>
>> Tried, but nothing.
>>  I will try again tonight.
>>  Many thanks.
>>
>
> nothing. Can't even think what to try next.
>
> it's so strange! i'v de-installed everithing (FFmperg, MLT and
> Kdenlive), deleted build dirs, re-downloaded everything from svn but
> nothing. same crash after the wizard.
>
> --
> ___
> Salvatore Brigaglia
> http://www.kde-italia.org
> http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com


-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 12 06:58:22 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:58:22 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 19:33 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> The colors are consistent with kdenlive - now we only need the logo
> from 
> Cinephiliac (*nudge, nudge*, Cinephiliac :-).

Could you resend the logo, please?
Kdenlive logo suits me, in fact I think it is great.
But if we find a better logo, why not change.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From bugsbane at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 08:17:49 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:17:49 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>

Sure.

I don't want to email files out to the whole devel list and I don't seem to be 
able to log in to the site (or get a new password sent), so I've linked to the 
images here:


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New Icon with Logo Image (with transparency):
http://projects.zeno.thinkhost.com/kdenlive/Kdenlive_Logo.new.png

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Screencapture of currrent template with new icon:
http://projects.zeno.thinkhost.com/kdenlive/Newlogo_Screengrab.png

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Drop in file replacement for logo on the site (same name and dimentions:
http://projects.zeno.thinkhost.com/kdenlive/pixture_reloaded_logo.png

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Let me know if anything else would help, and once we've got something most of 
us are happy with I'll upload the Blender / Inkscape / Gimp files.



On Friday 12 December 2008 01:58:22 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 19:33 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > The colors are consistent with kdenlive - now we only need the logo
> > from
> > Cinephiliac (*nudge, nudge*, Cinephiliac :-).
>
> Could you resend the logo, please?
> Kdenlive logo suits me, in fact I think it is great.
> But if we find a better logo, why not change.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Fri Dec 12 08:20:45 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:20:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] New logo: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812120920.45987.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 12 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 19:33 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > The colors are consistent with kdenlive - now we only need the logo
> > from 
> > Cinephiliac (*nudge, nudge*, Cinephiliac :-).
> 
> Could you resend the logo, please?
> Kdenlive logo suits me, in fact I think it is great.
> But if we find a better logo, why not change.

I was only referring to the logo that Cinephiliac has created, which I think 
was very nice. 

Whether to use it or not, is not for me to decide.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Virtually every major technological advance in the history of the human
species-- back to the invention of stone tools and the domestication of
fire-- has been ethically ambiguous.
                           - Carl Sagan (The Demon-Haunted World)



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 08:27:14 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:27:14 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812111656u7e0c2c63pa97610914e0ebd6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812111457k1ba6f4ddrafa72b83f31c7dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812111656u7e0c2c63pa97610914e0ebd6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812120027j7f6b4fbbk20dec6076f831a15@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/12, Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org>:
> I took a look at your last log again. If you are using the wizard, you
>  should run kdenlive_start. Technically, you can get by without it,
>  with a prefix of /usr/local, but then you have to ensure ld.so.conf
>  and ldconfig and all that. Please try with kdenlive_start
>

I'm building it myself. No wizard! But the strange thing is that i
built it in the same way for months and now, suddenly, it is giving me
this strange startup crash.

Don't loose more time on this. I'tt re-instal the os (was planned
anyway). I just thought it was interesting to know WHAT happened to
avoit it to happens again!

ceers

-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 12 08:30:09 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:30:09 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>
	<200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229070609.10416.3.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 03:17 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> I don't want to email files out to the whole devel list and I don't
> seem to be 
> able to log in to the site (or get a new password sent), so I've
> linked to the 
> images here:

I reset password manualy and sent it to your email.
Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 12 08:35:52 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:35:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <a975c7820812120027j7f6b4fbbk20dec6076f831a15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812111457k1ba6f4ddrafa72b83f31c7dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812111656u7e0c2c63pa97610914e0ebd6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812120027j7f6b4fbbk20dec6076f831a15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229070952.10416.10.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:27 +0100, Salvatore brigaglia wrote:
> I'm building it myself. No wizard! But the strange thing is that i
> built it in the same way for months and now, suddenly, it is giving me
> this strange startup crash.
> 
> Don't loose more time on this. I'tt re-instal the os (was planned
> anyway). I just thought it was interesting to know WHAT happened to
> avoit it to happens again!


Maybe related:

If you are building MLT in /usr and then /usr/local, MLT will create
pkg-config files in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig and /usr/lib/pkgconfig/

During compilation of Kdenlive, /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig will take
precedence. And it leads to non-working versions of kdenlive.

Before compiling Kdenlive, you should always remove any installed MLT
version, including pkgconfig files, especially if installed
in /usr/local.

Dave, can you confirm this pkgconfig issue?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Fri Dec 12 08:49:14 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:49:14 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Some features of the builder wizard - was Re:
	startup crash
In-Reply-To: <1229070952.10416.10.camel@debian>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812120027j7f6b4fbbk20dec6076f831a15@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229070952.10416.10.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812120949.14394.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 12 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:

> Before compiling Kdenlive, you should always remove any installed MLT
> version, including pkgconfig files, especially if installed
> in /usr/local.

<commercial>

A little "commercial" here: among the many small things the builder wizard 
does, one is that it will fiddle with PKG_CONFIG_PATH to fix this for you....

So, you can keep e.g. distribution installed packages of mlt while having your 
kdenlive environment in e.g. /usr/opt/whatever

Using the "append date", you can keep several versions of kdenlive installed 
(good for e.g. regressions).

And, you can put this in your path somewhere, to always run the newest 
kdenlive you have installed using the wizard (perhaps name it 
kdenlive_newest):

----------
#!/bin/bash

PREFIX=`grep INSTALL_DIR $HOME/.kdenliveBuilderWizard.rc | cut -f 2`
VER=`ls $PREFIX | grep -E '^[[:digit:]]{8}$' | tail -n 1`

exec $PREFIX/$VER/bin/kdenlive_start "$@"
----------

So, 
kdenlive_newest
will start your newest kdenlive install
kdenlive_newest --version
will report svn rev numbers for ffmpeg, mlt, mlt++ and kdenlive
kdenlive_newest -g
will start directly in debug mode, setup to create a crash log
kdenlive_newest -n
will just start it.

In the source package for the wizard, there even is a script suited for 
cronjobs, to e.g. compile kdenlive every night. (kbw-action.sh)

</commercial>

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd
all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to
repetitive electronic music.

                                   --Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 12 09:00:55 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:00:55 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812111933.58597.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229065102.5376.1.camel@debian>
	<200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 03:17 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> 
> Screencapture of currrent template with new icon:
> http://projects.zeno.thinkhost.com/kdenlive/Newlogo_Screengrab.png

This logo is nice and fits well in the web, 
but I am not in favour of using it. 

My reasons (personal):

* A logo should be easy to identify. Presently your logo looks like
avidemux and Kino. The fact that it looks exactly like Kino is blocking.
User choosing from a menu may lauch Kino.

* Your logo looks very much like Final Cut pro. I searched "Final Cut
pro logo" on Google images. I think FCP logo is a registered trademark.
We may be suited for legal reasons, which is ***very*** blocking.

* The existing Kdenlive logo is very well stylized. I had great feedback
from web developers when discussing about it. Other Logo I like: F-Spot,
Iceweasel, qJack, Audacity, etc ...

If you or anyone comes up with another logo, at any moment we may decide
to switch to a newer logo. In the present situation, I am not,
personaly, in favour of switching to a new logo.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From bugsbane at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 10:13:00 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812120513.01059.bugsbane@gmail.com>

Note: FCP Logo can be seen here:
http://www.setyourrate.com/profileImages/FINAL-CUT-PRO-LOGO-TN_8211_large.JPG

As per our discussion, I don't see a similarity other than that they both use 
a clapper board which is a classic film object pre-existing Apple (prior art). 

I don't have the time nor inclination to go through the whole process again, 
so it looks like we're stuck with the old logo.






On Friday 12 December 2008 04:00:55 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 03:17 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> > Screencapture of currrent template with new icon:
> > http://projects.zeno.thinkhost.com/kdenlive/Newlogo_Screengrab.png
>
> This logo is nice and fits well in the web,
> but I am not in favour of using it.
>
> My reasons (personal):
>
> * A logo should be easy to identify. Presently your logo looks like
> avidemux and Kino. The fact that it looks exactly like Kino is blocking.
> User choosing from a menu may lauch Kino.
>
> * Your logo looks very much like Final Cut pro. I searched "Final Cut
> pro logo" on Google images. I think FCP logo is a registered trademark.
> We may be suited for legal reasons, which is ***very*** blocking.
>
> * The existing Kdenlive logo is very well stylized. I had great feedback
> from web developers when discussing about it. Other Logo I like: F-Spot,
> Iceweasel, qJack, Audacity, etc ...
>
> If you or anyone comes up with another logo, at any moment we may decide
> to switch to a newer logo. In the present situation, I am not,
> personaly, in favour of switching to a new logo.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 12 10:30:31 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:30:31 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812120513.01059.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>
	<200812120513.01059.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229077831.15876.11.camel@debian>

> Note: FCP Logo can be seen here:
> http://www.setyourrate.com/profileImages/FINAL-CUT-PRO-LOGO-TN_8211_large.JPG
> 
> As per our discussion, I don't see a similarity other than that they
> both use 
> a clapper board which is a classic film object pre-existing Apple
> (prior art). 

MLT is being ported to MacOsX and Kdenlive may be available soon for
MacOsX. You should consider a basic MacOsX user choosing to run FCP or
Kdenlive from a menu. If there is a possible confusion, then Apple may
decide to sew us, because FCP logo is a registrered trademark.

I would prefer a completely different logo, so that there is no possible
confusion. As regards to law, you should not consider confusion of
experienced users like yourself, but possible confusion of normal users.

>From my point of view, this legal issue closes any discussion about this
logo. Come back with a completely different logo and we will reconsider
our choice.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 15:13:42 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:13:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] startup crash
In-Reply-To: <1229070952.10416.10.camel@debian>
References: <a975c7820812100621u53d6ab65g7f81baaeddf69a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110654h364830c5n808562d4c34f378c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812110723g786d97c1xdc6d6b7d1c0910f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812111650.48962.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<a975c7820812110759q22004b76wf956b35441d37fb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812111457k1ba6f4ddrafa72b83f31c7dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812111656u7e0c2c63pa97610914e0ebd6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a975c7820812120027j7f6b4fbbk20dec6076f831a15@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229070952.10416.10.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812120713n14af778ak52686cc22815faa7@mail.gmail.com>

RESOLVED:

It was a problem related to libmlt++.so that wasn't found by Kdenlive
(thought it was there: warning: libmlt.so.0, needed by
/usr/local/lib/libmlt++.so, not found)

So i removed everything from everywhere by hand, removed pkgconfig
files and re-builded everything.

Now i have my kdenlive svn back!

and so:
When kdenlive.pot will be updated for string-freeze?

(thanks to all interested in this)
-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From adderd at kkmfg.com  Fri Dec 12 15:31:03 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin Kidder)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:31:03 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] GPU effects?
Message-ID: <494283B7.3010006@kkmfg.com>

Hello, I'm brand new to both KDEnlive and this list. So, I figured I'd 
start out with really tough stuff first...

What are the odds of getting GPU based effects? Specifically I'd like to 
have hardward motion comp and deinterlacing. Adobe Premiere on windows 
can do this. It really makes DV video look a lot better. Eventually 
other shader type effects would be nice. I do intend on looking into 
this myself but to start me off let me ask this: Should this be done 
through an existing framework such as MLT? I think that a range of the 
current effects could be done on the GPU. Sepia, black and white, 
embossing, etc. Current day 8x and 16x PCI-E cards have plenty of 
bandwidth up and down to process 30FPS DV video in realtime.

I tried to search this list for prior discussions on this subject. I did 
not find much of anything. Is no one interested in GPU acceleration?

To be clear, I'm not really asking someone else to do it. I'll try 
myself. But any pointers toward where to look, what should be possible, 
etc would be appreciated.



From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec 12 20:42:08 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:42:08 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] GPU effects?
In-Reply-To: <494283B7.3010006@kkmfg.com>
References: <494283B7.3010006@kkmfg.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812121242v26bdcbect5d7e08a59a6c9b86@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Collin Kidder <adderd at kkmfg.com> wrote:
> Hello, I'm brand new to both KDEnlive and this list. So, I figured I'd
> start out with really tough stuff first...
>
> What are the odds of getting GPU based effects? Specifically I'd like to

I am pessimistic about the odds, but the odds don't really matter.
Let's just say, it is not on the near-to-midterm roadmap for any
Kdenlive/MLT developers as far as I know. (I am the MLT lead
developer.)

> have hardward motion comp and deinterlacing. Adobe Premiere on windows

motion compensation for what - decoding? If so, I refer you to FFmpeg.
They are currently trying to integrate VDPAU patches from NVIDIA. That
might take a while:
http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html

It might be nice to have something more generic, but at least Roman
Shaposhnik, the FFmpeg DV developer is working on a more generic,
comprehensive multi-threading capability in ffmpeg/libavcodec.

> can do this. It really makes DV video look a lot better. Eventually
> other shader type effects would be nice. I do intend on looking into
> this myself but to start me off let me ask this: Should this be done
> through an existing framework such as MLT? I think that a range of the
> current effects could be done on the GPU. Sepia, black and white,

Kdenlive's video filters and transitions come from MLT and MLT's
bridge to the frei0r plugins. There is a project called FreeFrame that
is a plugin interface and set of plugins, some of which are
OpenGL-accelerated. It seems more suited towards VJ apps, but maybe it
will work here. In that case, use the MLT frei0r module as inspiration
for a bridge component to these FreeFrame.

> I tried to search this list for prior discussions on this subject. I did
> not find much of anything. Is no one interested in GPU acceleration?

Definitely interested, but I you know the expression: "you gotta walk
before you can run." I am currently addressing bugs and fundamental
issues with the framework at the moment instead of the modules. Some
of the changes underway are to make it easier to integrate alternative
implementations of image scalers, deinterlacers, colorspace, and
sample format converters that would facilitate your interests. It can
be be done today, but not so cleanly.

> To be clear, I'm not really asking someone else to do it. I'll try
> myself. But any pointers toward where to look, what should be possible,
> etc would be appreciated.

Sounds great; go for it!

-- 
+-DRD-+



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sat Dec 13 11:05:56 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:05:56 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>

onsdag 10 December 2008 skrev Cinephiliac:
> If so, it would be great to see if we can reproduce either issue 432 or 
issue 
> 446. I can't as I don't have access to any of these kinds of clips.

446 (resolved) now contains some links:

for download of the files click:
 
 ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00007.mts [^]
 ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00013.mts [^]
 ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00015.mts [^]
 ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00034.mts [^]
 ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00046.mts [^]
 ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00049.mts [^]
 
Can you use that?

We do need a repository for this. Could we use sourceforce perhaps?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

But the Napster case is not just, or even mainly, about piracy. It is about
business models. The industry wants to stick to its old one - selling
expensive compact discs - and to protect it. But Napster's success shows
that there is a lot of appetite for a new model. The old model is legal, but
the new one is not, since the industry refuses to endorse it.

Artists' interests deserve legal protection, within limits; business models
do not.

       - The Economist, 2001.02.24



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sat Dec 13 11:35:29 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:35:29 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kudos to jmpure for the website
Message-ID: <200812131235.29854.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

Just wanted to say to Jean-Michel that I am amazed and very impressed with all 
the effort he has put into the website the last week(?) and the result is 
very impressive and very usuable.

(I do think there is a minor glitch on the frontpage currently though? Looks 
like a box has been misplaced in the lower rigth corner. Thats a detail, I am 
sure.)

I am sure we will all benefit from *all* the changes, but I wanted to point 
out a few things that I personally have found instantenly useful/nice/fun.

* The "tracker" list all changes to the entire website - a very nice starting 
point to look for changes/stuff that is new: http://kdenlive.org/tracker

* The "FAQ" is at http://kdenlive.org/user-manual/frequently-asked-questions - 
and it is very easy to add items to it. So, we can lift some stuff from the 
forums and persist it there.

* The "user location" thing totatally turns me on: 
http://www.kdenlive.org/map/user - I think we should all add our location 
there, and when we have "enough" users/devs registered, we should make it 
available to view without beeing logged in. Please consider adding your 
location. It does not have to be your exact adresse, the general area would 
be enough.

Again, thats an amazing amount of work and effort you have placed in it, 
Jean-Michel, and it truly has payed of.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Today, the record companies are saying MP3s are the biggest evil. Tomorrow 
they're going to say they're the greatest thing when they figure
them out.
                               - Gene Kan, Gnutella developer



From jm at poure.com  Sat Dec 13 17:27:30 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:27:30 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 12:05 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
>  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00007.mts [^]
>  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00013.mts [^]
>  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00015.mts [^]
>  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00034.mts [^]
>  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00046.mts [^]
>  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00049.mts [^]
>  

Thansk a lot mad. Your production? This must be very funny to film
underwater. Besides, my dual-core computer is stuck to 50% and cannot
play files in real-time. Is MLT able to drop frames during display?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sat Dec 13 17:40:19 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:40:19 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>

l?rdag 13 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 12:05 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00007.mts [^]
> >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00013.mts [^]
> >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00015.mts [^]
> >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00034.mts [^]
> >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00046.mts [^]
> >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00049.mts [^]
> >  
> 
> Thansk a lot mad. 

You are welcome.

I minor misunderstanding; my name is "Mads" :-). Although some might argue 
that it should be "Mad" :-)

> Your production? This must be very funny to film 
> underwater. Besides, my dual-core computer is stuck to 50% and cannot
> play files in real-time. Is MLT able to drop frames during display?

I did not actually post those clips, the reporter did, I just wanted to make 
sure that we did not miss them.

My system seems unable to playback mts files in realtime too.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
political behavior of Western Civilization.
                       - Robert A. Wilson (Right Where You Are Sitting Now)



From jm at poure.com  Sat Dec 13 20:29:20 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:29:20 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
	<200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229200160.8483.3.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 18:40 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> My system seems unable to playback mts files in realtime too.
I tried to play these files using ffplay. No success too, they play in
slow motion. Not real time. It is probably impossible to drop frames
because of AVCHD coding. MLT needs to decode all frames.

AVCHD does not seem at hand ... The best would be to ask ffmpeg
developers.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Sat Dec 13 22:31:42 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:31:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
Message-ID: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

The documention is being migrated to Kdenlive website.

I added some informations:
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-packages

In particular, I added compilation options to ffmpeg to be able to
handle more formats. If there was any error, please modify the text
directly on the web page.

Also, if you plan to participate in documentation writing, please
register Kdenlive web site and apply for documentation writer role.

The web site is like an SVN system, it can handle revisions. So whenever
you modify any page, juste create a revision. I will probably upload
tutorials on Sunday night.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From dan at dennedy.org  Sun Dec 14 07:44:43 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:44:43 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <1229200160.8483.3.camel@debian>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
	<200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229200160.8483.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812132344g6a7a0e16i4a820f080d43aa0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 18:40 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
>> My system seems unable to playback mts files in realtime too.
> I tried to play these files using ffplay. No success too, they play in
> slow motion. Not real time. It is probably impossible to drop frames
> because of AVCHD coding. MLT needs to decode all frames.

There are several problems affecting realtime playout of AVCHD:
- AVC High and Main profiles are processor intensive to begin with
- FFmpeg can not yet use multi-threading to decode most (all?) forms of AVCHD
- Those streams are played at half speed by FFmpeg. If you transcode
them to something reasonable like mpeg2 or mpeg4 at lower resolution,
you will see what I mean. You will notice that 'ffmpeg -i X' on each
file will also show double the duration after decoding. I am not yet
sure if FFmpeg is misinterpreting something or repeating frames or
what is going on.

> AVCHD does not seem at hand ...

agreed :)

> The best would be to ask ffmpeg developers.

I think they only want to talk with you if you have started debugging
it and have a patch in the works. Otherwise, they will say they know
about the problems but not willing to just educate you about them.
Basically, you need to do your homework and make a good start into
debugging the problem. Maybe a good place simply to get informed is
the ffmpeg roundup bug tracker. I am certainly not in a position to
start helping ffmpeg.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 14 08:07:46 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:07:46 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812132344g6a7a0e16i4a820f080d43aa0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
	<200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229200160.8483.3.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812132344g6a7a0e16i4a820f080d43aa0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229242066.6076.1.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 23:44 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I think they only want to talk with you if you have started debugging
> it and have a patch in the works. Otherwise, they will say they know
> about the problems but not willing to just educate you about them.
> Basically, you need to do your homework and make a good start into
> debugging the problem. Maybe a good place simply to get informed is
> the ffmpeg roundup bug tracker. I am certainly not in a position to
> start helping ffmpeg.

I asked on their web site. Mike Melanson answered that it would help to
compile ffmpeg with yasm installed. There is some usefull asm code for
h264 decoding in ffmpeg. I am testing at the moment.

Kind regards, 
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 14 09:23:05 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812132344g6a7a0e16i4a820f080d43aa0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
	<200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229200160.8483.3.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812132344g6a7a0e16i4a820f080d43aa0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229246585.29737.5.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 23:44 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> > AVCHD does not seem at hand ...

I could recompile ffmpeg with yasm code. I loaded a clip 9 sec 00007.mts
AVCHD clip in the project tree. Then I played with 4 threads enabled. My
dual-core jumped to 50% activity. Which means no multi-threading.

It seems resonable to believe that with more multi-threading a dual-core
computer would be able to decode AVCHD.

Dave, to what extend is MLT using multi-threading code?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 14 09:30:52 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:30:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
	<200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229247052.30487.2.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 18:40 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00007.mts [^]
> > >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00013.mts [^]
> > >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00015.mts [^]
> > >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00034.mts [^]
> > >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00046.mts [^]
> > >  ftp://213.157.31.211/pub/00049.mts [^]
> > >  

Dear Mads,

I am uploading some of your videos to Kdenlive web site. 
How much hosting space do we have Jean-Baptiste?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 14 16:36:44 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:36:44 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
Message-ID: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>

Dear friends,

I found a patch for FFmpeg h264 decoding using Nvidia VDPAU:
http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20081130.210339.c1c512ae.fr.html

I don't know to what extent it would also speed up AVCHD display.

A Nvidia GForce 9400 GT 512 video card cost 40? and has 16 cores. VDPAU
can also run on GForce 8400, which are old card available for less
money. 

These two video cards can be used to run VDPAU, which would solve all
h264/AVCHD display problems.

Do you think it is worth test ffmpeg VDPAU patch?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 14 20:14:25 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:14:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg h264 hardware decoding
Message-ID: <1229285665.23122.0.camel@debian>

I gathered information here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/kdenlive-nvidia-vdpau-ffmpeg-patch

Feel free to test and modify the page.

Kind regards, JMP




From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 21:54:32 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:54:32 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] relative paths in project files
In-Reply-To: <dfe7d2900812081350l1c693cd0w3aece35e6a2638ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811140033.10626.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<dfe7d2900812081348q7a1612c6h27498ba376da0522@mail.gmail.com>
	<dfe7d2900812081350l1c693cd0w3aece35e6a2638ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812142254.33309.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Monday 08 December 2008 22:50:05 Alberto Villa wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
>
> <mads at dydensborg.dk> wrote:
> > Am I right in assuming that this functionality is now part of Kdenlive
> > SVN, and AFAICT works correctly?
>
> it worked well for me with the patch you've just added, but i'm going
> to test it tomorrow

ok, i can now confirm that this feature works well

> there's obviously a problem with old included .westley files, but i
> still don't know anything about them (i think they don't even work
> with correct paths... i'll try)... will they be supported? i've read
> of virtual clips coming back to kdenlive: same thing?

i've did some tests with .westley's, and saw they're currently supported, but 
they obviously can't update their paths since this happens only on 
<kdenlive_producer>s
it could be solved applying the hash thing to <producer>s instead of 
<kdenlive_producer>s, but that would result in many duplicated hash 
calculations, which is not that fast, and in bigger project files. another way 
could be to write in the project file a list of file conversions (oldfile.avi 
> newfile.avi) using those updated in <kdenlive_producer>s (but probably they 
wouldn't be enough, because .westley's can also refer to other files, so we 
should parse them too) and to check .westley's <producer>s for matches: gosh!
any ideas (i don't consider the two above to be decent ideas)
if the second one could be done at runtime (a QSomething records the 
conversions, than <producer>s are updated) it could be good, but i don't know 
how <producer>s url are read/used

> > If that is the case, I want to add it to the Changelog :-)
>
> i'm waiting for kde 4.2 beta 1 (or 2) to be added to freebsd ports to
> implement the nepomuk thing, but that can be added as another point

this is probably happening on the last week of december. if the .westley's 
thing isn't crucial, i think you could update the changelog, and then add this 
nepomuk feature as "increased desktop search integration" or similar
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec 15 05:33:49 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:33:49 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
In-Reply-To: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
References: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I found a patch for FFmpeg h264 decoding using Nvidia VDPAU:
> http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20081130.210339.c1c512ae.fr.html
>
> I don't know to what extent it would also speed up AVCHD display.
>
> A Nvidia GForce 9400 GT 512 video card cost 40? and has 16 cores. VDPAU
> can also run on GForce 8400, which are old card available for less
> money.

I believe all cards that support VDPAU and CUDA require PCI Express
x16. I do not have any computers that support that! My main
workstation is a dual Athlon 2000 from 2001, which was high end for
the time. It only has AGP, but it is still a decent desktop system by
even today's standards. I can not even locate a video card at a
physical retailer that carries cards for AGP! Last spring I built a
Quad Core system to mimic the setup of the a product I was helping to
develop for a commercial MLT user. It only supports up to x8 PCI
Express. I do have a MacBook Pro from my employer with an 8600M GT,
but it is not clear if it is supported. I have 64-bit Arch Linux
running on it, and I will see if I can get it working.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec 15 05:41:41 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:41:41 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Does anyone have any AVCHD test clips?
In-Reply-To: <1229246585.29737.5.camel@debian>
References: <200812101656.28799.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<200812131205.56389.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229189250.1062.1.camel@debian>
	<200812131840.20125.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229200160.8483.3.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812132344g6a7a0e16i4a820f080d43aa0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229246585.29737.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812142141h5dd360f8o58e991bf0eeee341@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> Dave, to what extend is MLT using multi-threading code?

Heh, whenever you address using "Dave" I know you are referring to me, Dan. :-)

MLT's usage of multi-threading is very coarse. It basically has a
thread for the inputs+processing, one for the output, and one for the
control (start/stop/manipulate object model, etc.). Any service within
the framework could spawn a thread for whatever reason, but that is
not typical except for the ffmpeg-based services.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec 15 06:11:24 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:11:24 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] emphasize the builder wizard more on the website
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812142211p1d2c4639pcb24e27f9c164270@mail.gmail.com>

Jean-Michel,
Thanks for your hard work. I agree with Mads - it is great. However, I
think we should emphasize more the builder wizard on both the download
page and the install from source page. Technically, it is installing
from source, but it is easier than "Installing from source" makes one
believe when evaluating their options.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 07:39:36 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:39:36 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Adding unittests to kdenlive?
Message-ID: <200812150839.36392.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

I was wondering what the general feeling about unittests are?

In my work, I have found unittests (and test driven development, but this mail 
is not about that) to be a very valuable tool. Unittests both document the 
intentions of the code, makes it easier to add functionality without breaking 
the existing functionality and related to this, work as a poor-mans 
regression test tool.

As kdenlive is clearly very much a GUI program major parts of kdenlive can not 
be unittested. However, some parts can. Right now I would like to create a 
unit test for part of the KdenliveDoc::convertDocument() function. I am 
capable of doing this, but would like to know beforehand if it would be OK 
with all? (Especially JB, I reckon).

Also, what framework to use? I have experience with ccpunit and boost, but I 
reckon QtTestLib would be better to use for Kdenlive? 

http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/writingunittests/writingunittests.html

Comments welcome.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to
the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers
to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of patent
protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich
nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits
the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to
impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development.
But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the past.
                           - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 07:45:47 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:45:47 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug 323: Redesign the render dialog
Message-ID: <200812150845.47253.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

It looks as JB is on top of most of the bugs in the 0.7.1 roadmap (as opposed 
to e.g. me, which needs to give some mantis reports some more love).

One exception might be bug 323, which is more or less a redesign of the render 
dialog. I think this needs more thinking (and discussion) about the GUI than 
actual coding?

Perhaps a usuability wizard is lurking on this list, and would like to create 
some mockups for general discussion?

Whenever I try to look at it, I quickly end up in some "Wizard" thinking. I've 
tried to partition the tasks after various guidelines, mostly centered around 
the question of "What is the user trying to achieve", and I end up in a 
very "target" oriented thinking, but designing GUI's is not a strong feature 
of me. 

One could imagine a person with a strong visual experience firering up 
qt-designer, and do some rough mockups to get something to discuss from. Any 
volunteers?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it.
  - Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 1907 (many times wrongfully
    attributed to Voltaire)




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 08:03:42 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:03:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229328222.5383.10.camel@debian>

On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 21:33 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I believe all cards that support VDPAU and CUDA require PCI Express
> x16. I do not have any computers that support that! My main
> workstation is a dual Athlon 2000 from 2001, which was high end for
> the time. It only has AGP, but it is still a decent desktop system by
> even today's standards. I can not even locate a video card at a
> physical retailer that carries cards for AGP! Last spring I built a
> Quad Core system to mimic the setup of the a product I was helping to
> develop for a commercial MLT user. It only supports up to x8 PCI
> Express. I do have a MacBook Pro from my employer with an 8600M GT,
> but it is not clear if it is supported. I have 64-bit Arch Linux
> running on it, and I will see if I can get it working.


I compiled yesterday night, it works super-fast.
My laptop was bought for 450? and has a GeForce 8400.
Viewing the AVCHD file requires 10% computer power, nothing.

Will make a short tutorial and upload it.

Maybe you could upgrade your main board+CPU.
According to Nvidia, the GeForce 8200 is supported.

This one has integrated NVIDIA? GeForce 8200 for 71?:
http://www.materiel.net/ctl/Socket_AM2/36501-A_N78HD.html

Then add a dual athlon for 63?:
http://www.materiel.net/ctl/Processeurs_socket_AM2/39417-Athlon_64_X2_4850e.html 

You can also add some inexpensive GeForce 9200 card.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 08:06:36 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:06:36 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] emphasize the builder wizard more on
	the	website
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812142211p1d2c4639pcb24e27f9c164270@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27dd34e60812142211p1d2c4639pcb24e27f9c164270@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229328396.5383.16.camel@debian>

On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 22:11 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> Thanks for your hard work. I agree with Mads - it is great. However, I
> think we should emphasize more the builder wizard on both the download
> page and the install from source page. Technically, it is installing
> from source, but it is easier than "Installing from source" makes one
> believe when evaluating their options.

I will add a direct download link in the menu.




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 09:00:12 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:12 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
Message-ID: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>

Dear friends,

I would like to discuss the packaging policies of Kdenlive. 

I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions. 

Of course I did not test all packages, so I might be wrong. Maybe some
packagers do not simply have the skills to compile Kdenlive cleanly. And
we cannot expect end-users to be able to compile ffmpeg, MLT and
Kdenlive with full options turned-on.

So we need packages:

@mads: is SuSE providing a build farm? What is the advancement of this
project?
@dan: do you think it would be possible to build static version of MLT,
including all ffmpeg stuff staticly.

The idea would be to provide daily packages.

I can participate in the project setting-up a farm.
In France, it is possible to hire computers online for a few bucks.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Dec 15 09:27:23 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:27:23 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Adding unittests to kdenlive?
In-Reply-To: <200812150839.36392.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812150839.36392.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812151027.23665.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Monday 15 December 2008 08.39:36 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> As kdenlive is clearly very much a GUI program major parts of kdenlive can
> not be unittested. However, some parts can. Right now I would like to
> create a unit test for part of the KdenliveDoc::convertDocument() function.
> I am capable of doing this, but would like to know beforehand if it would
> be OK with all? (Especially JB, I reckon).

I have absolutely no experience in unit tests, but I admit that it would be 
great to have an automated way to check the loading / saving of documents 
whenever some changes are made to the kdenlive document format.

> Also, what framework to use? I have experience with ccpunit and boost, but
> I reckon QtTestLib would be better to use for Kdenlive?
> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/writingunittests/writingun
>ittests.html

Yes, the QtTestLib is probably a better choice if it's ok for you to look at 
it.

Regards
jb




From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Dec 15 09:39:45 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:39:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812151039.46085.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Monday 15 December 2008 10.00:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I would like to discuss the packaging policies of Kdenlive.
>
> I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
> cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
> Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions.

> Of course I did not test all packages, so I might be wrong. Maybe some
> packagers do not simply have the skills to compile Kdenlive cleanly. And
> we cannot expect end-users to be able to compile ffmpeg, MLT and
> Kdenlive with full options turned-on.

The biggest problem I see here is with FFmpeg. Some distros provide an old 
version of FFmpeg or do not provide some codecs. However is is not an easy 
task to replace the "official" FFmpeg packages of a distro by some packages 
provided by us, because that would probably create conflicts with other 
packages in the distro that need the "official" FFmpeg version.

It seems to me that if we start to provide packages by ourselves, that will 
bring more troubles.

Kdenlive 0.7 was released one month ago, and still had some big bugs. I think 
that fixing bugs and having a large community (thanks to the web site) will 
slowly give us a better distribution support.

regards
jb



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 09:35:05 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:35:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812151039.46085.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812151039.46085.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1229333705.15014.1.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:39 +0100, jb wrote:
> The biggest problem I see here is with FFmpeg. Some distros provide an
> old 
> version of FFmpeg or do not provide some codecs.

This is why I propose to make static build of MLT including ffmpeg and
other libraries. Static builds are a good solution for daily packages.

We would propose two packages: mlt and kdenlive.




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 09:36:44 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:36:44 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812151036.45067.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:

> So we need packages:
> 
> @mads: is SuSE providing a build farm? What is the advancement of this
> project?

Yes, however, they explicitly forbid compiling ffmpeg, which have stopped me 
from going this route.

> @dan: do you think it would be possible to build static version of MLT,
> including all ffmpeg stuff staticly.
> 
> The idea would be to provide daily packages.
> 
> I can participate in the project setting-up a farm.
> In France, it is possible to hire computers online for a few bucks.

It think it is entirely feasible to use the build wizard for nightly builds. 
Please note that the GUI part is only really needed to setup the 
configuration - it can run headless from e.g. a cron job when the config has 
been setup. And, it does not need kommander/kmdr-executor at all, when the 
config file is in place. The config file is very easy to write by hand also. 

The greatest obstacle to me is getting all the .spec and .deb files right. 
They more or less need to differ for each distribution, and for many also 
needs to include dependencies outside the std. repos.

Also, doing this will require a lot of man-hours. I do understand the need for 
providing packages[1], but I actually think our time is better spent 
supporting the users that builds from SVN, as they can test the changes we 
make. Beeing very cynical: at this stage, we do not _need_ users that can not 
test the new stuff that jb puts in svn. What we _need_ is users that commits 
patches, really :-)

Getting 1000 new users that relies on packages for their distro (*at this 
stage*) will swamp those of us trying to support them, either through the 
forums, the issue tracker or irc. We will not be able to do it, I think. A 
large number will turn away from Kdenlive, if their experience now with it is 
bad. This clearly is a temporary stage; at some point we will reach critical 
mass and users can start supporting eachother, but I think this it is still 
about 2-3 releases out. Perhaps in 6 months time. If we can maintain a 
momentum with a release every second month, we will get there *very* fast. I 
am very optimistic, but there is some truth to the old saying "grow slow"...

So, while I sympatise with the idea of providing packages, my personal opinion 
is that our effort *right now* is better spent in 

a) providing some of the really needed features (e.g. the spacer tool for 
0.7.1)
b) providing some of the really needed usuability (e.g. easy 
crossfade/dissolve - automatic audio crossfade on transition - render dialog)
c) hardening the code (too many people gets the impression that Kdenlive 
crashes too much. Many of them have a point).

This is my personal opinion really. Jb and Dan may be more optimistic?

Regards

Mads

[1] I spent *many* hours creating the wizard exactly because I wanted to make 
building Kdenlive doable for more than hardcore hackers.

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by
zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed
in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement, but few can
argue with it.
- Kenneth V. Lanning, Supervisory Special Agent at the Behavioral Science
Institution and Research Unit of the FBI Academy (from Carl Sagan's, The
Demon-Haunted World)




From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Dec 15 09:49:14 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:49:14 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
Message-ID: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Monday 15 December 2008 08.45:47 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> It looks as JB is on top of most of the bugs in the 0.7.1 roadmap (as
> opposed to e.g. me, which needs to give some mantis reports some more
> love).

Yes, there are 2 big things I still would like to add:

* Sticky transitions
http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=361
(that would also be a first step to introduce more intelligent crossfades)

* Keyframe editor
http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=270
(not sure I can finish that one in time).

And there are 2 things that need redesign:

* Render dialog redesign
http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=323
(I would like to have a discussion with everyone about that, maybe start a 
forum topic, and yes moackups would be great).

* Shortcuts:
There are many bug reports about missing or bad shortcuts. It would be great 
if someone could gather them and create a list with the required changes so 
that we can agree on something.

If we want to release before end of year, I think we need a string freeze in 
something like 5-6 days, leaving about a week for translators to finish...

Does that seem ok to you ?

regards
jb





From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 09:39:25 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:39:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812151039.25964.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Monday 15 December 2008 10:00:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
> cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
> Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions.

i just want to say that freebsd is getting kdenlive in the near future, i'm 
just waiting for the ffmpeg port to be patched to submit the mlt's and 
kdenlive

> Of course I did not test all packages, so I might be wrong. Maybe some
> packagers do not simply have the skills to compile Kdenlive cleanly. And
> we cannot expect end-users to be able to compile ffmpeg, MLT and
> Kdenlive with full options turned-on.

reading italian feeds, it doesn't seem a problem of skills, actually it's easy 
to compile kdenlive and it's dependencies... the problem is it is LONG, and 
people is scared of starting the process. but when they start, they easily 
(but after some time) get to the end (i've started seeing duplicated ubuntu 
packages on the net...)

> @dan: do you think it would be possible to build static version of MLT,
> including all ffmpeg stuff staticly.

i think the biggest problem is ffmpeg: no official releases. i'm not 
experienced with linux packages, but freebsd checks if a program is actually 
installed (it's libs, it's files), not its port, so if i, let's say, compile 
ffmpeg on my own, and then install mlt and kdenlive from the ports, 
dependencies are respected. now, ffmpeg can be easily compiled (and i know of 
lots of people already doing this): is it possible to create packages which 
checks for its libs, and not for its package (it's a rude hack, i know, but 
ffmpeg packaging is prehistoric...)?
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 10:06:04 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:06:04 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <200812151106.04729.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev jb:
> On Monday 15 December 2008 08.45:47 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > It looks as JB is on top of most of the bugs in the 0.7.1 roadmap (as
> > opposed to e.g. me, which needs to give some mantis reports some more
> > love).
> 
> Yes, there are 2 big things I still would like to add:
> 
> * Sticky transitions
> http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=361
> (that would also be a first step to introduce more intelligent crossfades)

Very nice, if you can make it.
> 
> * Keyframe editor
> http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=270
> (not sure I can finish that one in time).

Would be nice, but not essential, IMHO.

> 
> And there are 2 things that need redesign:
> 
> * Render dialog redesign
> http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=323
> (I would like to have a discussion with everyone about that, maybe start a 
> forum topic, and yes moackups would be great).

A forum topic is a great idea, I think. We need some user input on this. Would 
you like for me to create it?

> 
> * Shortcuts:
> There are many bug reports about missing or bad shortcuts. It would be great 
> if someone could gather them and create a list with the required changes so 
> that we can agree on something.

I'll put this on my todo: http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=471

> 
> If we want to release before end of year, I think we need a string freeze in 
> something like 5-6 days, leaving about a week for translators to finish...
> 
> Does that seem ok to you ?

Yes. I think there is enough substance in the already committed stuff to 
warrant a release, but obviously getting the above included would be great 
too. So, a string freeze in 5-6 days sounds fine to me.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

There has never been a good war or a bad peace.
                           - Benjamin Franklin




From marcozambi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 10:23:46 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:23:46 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
Message-ID: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!
I am currently using KDENLIVE 0.7 svn on Ubuntu (not KUbuntu) 8.10
with big success.
So, as first thing, i want to express my huge appreciation to the
developer team.
Maybe you haven't realized yet that KDEnlive is THE video editing tool
under Linux. So keep up the good work!

I am creating a quite large documentary using KDENLIVE, and I started
my project under 0.5 version, that on Ubuntu worked quite well.
Then Ubuntu 8.04 came out shipping an ultre-super-highly buggy version
0.6-svn of KDENLIVE, that forced me to stop using it. The same is with
8.10's version of KDENLIVE, and I think it's been a huge mistake
committing such a buggy package to be distributed within the most
successful distro out there. This because I've red of many Italian
users really disappointed after have given a try to KDENLIVE. The 0.7
svn of today is largely most stable than the actual Ubuntu 8.10
version. So, giving the fact you are discussing new packaging
policies, please, remember that a disgruntled user is a lost user 90%
of the time. And God knows how much Linux OS-es are in need of a nice,
powerful, user-friendly video editing tool like KDENLIVE is.

Now, forgive me, I have a little wish to express before closing. Is it
feasible to implement pan-zom effects in MLT? I mean the famous
"kenburns" effects you can obtain with dvd-slideshow command line
software.

Keep up the good work, and if you are interested in spying on my
ongoing documentary project (release date on youtube Jan 1st, 2009),
this is a snapshot in lo-fi.
http://www.forumastronautico.it/flv/play.php?entry=9999.flv

Bye!

-- 
Marco Zambianchi
ForumAstronautico.it - Admin * ISAA Association - Founder
AstronautiCAST - Host * Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Fellow



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 10:31:33 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:31:33 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229337093.17380.2.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 11:23 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> So, giving the fact you are discussing new packaging
> policies, please, remember that a disgruntled user is a lost user 90%
> of the time. And God knows how much Linux OS-es are in need of a nice,
> powerful, user-friendly video editing tool like KDENLIVE is.

Our policies are now "publish or perish" and we will make sure to
publish Kdenlive releases every one or two months. 

We wron't let users stuck with old versions. You can consider this issue
fixed.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 10:36:52 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:36:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812151036.45067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812151036.45067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229337412.17380.8.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:36 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> The greatest obstacle to me is getting all the .spec and .deb files
> right. 
> They more or less need to differ for each distribution, and for many
> also 
> needs to include dependencies outside the std. repos.

A few years ago, I took part in pgadmin projects. We build daily RPMs
everyday from SVN and user just loved it. These are static build, with
very few, let us say NO dependency.

Packaging is really the KEY point in the next release. If you don't
provide de working solution, bug fixes to users, they turn away and
write very bad appraisals on Internet. This spreads and ends-up in a bad
situation.

If you consider Kdenlive from the developer point of view, then yes it
is easy to compile. But most Linux users today are non-technical folks
and they don't know how to compile. For example, most of my friends now
use GNU/Linux and none of them know how to compile.

@dan: do you think it is possible to build MLT staticly, with no
dependency to ffmpeg, libavformat and libavcodec being included in MLT
during static compilation. I know this means compiling ffmpeg staticly
against various libraries. What is your technical opinion?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 10:54:28 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:28 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev Marco Zambianchi:
> 
> Now, forgive me, I have a little wish to express before closing. Is it
> feasible to implement pan-zom effects in MLT? I mean the famous
> "kenburns" effects you can obtain with dvd-slideshow command line
> software.

Please do create an issue on our issue tracker: kdenlive.org/mantis - I know 
some infrastructure has been added to mlt already, but I do not think all is 
done.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd
all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to
repetitive electronic music.

                                   --Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989




From marcozambi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 10:59:11 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:11 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>

Mads Bondo Dydensborg ha scritto:
> mandag 15 December 2008 skrev Marco Zambianchi:
>   
>> Now, forgive me, I have a little wish to express before closing. Is it
>> feasible to implement pan-zom effects in MLT? I mean the famous
>> "kenburns" effects you can obtain with dvd-slideshow command line
>> software.
>>     
>
> Please do create an issue on our issue tracker: kdenlive.org/mantis - I know 
> some infrastructure has been added to mlt already, but I do not think all is 
> done.
>
> Regards
>
> Mads
>
>   
Done.
And just for Ubuntu users out there, here is a very useful webpage ;)
https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek/+archive (not really the last svn build, 
but indeed better than the superbogus 0.6-svn version shipped out of the 
box)

-- 
Marco Zambianchi
http://www.forumastronautico.it - Creator & Admin 
http://astronauticast.forumastronautico.it - AstronautiCAST Producer
Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Lecco * Fellow




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 11:08:43 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:08:43 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229337412.17380.8.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812151036.45067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229337412.17380.8.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812151208.44136.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:36 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > The greatest obstacle to me is getting all the .spec and .deb files
> > right. 
> > They more or less need to differ for each distribution, and for many
> > also 
> > needs to include dependencies outside the std. repos.
> 
> A few years ago, I took part in pgadmin projects. We build daily RPMs
> everyday from SVN and user just loved it. These are static build, with
> very few, let us say NO dependency.
> 

OK, building every day from SVN does invalidate some of my concerns.

> If you consider Kdenlive from the developer point of view, then yes it
> is easy to compile. 

I am not sure I agree :-) Also, I get to handle quite a bit of compile support 
on the irc channel - it is not easy, not even with the wizard.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without
knowledge, of things without parallel.
                        - Ambrose Bierce (The Devil's Dictionary)




From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Dec 15 11:23:32 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:23:32 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812151223.32418.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Monday 15 December 2008 11.59:11 Marco Zambianchi wrote:

> And just for Ubuntu users out there, here is a very useful webpage ;)
> https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek/+archive (not really the last svn build,
> but indeed better than the superbogus 0.6-svn version shipped out of the
> box)

Yes, thanks. I just added that repository to our website package info.

regards



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:25:06 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:25:06 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <200812150625.06903.bugsbane@gmail.com>

> * Shortcuts:
> There are many bug reports about missing or bad shortcuts. It would be
> great if someone could gather them and create a list with the required
> changes so that we can agree on something.

I just went through the bug tracker, shortcut config and the forums. While 
there have been a lot of keyboard shortcut requests, almost all of them have 
been implemented (eg render shortcut, ctrl+/- for zoom in/out, I/O for in/out 
points).

Here's a list of what's left, with bug numbers and suggestions where they 
exist {bug#}: {name} ({suggestion}):

370: Play selection (ctrl+space?)
370: Loop selection (shift+space?)
317: Selection tool (s?)
317: Razor tool (r?)
317: Spacer tool
317: Similar future tools that don't yet exist? (???)

Not requested, but outstanding:
000: Add guide
000: Add marker
000: Delete marker
000: Delete guide
000: Delete clip (from Project Tree)
000: Edit clip (in Project Tree)
000: Edit marker
000: Edit guide
000: Zoom to fit project
000: Insert space
000: Remove space
000: Insert track
000: Paste effects
000: Save as (Ctrl+Shift+S?)
000: Show audio thumbnails
000: Show video thumbnails
000: Show markers
000: Snap
000: Change clip speed
000: Add effect
000: Add transition
000: Add color clip
000: Add slideshow
000: Add title
000: Add clip



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 11:28:54 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:28:54 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <200812151223.32418.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk> <4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
	<200812151223.32418.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1229340534.5510.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:23 +0100, jb wrote:
> Yes, thanks. I just added that repository to our website package info.
Vey interesting. Would you agree to be the official maintainer of
kdenlive Ubuntu packages?




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 11:43:03 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:03 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Increasing the upload filesize in mantis?
Message-ID: <200812151243.04103.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all (JB indeed)

We keep "needing" to upload larger than 5 MB clips to mantis. I think raising 
this limit is not possible from the management interface, and in any case, I 
would prefer not to do it, without an OK from JB.

But, I would like for it to go up to e.g. 50MB. 10 secs of DV is about 30-40 
MB, so that would be nice to be able to upload.

Alternatives is to ask people to use split, but it seems rather "old-school".

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

But the Napster case is not just, or even mainly, about piracy. It is about
business models. The industry wants to stick to its old one - selling
expensive compact discs - and to protect it. But Napster's success shows
that there is a lot of appetite for a new model. The old model is legal, but
the new one is not, since the industry refuses to endorse it.

Artists' interests deserve legal protection, within limits; business models
do not.

       - The Economist, 2001.02.24




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 11:39:26 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:39:26 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812150625.06903.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<200812150625.06903.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812151239.26874.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev Cinephiliac:
> > * Shortcuts:
> > There are many bug reports about missing or bad shortcuts. It would be
> > great if someone could gather them and create a list with the required
> > changes so that we can agree on something.
> 
> I just went through the bug tracker, shortcut config and the forums. While 
> there have been a lot of keyboard shortcut requests, almost all of them have 
> been implemented (eg render shortcut, ctrl+/- for zoom in/out, I/O for 
in/out 
> points).
> 
> Here's a list of what's left, with bug numbers and suggestions where they 
> exist {bug#}: {name} ({suggestion}):

Great!

Could I get you to add this to 471, perhaps monitor the issue too? I will want 
to involve you about what keys to use for what, in any case :-)

And, I think I bought ,./ for the razor/space/selection tool, did I not?

Regards

Mads

> 
> 370: Play selection (ctrl+space?)
> 370: Loop selection (shift+space?)
> 317: Selection tool (s?)
> 317: Razor tool (r?)
> 317: Spacer tool
> 317: Similar future tools that don't yet exist? (???)
> 
> Not requested, but outstanding:
> 000: Add guide
> 000: Add marker
> 000: Delete marker
> 000: Delete guide
> 000: Delete clip (from Project Tree)
> 000: Edit clip (in Project Tree)
> 000: Edit marker
> 000: Edit guide
> 000: Zoom to fit project
> 000: Insert space
> 000: Remove space
> 000: Insert track
> 000: Paste effects
> 000: Save as (Ctrl+Shift+S?)
> 000: Show audio thumbnails
> 000: Show video thumbnails
> 000: Show markers
> 000: Snap
> 000: Change clip speed
> 000: Add effect
> 000: Add transition
> 000: Add color clip
> 000: Add slideshow
> 000: Add title
> 000: Add clip
> 
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From bugsbane at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:53:43 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:53:43 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812150653.43706.bugsbane@gmail.com>


> And just for Ubuntu users out there, here is a very useful webpage ;)
> https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek/+archive (not really the last svn build,
> but indeed better than the superbogus 0.6-svn version shipped out of the
> box)

I just noticed that FFMPEG isn't included in here. Obviously it's in the 
Ubuntu repo's, but are those one's likely to be up to date enough?

My Kubuntu version of FFMPEG shows svn20080206, but then I have backports 
enabled. Not sure what the standard repo's have.



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 12:30:52 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:30:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <200812150653.43706.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk> <4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
	<200812150653.43706.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229344252.8497.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 06:53 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> My Kubuntu version of FFMPEG shows svn20080206, but then I have
> backports 
> enabled. Not sure what the standard repo's have.

Good catch.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ffmpeg

Hummm ... 20080206 as well. 
This means no AVCHD, bad h264 and so on.




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 12:36:53 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:36:53 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <200812151223.32418.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <c8c72b140812150223t49ac6b88x7cfe33c58b745b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812151154.29378.mads@dydensborg.dk> <4946387F.2060202@gmail.com>
	<200812151223.32418.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1229344613.8912.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:23 +0100, jb wrote:
> 
> > And just for Ubuntu users out there, here is a very useful
> webpage ;)
> > https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek/+archive (not really the last svn
> build,
> > but indeed better than the superbogus 0.6-svn version shipped out of
> the
> > box)

Could you also provide freiOr for video effects and then recompile MLT?




From marcozambi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:46:24 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:46:24 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug submitted for adding track feature.
Message-ID: <49464390.5040003@gmail.com>

This morning I am prettyfully obsessive.
I've just addedd a mantis ticket for the "add/remove track"  feature.
I've seen it's been checked out as solved, but even compiling with 
updated svn sources (updated this morning at about 9.30 am CST) i 
continue to experience crashes.
http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=474

-- 
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http://astronauticast.forumastronautico.it - AstronautiCAST Producer
Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Lecco * Fellow




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 12:53:05 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:53:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1229345585.9766.1.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:49 +0100, jb wrote:
> Does that seem ok to you ?

IMHO we should not think in terms of features, but release date. Choose
a release date. Whatever is done, release ... This will allow packagers
to work. 95% users don't compile from SVN and they will get most fixes.
This will make them happy.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From marcozambi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:43:27 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
Message-ID: <494642DF.2050305@gmail.com>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:23 +0100, jb wrote:
 >> Yes, thanks. I just added that repository to our website package info.
 >Vey interesting. Would you agree to be the official maintainer of
 >kdenlive Ubuntu packages?

Well, if you were "speaking" to me, I am just a user.
The owner of the PPA page is Tom?? Pik?lek, and these are his contacts 
notes: https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek
I hope he'll be interested.

-- 
Marco Zambianchi
http://www.forumastronautico.it - Creator & Admin 
http://astronauticast.forumastronautico.it - AstronautiCAST Producer
Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Lecco * Fellow




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 13:30:07 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:30:07 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Just my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <494642DF.2050305@gmail.com>
References: <494642DF.2050305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229347807.11982.0.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:43 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> Well, if you were "speaking" to me, I am just a user.
> The owner of the PPA page is Tom?? Pik?lek, and these are his
> contacts 
> notes: https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek
> I hope he'll be interested.

Can you ask him to package freior effects as mentioned here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 13:43:41 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:43:41 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] VDPAU + avchd + mplayer demo
Message-ID: <1229348621.12769.0.camel@debian>

http://www.kdenlive.org/kdenlive-nvidia-vdpau-ffmpeg-patch




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 14:27:40 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:27:40 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT static compilation
Message-ID: <1229351260.15153.2.camel@debian>

A friend of mine pointed out this project, which relies on ffmpeg and
provides static binaries to avoid ffmpeg version problems and
dependencies: http://handbrake.f

According to him, it should be possible to link mlt staticly and provide
a larger binary, but including all latest features and codecs.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:41:02 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore brigaglia)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:41:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812151208.44136.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812151036.45067.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229337412.17380.8.camel@debian>
	<200812151208.44136.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <a975c7820812150641l1874cadvda28bedbe88495cb@mail.gmail.com>

openSUSE packages are provided by the packman project. I mailed
directly to the packager witch kindly answered in some hours.
kdenlive packages on packman are release-following but i can try to
ask a, let say, weekly build to get those users who want latest
patches bleeding edge.

FFmpeg is also (some sort of) weekly on packman. MLT is on 0.3.2, but
is from the same packager of kdenlive and i think he will update on
our request.

this affects openSUSE for sure, but i can see that packman also
provides an ubuntu/debian repo (but i'm unable to check if kdenlive
pkgs are it it).

I'll mail him tonight and will report here

-- 
-- 
___
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-italia.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 15:15:22 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:15:22 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Compiling staticly guide
Message-ID: <1229354122.15921.9.camel@debian>

I am writing a short guide explaining how to compile MLT and Kdenlive
staticly against FFmpeg svn. Thanks to Dave Wiki. 

Here it is:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-package-kdenlive-and-mlt-staticly

I propose that we go deeper into testing static builds. When working, we
could email package maintainers with precise instructions to compile MLT
and Kdenlive staticly.

What do you think?

Dave: when fetching ffmpeg in MLT compilation, would it be possible to
indicate a release?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 15 15:49:16 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:49:16 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Adding unittests to kdenlive?
In-Reply-To: <200812151027.23665.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812150839.36392.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<200812151027.23665.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <200812151649.17092.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev jb:
> On Monday 15 December 2008 08.39:36 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > As kdenlive is clearly very much a GUI program major parts of kdenlive can
> > not be unittested. However, some parts can. Right now I would like to
> > create a unit test for part of the KdenliveDoc::convertDocument() 
function.
> > I am capable of doing this, but would like to know beforehand if it would
> > be OK with all? (Especially JB, I reckon).
> 
> I have absolutely no experience in unit tests, but I admit that it would be 
> great to have an automated way to check the loading / saving of documents 
> whenever some changes are made to the kdenlive document format.

I will add something then.

How about asserts?

A number of functions could benefit from asserts, I think. Look at 
http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=472

It crashes in:

void ClipItem::setEffectAt(int ix, QDomElement effect) {
    kDebug() << "CHange EFFECT AT: " << ix << ", CURR: " << 
m_effectList.at(ix).attribute("tag") << ", NEW: " << effect.attribute("tag");

because m_effectList is empty.

Would you mind me adding 
Q_ASSERT_X( m_effectList.size() > ix, "ClipItem::setEffectAt", QString( "Index 
ix = %1 is out of bounds, m_effectList.size() = %2. Kdenlive expected that 
more than ix effects were present" ). arg ( ix ). arg( m_effectList.size() );

or similar to that function? (I'll use the correct QString syntax, can't 
recall right now). And other places, where I stumble on similar situations?

I know that QList will assert on debug builds, but it would be nice to get a 
bit more information.

There are also a number of potential NULL references, that I would like to 
assert.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the 
country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the 
people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a 
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can 
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have 
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for 
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.

          - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials



From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec 15 18:19:50 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:19:50 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT static compilation
In-Reply-To: <1229351260.15153.2.camel@debian>
References: <1229351260.15153.2.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812151019h60950403uc6f09b11784fadf4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine pointed out this project, which relies on ffmpeg and
> provides static binaries to avoid ffmpeg version problems and
> dependencies: http://handbrake.f
>
> According to him, it should be possible to link mlt staticly and provide
> a larger binary, but including all latest features and codecs.

As you know by now, you can do this, but for version management of MLT
-to- FFmpeg there are a few options:

1.) As is now - try to keep it working with many versions with some
caveats. For example, you need to relatively new version to get
support for audio formats other than S16LE.

2.) When I make a release, clearly publish the FFmpeg version I was
using in final days of testing.

3.) Periodically include a snapshot of the FFmpeg source code.

4.) Add a build option alongside --avformat-svn to retrieve trunk or a
specific revision where it defaults to the specific tested rev on a
release version.

I plan to do #2 in the next release (real soon now). I might get
around to #4 next. #3 provides the most insulation, but at the risk of
falling behind FFmpeg improvements. However, this issue applies to
other packages and where will it end? For example, sox has given me
much more version compatibility pain than anything else. And shall I
include ffmpeg dependencies such as x264, since a few months ago,
FFmpeg started requiring a newer version than many distros have? All
of a sudden, this quickly turns into a job similar to that of a distro
maintainer, and my time is better spent elsewhere. I tend to let the
level of nuisance push me to new measures, and right now it is not so
bad for FFmpeg, but the least I can do is #2 to prevent to total
ambiguity.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 15 18:43:03 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:03 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Mlt-devel]  MLT static compilation
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812151019h60950403uc6f09b11784fadf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229351260.15153.2.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812151019h60950403uc6f09b11784fadf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229366583.5338.5.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:19 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I tend to let the
> level of nuisance push me to new measures, and right now it is not so
> bad for FFmpeg, but the least I can do is #2 to prevent to total
> ambiguity.

I understand your point and I am not asking you to release FFmpeg along
with MLT. In fact, I plan to handle packaging of Kdenlive. 

My first step is writing a static compilation howto:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-package-kdenlive-and-mlt-staticly

Then I plan to define precisely MLT modules and ffmpeg compilation flags
and contact package maintainer to ask them to produce the same MLT and
Kdenlive versions. otherwize, someone will provide h264, another
packager will not. All this will end-up in a giant mess.

Don't worry, I will handle communicatin with maintainer. All I need now
is to be able to compile MLT staticly, which I am not.

So if you could explain what goes wrong here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-package-kdenlive-and-mlt-staticly

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec 15 18:52:55 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:52:55 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <1229345585.9766.1.camel@debian>
References: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<1229345585.9766.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812151052i7eb3794fl7d4d63494998f9f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:49 +0100, jb wrote:
>> Does that seem ok to you ?
>
> IMHO we should not think in terms of features, but release date. Choose
> a release date. Whatever is done, release ... This will allow packagers
> to work. 95% users don't compile from SVN and they will get most fixes.
> This will make them happy.

I agree on the importance of a bug fix release shortly after the 0.7.0
major new release. I am not making any major changes in MLT for the
next release. I originally mentioned something about better time
support, but that is on hold as I put attention on the bugs (and more
documentation to help prepare me for the coming changes). I suggest
kdenlive tackle the "low-hanging fruit" outside of bugs. For example,
the key frame editor does not make a whole lot of sense without more
support for key framing in MLT and the way in which it works targetted
for change.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From protux at web.de  Mon Dec 15 20:21:28 2008
From: protux at web.de (reinhard)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:21:28 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Info for the 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812150625.06903.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <200812151049.14183.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<200812150625.06903.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229372488.6357.39.camel@ubuntubox>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 06:25 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> > * Shortcuts:
> > There are many bug reports about missing or bad shortcuts. It would be
> > great if someone could gather them and create a list with the required
> > changes so that we can agree on something.

Hi,

IMHO it is also, if not more?!?, important to point out more clearly
that the user can assign own shortcuts, using the 'configure shortcuts'
dialog, and don't need to stick with the default ones!
Maybe some avid or premiere users - who might be interested to switch
over to kdenlive ;) - might want to use his/her video editing keyboard,
like this one for example....
http://www.logickeyboard.com/shop/default.asp?SetLng=4&BypassShopClosed=1
...also with kdenlive.

So, they just have to map some shortcuts, to the keyboard, to fit their
needs...

So, maybe it would be a good thing then to offer more of avid/premiere
basic functionality like 'goto in/out point', 'go 10 frames
back/forward',....

greetings
reinhard




From bugsbane at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 20:24:54 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:24:54 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug submitted for adding track feature.
In-Reply-To: <49464390.5040003@gmail.com>
References: <49464390.5040003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812151524.54878.bugsbane@gmail.com>

On Monday 15 December 2008 06:46:24 Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> I've just addedd a mantis ticket for the "add/remove track"  feature.
> I've seen it's been checked out as solved, but even compiling with
> updated svn sources (updated this morning at about 9.30 am CST) i
> continue to experience crashes.
> http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=474

Actually it's just marked as feedback, which means that it's waiting for 
something from you (in this case the .kdenlive file and trying on a revision 
higher than 2786).

This bug's ready to move forward when you are. :)



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 02:58:33 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:58:33 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812160358.34232.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Saturday 13 December 2008 23:31:42 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> I added some informations:
> http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-packages
>
> In particular, I added compilation options to ffmpeg to be able to
> handle more formats. If there was any error, please modify the text
> directly on the web page.

i've just noticed you didn't mention recordmydesktop as a kdenlive dependency. 
i'm building right now a final port for freebsd and i'm adding it as a dep... 
is this correct?

please, help me: dvgrab and recordmydesktop are OPTIONALLY required, right? 
when i install them, they start working in kdenlive? and what about 
video4linux? does it need to be compiled against (i'm not on linux so i don't 
know if it's a lib, or what else), or it works as the two programs above?
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From dan at dennedy.org  Tue Dec 16 05:45:47 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:45:47 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
In-Reply-To: <1229328222.5383.10.camel@debian>
References: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229328222.5383.10.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812152145r8ec687chd8464e90a4de989f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 21:33 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> I believe all cards that support VDPAU and CUDA require PCI Express
>> x16. I do not have any computers that support that! My main
>> workstation is a dual Athlon 2000 from 2001, which was high end for
>> the time. It only has AGP, but it is still a decent desktop system by
>> even today's standards. I can not even locate a video card at a
>> physical retailer that carries cards for AGP! Last spring I built a
>> Quad Core system to mimic the setup of the a product I was helping to
>> develop for a commercial MLT user. It only supports up to x8 PCI
>> Express. I do have a MacBook Pro from my employer with an 8600M GT,
>> but it is not clear if it is supported. I have 64-bit Arch Linux
>> running on it, and I will see if I can get it working.
>
>
> I compiled yesterday night, it works super-fast.
> My laptop was bought for 450? and has a GeForce 8400.
> Viewing the AVCHD file requires 10% computer power, nothing.

I got it working on my MacBook Pro, and I agree it is very nice. I
reviewed the API as well. It will take a lot of work to integrate it,
but we have the mplayer patch and MythTV's integration to learn from
it. Oh well, another thing to add to my ToDo list.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec 16 06:48:06 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:48:06 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <200812160358.34232.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<200812160358.34232.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 03:58 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
> please, help me: dvgrab and recordmydesktop are OPTIONALLY required,
> right? 

Both are required as dependencies. Recordmydesktop is need by Kdenlive
SVN and Kdenlive 0.7.1. Dvgrab is used directly when capturing video.

Video4linux seems independent.

Feel free to contact me at any moment. My Gtalk account is jm at poure.com

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel Pour?




From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec 16 06:49:09 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:49:09 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812152145r8ec687chd8464e90a4de989f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229328222.5383.10.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812152145r8ec687chd8464e90a4de989f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229410149.5614.3.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 21:45 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I got it working on my MacBook Pro, and I agree it is very nice. I
> reviewed the API as well. It will take a lot of work to integrate it,
> but we have the mplayer patch and MythTV's integration to learn from
> it. Oh well, another thing to add to my ToDo list.

Take your time. You may also ask publicly for integration and some
hacker will submit a patch. 

Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From dan at dennedy.org  Tue Dec 16 19:40:52 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:40:52 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<200812160358.34232.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 03:58 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
>> please, help me: dvgrab and recordmydesktop are OPTIONALLY required,

"optionally required" is an oxymoron.

>> right?
>
> Both are required as dependencies. Recordmydesktop is need by Kdenlive
> SVN and Kdenlive 0.7.1. Dvgrab is used directly when capturing video.

Are you guys trying to determine the proper rules or the proper
explanation? Either way, you are both wrong.

These are not required to build and install kdenlive. They are
optional dependencies. Capture from firewire is optional but dependent
upon dvgrab in your path if you want to use it. Screen capture is an
optional feature that is dependent upon the recordmydesktop utility in
your path.

> Video4linux seems independent.

Why do you take a different perspective on this one? This is an
optional dependency on ffmpeg, the utility, being in your path.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From steletch at free.fr  Tue Dec 16 19:41:58 2008
From: steletch at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?T=E9letch=E9a_St=E9phane?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:41:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <49480486.9040509@free.fr>

Jean-Michel Pour? a ?crit :
> Dear friends,
>
> I would like to discuss the packaging policies of Kdenlive. 
>
> I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
> cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
> Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions. 
>   

and Mandriva, we try to stay quite close to the developpment, and so far 
releases from 2008.0, 2008.1 and 2009.0 had a working kdenlive...

-- 
http://www.steletch.org
Mandriva Linux release 2008.0 (Official) @ http://www.mandriva.com/
 18:46:31 up 12 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.08, 0.08




From dan at dennedy.org  Tue Dec 16 19:49:16 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:49:16 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
In-Reply-To: <1229410149.5614.3.camel@debian>
References: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229328222.5383.10.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812152145r8ec687chd8464e90a4de989f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229410149.5614.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812161149j56cb80e3leb04d7d213a3644c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 21:45 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> I got it working on my MacBook Pro, and I agree it is very nice. I
>> reviewed the API as well. It will take a lot of work to integrate it,
>> but we have the mplayer patch and MythTV's integration to learn from
>> it. Oh well, another thing to add to my ToDo list.
>
> Take your time. You may also ask publicly for integration and some
> hacker will submit a patch.

Can I ask some hacker to take over duties maintaining mlt, kino,
libdv, libraw1394, libavc1394, libiec61883, and dvgrab so I can
abandon this miserable abomination of a hobby that only serves to
isolate me from my family, leave me unfulfilled with my employment,
and for which I can no longer afford the equipment to continue and
grow it due to the cost of living in the civilized western world
without having to move to some crime-ridden neighborhood or other city
with little job opportunity in the software industry?

-- 
+-DRD-+



From radarsat1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 04:42:00 2008
From: radarsat1 at gmail.com (Stephen Sinclair)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:42:00 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] patch to check filter validity
Message-ID: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I found that sometimes kdenlive would crash on me and running under
gdb it seemed that it was because it was trying to set a property of a
filter where the "instance" member was zero.  I saw that the krender.c
code does not check whether filters are valid after it creates them,
so the attached patch seemed to help.

Please let me know if there's a different method for submitting
patches for this project, I couldn't see a process described on the
web site.


Steve
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From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 07:22:26 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:22:26 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <49480486.9040509@free.fr>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>  <49480486.9040509@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1229498546.5484.8.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 20:41 +0100, T?letch?a St?phane wrote:
> and Mandriva, we try to stay quite close to the developpment, and so
> far 
> releases from 2008.0, 2008.1 and 2009.0 had a working kdenlive...

Dear St?phane,

Thank you very much for your work.

I could not find a direct link to Mandriva 2009 packages.
On RPM bone I could find Kdenlive 0.7 packages.
Any link to some kind of launchpad?

Could you give us more information about Mandriva packages:
* Which FFmpeg version.
* Which FFmpeg compilation options? with libx264 libraries, libmp3lame,
theroa, vorbis, dirac, etc ... ?
* Do you provide FreiOr video effects?

Then we will add the following information on:
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/mandriva-packages

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 07:34:10 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:34:10 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] ffmpeg VDPO patch for h264 decoding
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812161149j56cb80e3leb04d7d213a3644c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229272604.6763.11.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812142133g34b16ba1w73df592f61483dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229328222.5383.10.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812152145r8ec687chd8464e90a4de989f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229410149.5614.3.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161149j56cb80e3leb04d7d213a3644c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229499250.5484.20.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 11:49 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> Can I ask some hacker to take over duties maintaining mlt, kino,
> libdv, libraw1394, libavc1394, libiec61883, and dvgrab so I can
> abandon this miserable abomination of a hobby that only serves to
> isolate me from my family, leave me unfulfilled with my employment,
> and for which I can no longer afford the equipment to continue and
> grow it due to the cost of living in the civilized western world
> without having to move to some crime-ridden neighborhood or other city
> with little job opportunity in the software industry?

This was posted with a sence of humor, but we should call for more
developpers to join Kdenlive and help you support these core libraries.

I will add a "Who is behind Kdenlive" page on the website. JB and Dan, I
would appreciate a photo. If you don't want your face displayed, send me
something to display.

Maybe this page could serve explain where are the needs and how gifted
developers can help. People don't understand immediatly that we need
help. Unless you explain very carefuly.

Besides, there is a need to implement VDPAU patch in MLT to display h264
and AVCHD smothly.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 07:35:54 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:35:54 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] patch to check filter validity
In-Reply-To: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229499354.5484.23.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 23:42 -0500, Stephen Sinclair wrote:
> Please let me know if there's a different method for submitting
> patches for this project, I couldn't see a process described on the
> web site.

I will add a process on the web site. Mads wrote some bug reports
policies that I would like to see also on the website.

The process is to create an issue on the bug tracker. But this is okay
for this patch, it will get through.

Kind regards and thank you for your help.

Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Wed Dec 17 07:39:55 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:39:55 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] patch to check filter validity
In-Reply-To: <1229499354.5484.23.camel@debian>
References: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229499354.5484.23.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812170839.56085.mads@dydensborg.dk>

onsdag 17 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 23:42 -0500, Stephen Sinclair wrote:
> > Please let me know if there's a different method for submitting
> > patches for this project, I couldn't see a process described on the
> > web site.
> 
> I will add a process on the web site. Mads wrote some bug reports
> policies that I would like to see also on the website.

Yes, it is on my todo. It has grown considerably during the last few weeks - I 
*will* get around to it, but I acknowledge that the speed is not impressive. 
Sorry about that.

Regards

Mads


-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it.
  - Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 1907 (many times wrongfully
    attributed to Voltaire)



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 17 07:49:08 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:49:08 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<200812160358.34232.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812162349p2cb1df33ub8380176a64f0dff@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 03:58 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
>>> please, help me: dvgrab and recordmydesktop are OPTIONALLY required,
>
> "optionally required" is an oxymoron.
>
>> Both are required as dependencies. Recordmydesktop is need by Kdenlive
>> SVN and Kdenlive 0.7.1. Dvgrab is used directly when capturing video.
>
> Are you guys trying to determine the proper rules or the proper
> explanation? Either way, you are both wrong.

sorry if this came across too harsh. I did not mean that "you" are
both wrong, but they "they" are both wrong - the rules and/or the
explanation.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 07:51:40 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:51:40 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812162349p2cb1df33ub8380176a64f0dff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<200812160358.34232.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812162349p2cb1df33ub8380176a64f0dff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229500300.5484.25.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 23:49 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> sorry if this came across too harsh. I did not mean that "you" are
> both wrong, but they "they" are both wrong - the rules and/or the
> explanation.

Don't worry.




From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 07:58:46 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:58:46 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812162349p2cb1df33ub8380176a64f0dff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812162349p2cb1df33ub8380176a64f0dff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812170858.47716.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 17 December 2008 08:49:08 Dan Dennedy wrote:
> sorry if this came across too harsh. I did not mean that "you" are
> both wrong, but they "they" are both wrong - the rules and/or the
> explanation.

don't worry, your interventions are always resolutive :)

> "optionally required" is an oxymoron.

my english! :P

> > Both are required as dependencies. Recordmydesktop is need by Kdenlive
> > SVN and Kdenlive 0.7.1. Dvgrab is used directly when capturing video.
>
> These are not required to build and install kdenlive. They are
> optional dependencies. Capture from firewire is optional but dependent
> upon dvgrab in your path if you want to use it. Screen capture is an
> optional feature that is dependent upon the recordmydesktop utility in
> your path.

that's what i wanted to know, thanks!

> > Video4linux seems independent.
>
> Why do you take a different perspective on this one? This is an
> optional dependency on ffmpeg, the utility, being in your path.

i didn't know about it, now i think i got it
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 08:02:24 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:02:24 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <200812170858.47716.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812162349p2cb1df33ub8380176a64f0dff@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812170858.47716.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229500944.8862.3.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 08:58 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
> > "optionally required" is an oxymoron.
> my english! :P

My car does not require gazoline, but it is optionally required :)




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 08:50:18 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:50:18 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
Message-ID: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

For http://www.kdenlive.org project, I am trying to determine the
hardware requirements to decode h264/AVCHD interactively. 

When using AVCHD camcorder, we would like to inform end-users of
hardware requirements.

I know hardware acceleration is coming along with Nvidia VDPAU patch
that we ***may*** implement in MLT, depending on development resources.
Until then, we rely entirely on FFmpeg optimisations and multithreading.

My questions:

* Is anyone with a dual-core/quad-core computer able to decode one of
these movies interactively:
http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/avchd-test-1.mts
http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/avchd-test-2.mts
http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/avchd-test-3.mts
http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/avchd-test-4.mts
http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/avchd-test-5.mts

These files come out a HD AVCHD camcorder. Use ffplay to test. If one
movie plays in slow motion, others will. No need to test everything.

My dual-core computer is not able to decode interectively any of these
movies.

* Does h264 and AVCHD use sliced decoding which I saw in SVN? Is h264
decoding really multi-threaded? When using ffplay, I see only one core
working at 100%. How to activate multi-threading decoding. Can we expect
to decode AVCHD with a quad-core?

Thank you for your answers. According to your information, we will
publish information on kdenlive web site.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jb at kdenlive.org  Wed Dec 17 08:59:52 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:59:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] patch to check filter validity
In-Reply-To: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812170959.52905.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Wednesday 17 December 2008 05.42:00 Stephen Sinclair wrote:
> I found that sometimes kdenlive would crash on me and running under
> gdb it seemed that it was because it was trying to set a property of a
> filter where the "instance" member was zero.  I saw that the krender.c
> code does not check whether filters are valid after it creates them,
> so the attached patch seemed to help.

First, thanks for the patch. However, you submitted a patch against an old 
version of Kdenlive which is not supported anymore (Kdenlive 0.5 or 0.6).

Please consider upgrading to the latest version. I?committed a fix against 
current svn that is based on your patch, so this should solve the problem for 
the upcoming 0.7.1 release.

regards
jb




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 09:17:25 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:17:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Footage page
Message-ID: <1229505445.3669.1.camel@debian>

I added a footage page on Kdenlive web site:
http://www.kdenlive.org/developer-manual/footage

To add media, send an email to the list with a downloadable link and I
will publish the files in our media directory.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Wed Dec 17 10:23:25 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:23:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 12 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 03:17 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> > 
> > Screencapture of currrent template with new icon:
> > http://projects.zeno.thinkhost.com/kdenlive/Newlogo_Screengrab.png
> 
> This logo is nice and fits well in the web, 
> but I am not in favour of using it. 

I just wanted to comment a bit about this discussion, which kind of died here.

The current logo depicts (I have only realized this, after looking at in high 
resolution on the homepage) two pieces of celluoid film beeing "spliced" with 
a splicing tool. Up until today I did not realize this.

I recall my dad having such a tool, when I was a kid (around 1980), for 
splicing 8mm movies. I can say with almost 100% confidence, that I will, 
outside the context of a museum, never encounter such a tool for the 
remainder of my life. It is my understanding that much moviemaking now is 
digitally recorded, digitally clipped, and digitally distributed. 

The contrast from the tool to what Kdenlive actually does: working 100% with 
digital media is striking. Also, using a clapboard signals that the user 
should be able to concentrate on the footage, that is, getting the shots. The 
editor (Kdenlive in this case) will just plainly work for him. OTOH, the 
splicing tool signals a manual, tedious, error-prone process. (This may be 
overstating my case, but you get the point. I realize that the splicing tool 
can be a comment to a workflow that Kdenlive replaces, but I think that is 
too convoluted).

Contryary to the splicing tool, the clapboard is an element of filmmaking that 
is immediately regonized. (My spelling is even worse today than normally, 
please forgive me). I think even my 8 year old kid will know that such an 
item is associated with filmmaking. I can guarantee that he would not be able 
to decipher the current Kdenlive logo. I do not think he ever will. Did I 
mention that he has already put small films on youtube? He is in the target 
group, very much IMO, of Kdenlive.

But, I do not think he has ever actually seen a piece of celluiod film. Nor do 
I expect him to. 

If I had just installed a movie editor, Cinephiliacs logo/icon is the kind of 
icon I would hunt for in the menus. I think even my kid would locate it 
quickly.

The drawback obviously, is that a number of other video editors have also 
settled for clapboards as an element. This includes avidemux, FCP, IMovie and 
Kino. Especially for IMovie, I think there is a very good reason Apple have 
choosen a clapboard - it just says "movie editing; click here!".

However, I still think that Cinephiliacs icon is sufficiently different from 
the other icons to work in a menu with them, and I truly do not think that 
Apple will ever sue the Kdenlive Community for using an icon that looks like 
FCP's or IMovie's. The worst will be a cease-and-desist, and that is 
managable. And, really, even that I do not think will happen. They do not 
look that much alike, really. In fact, should we get the attention of Apple 
in such a way, I think it would be flattering.

Other points I like about Cinephiliacs logo: 
- it is much more "KDE" and "KDE4" than the current icon, both due to the 
choice of colors and the embedded K
- is colors are nicer.
- it looks more professional

Everything above is just my personal opinion though. There is no pressing need 
to change to a new logo *right now*, but I think we should, actually, for 0.8 
or thereabouts.

Regards

Mads

> My reasons (personal):
> 
> * A logo should be easy to identify. Presently your logo looks like
> avidemux and Kino. The fact that it looks exactly like Kino is blocking.
> User choosing from a menu may lauch Kino.
> 
> * Your logo looks very much like Final Cut pro. I searched "Final Cut
> pro logo" on Google images. I think FCP logo is a registered trademark.
> We may be suited for legal reasons, which is ***very*** blocking.
> 
> * The existing Kdenlive logo is very well stylized. I had great feedback
> from web developers when discussing about it. Other Logo I like: F-Spot,
> Iceweasel, qJack, Audacity, etc ...
> 
> If you or anyone comes up with another logo, at any moment we may decide
> to switch to a newer logo. In the present situation, I am not,
> personaly, in favour of switching to a new logo.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the 
country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the 
people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a 
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can 
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have 
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for 
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.

          - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 10:32:29 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:32:29 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812120317.49318.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229072455.11409.10.camel@debian>
	<200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 11:23 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> However, I still think that Cinephiliacs icon is sufficiently
> different from 
> the other icons to work in a menu with them, and I truly do not think
> that 
> Apple will ever sue the Kdenlive Community for using an icon that
> looks like 
> FCP's or IMovie's. 

If you have a look at Apple FCP clapboard, it is very much the same:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2419138485_1832b1e6c1.jpg?v=0

FCP icon is a registered trademark. Trademarks include names and icons.
You cannot simply do it and this is a legal issue.

Would you agree to rename Kdenlive "Final Cut". This is simply
impossible and illegal. 

What you propose is exactly the same. Using FCP logo or a ressembling
logo is im-po-ssi-ble.

The word ressembling means in legal terms that a basic user (my mother)
could possibly (sometimes) be mistaken and run Kdenlive instead of FCP.

I am very sorry for that.
There is plenty of other choices for Kdenlive logo.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 10:46:00 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore Brigaglia)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:46:00 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Footage page
In-Reply-To: <1229505445.3669.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229505445.3669.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171146.00541.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 10:17:25 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> I added a footage page on Kdenlive web site:
> http://www.kdenlive.org/developer-manual/footage
Do you intend to create a re-usable clip repository to share clips everyone 
can use on their videos (like backgrounds, panoramas and such) or a repository 
for test-clips?
-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 10:55:15 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:55:15 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Footage page
In-Reply-To: <200812171146.00541.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229505445.3669.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171146.00541.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229511315.13695.2.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 11:46 +0100, Salvatore Brigaglia wrote:
> Do you intend to create a re-usable clip repository to share clips
> everyone 
> can use on their videos (like backgrounds, panoramas and such) or a
> repository 
> for test-clips?

Adding such a private space would be great, I will add it my to-do-list.
Maybe we could then fetch using Kdenlive directly :)

Presently, this page is only for testing and bug reports. I will also
add links to some files available on internet.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 11:14:57 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:14:57 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On luned? 15 dicembre 2008 10:00:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
> cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
> Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions.

I had a couple of e-mails with Toni, the Kdenlive packager for packam project 
witch provides kdenlive to most opensuse distributions.
He says that it can be done to add a kdenlive-unstable, mlt-unstable and 
mlt++-unstable packages and updates will only be a matter of free time of the 
packager. -unstable and released packages will be mutually exclusive.

The only problem, which i didn't completely understand, is talking about mlt-
unstable libraries which should be different from stable ones. Follows what he 
said:
***
[...]
And the kdenlive-unstable will Requires: mlt-unstable* and mlt++-unstable and 
is mutally eclusive to kdenlive. The only problem we should be aware: I would 
prefer that the so-names of the unstable mlt-packages are different to the 
released ones. Otherwise it would be harder to keep them mutually eclusive.
***

I said that i will let him know when the packager's page on kdenlive.org will 
be ready with sugested compilation flag and such.

regards


-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From elhoir at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 11:58:55 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812170358iaa326fjdb398d377c2da18e@mail.gmail.com>

h all

im using Ubuntu 8.10, and i would love to help you building kdenlive... the
bad news are that i have almost never succesfully built a package :-P

i would need some info to tell to the .deb builder, such as dependencies,
which i dont know which they are

this way i learn to do it myself too :)

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, opensourcecat <opensourcecat at gmail.com>wrote:

> On luned? 15 dicembre 2008 10:00:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> > I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
> > cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
> > Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions.
>
> I had a couple of e-mails with Toni, the Kdenlive packager for packam
> project
> witch provides kdenlive to most opensuse distributions.
> He says that it can be done to add a kdenlive-unstable, mlt-unstable and
> mlt++-unstable packages and updates will only be a matter of free time of
> the
> packager. -unstable and released packages will be mutually exclusive.
>
> The only problem, which i didn't completely understand, is talking about
> mlt-
> unstable libraries which should be different from stable ones. Follows what
> he
> said:
> ***
> [...]
> And the kdenlive-unstable will Requires: mlt-unstable* and mlt++-unstable
> and
> is mutally eclusive to kdenlive. The only problem we should be aware: I
> would
> prefer that the so-names of the unstable mlt-packages are different to the
> released ones. Otherwise it would be harder to keep them mutually eclusive.
> ***
>
> I said that i will let him know when the packager's page on kdenlive.orgwill
> be ready with sugested compilation flag and such.
>
> regards
>
>
> --
> ________________________
> Salvatore Brigaglia
> http://www.kde-it.org
> http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com
>
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From mads at dydensborg.dk  Wed Dec 17 12:04:43 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:04:43 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171304.43526.mads@dydensborg.dk>

onsdag 17 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 11:23 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > However, I still think that Cinephiliacs icon is sufficiently
> > different from 
> > the other icons to work in a menu with them, and I truly do not think
> > that 
> > Apple will ever sue the Kdenlive Community for using an icon that
> > looks like 
> > FCP's or IMovie's. 
> 
> If you have a look at Apple FCP clapboard, it is very much the same:
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2419138485_1832b1e6c1.jpg?v=0
> 
> FCP icon is a registered trademark. Trademarks include names and icons.
> You cannot simply do it and this is a legal issue.
> 

[...]
> 
> The word ressembling means in legal terms that a basic user (my mother)
> could possibly (sometimes) be mistaken and run Kdenlive instead of FCP.
> 
> I am very sorry for that.

I think your assement of the situation is wrong. I am not prepared to make an 
issue out of it, however.

Regards

Mads

P.S. I was unable to find anything but textual trademarks for Final Cut at 
http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm - if you have a reference to the 
trademark registering for the Final Cut Pro Logo/Icon I would be happy to get 
it.

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The US population is 4 % of the global one. They produce 23 % of the global 
pollution.



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 11:47:47 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

a user on irc let me know that the ubuntu package we link (0.7 stable) does 
not contain any luma file...
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 11:45:38 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:45:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171245.38436.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 09:50:18 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> My dual-core computer is not able to decode interectively any of these
> movies.
I don't have Nvidia but intel on a dual-core intel core duo "2140 @1.60Ghz" 
system.

ffplay shows the video in slow-motion and only first CPU is used. I'm using 
the latest FFmpeg from svn with internal x264 without --enable-libx264  and 
with --enable-pthread option on configure.
-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 13:51:02 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:51:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812171304.43526.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
	<200812171304.43526.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229521862.29972.0.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 13:04 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> I think your assement of the situation is wrong. I am not prepared to
> make an 
> issue out of it, however.

I changed my mind after not being able to bluild static versions of MLT
+ FFmpeg. Kind regards, JMP




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 13:53:15 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:53:15 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229521995.29972.3.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 12:47 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
> a user on irc let me know that the ubuntu package we link (0.7 stable)
> does 
> not contain any luma file...

Copy sent to the package maintainer.
Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 14:05:38 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:05:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229521862.29972.0.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
	<200812171304.43526.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229521862.29972.0.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <1229522738.30907.0.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:51 +0100, Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> I changed my mind after not being able to bluild static versions of
> MLT
> + FFmpeg. Kind regards, JMP

Sorry, I meant packages ... not logo.




From jb at kdenlive.org  Wed Dec 17 14:25:03 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:25:03 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812171525.03938.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Wednesday 17 December 2008 12.47:47 Alberto Villa wrote:
> a user on irc let me know that the ubuntu package we link (0.7 stable) does
> not contain any luma file...

Yes, that is normal. The Kdenlive lumas were not included in 0.7 package (but 
you stilll have the usual MLT lumas). I re-added them in current svn and they 
will be part of the 0.7.1 release.

regards
jb




From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 14:34:04 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812171525.03938.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<200812171525.03938.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <200812171534.04589.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 17 December 2008 15:25:03 jb wrote:
> Yes, that is normal. The Kdenlive lumas were not included in 0.7 package
> (but you stilll have the usual MLT lumas). I re-added them in current svn
> and they will be part of the 0.7.1 release.

that's the second part of the problem:
he has mlt lumas (*.pmg.png files, i don't know why, but they're valid png 
files and i've seen they're accepted in kdenlive), and he also tried to 
download kdenlive lumas to put them in the right directory, but he still has 
an empty list...
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 17:56:29 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:56:29 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229521995.29972.3.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171247.48080.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<1229521995.29972.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812171856.30259.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 17 December 2008 14:53:15 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 12:47 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
> > a user on irc let me know that the ubuntu package we link (0.7 stable)
> > does
> > not contain any luma file...
>
> Copy sent to the package maintainer.
> Kind regards, Jean-Michel

it's not that simple. the same user asked for another problem and sent me his 
.kdenlive files (just created): they miss a lot of parts of the 0.7 stable 
document format, and they have relative (?) paths in the westley producers
i've implemented hash saving on november 19, and it's missing here... and the 
feed of kde apps reporting the new package it's dated december 14...
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 17 18:20:56 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:20:56 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:14 AM, opensourcecat <opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
> On luned? 15 dicembre 2008 10:00:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
>> I don't see many distributions providing efforts to package Kdenlive
>> cleanly, with all latest MLT and ffmpeg codecs, appart for Marillat
>> Debian-multimedia and Gentoo exceptions.
>
> I had a couple of e-mails with Toni, the Kdenlive packager for packam project
> witch provides kdenlive to most opensuse distributions.
> He says that it can be done to add a kdenlive-unstable, mlt-unstable and
> mlt++-unstable packages and updates will only be a matter of free time of the
> packager. -unstable and released packages will be mutually exclusive.
>
> The only problem, which i didn't completely understand, is talking about mlt-
> unstable libraries which should be different from stable ones. Follows what he
> said:
> ***
> [...]
> And the kdenlive-unstable will Requires: mlt-unstable* and mlt++-unstable and
> is mutally eclusive to kdenlive. The only problem we should be aware: I would
> prefer that the so-names of the unstable mlt-packages are different to the
> released ones. Otherwise it would be harder to keep them mutually eclusive.
> ***

I understand his request for differing so-names on different mlt
packages. Currently, it does not do this, but I need to justify the
effort to making a change. What is the meaning of stable and unstable
here? Are they simply different releases or is it latest release vs.
unreleased trunk versions? Why is it necessary or desirable to have
two versions in the repo?

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From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 18:32:52 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:32:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812171932.52709.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 19:20:56 Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I understand his request for differing so-names on different mlt
> packages. Currently, it does not do this, but I need to justify the
> effort to making a change. What is the meaning of stable and unstable
> here? Are they simply different releases or is it latest release vs.
> unreleased trunk versions? Why is it necessary or desirable to have
> two versions in the repo?

Currently, mlt on packman is 0.3.2

-unstable will be a (kind of) weekly svn build which will come automatically 
(and removing the stable packages) when chosing to install the kdenlive-
unstable (also a kind of weekly svn snapshot).

If you think that mlt's svn can be stable enough (like FFmpeg, whom devs 
suggest to use svn IICRC) to build svn snapshot and call them stable let me 
know. 
I'm doing that with the hope to save you some time.
-- 
________________________
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http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 17 18:43:23 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:43:23 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
>
> * Does h264 and AVCHD use sliced decoding which I saw in SVN? Is h264

There are various flavors of AVCHD, and I expect to see differing
number of slices per frame, but this is not yet something I have
investigated even though I have samples from a few different cameras.

> decoding really multi-threaded?

Maybe. For me, by default, it always complains "Cannot parallelize
deblocking type 1," meaning no. However, if I supply the ffplay option
"-skiploop 48" then the complaint goes away. I am still doing testing
and investigation.

> When using ffplay, I see only one core
> working at 100%. How to activate multi-threading decoding.

configure with --enable-pthreads and run ffplay with the -threads
option followed by the number of worker threads to use. It will still
keep a decoder control thread and separate reader/output threads, all
of which are fairly light, so it is a good idea to use (#cores - 1)
for the worker threads.

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From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 17 18:48:58 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:48:58 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812171932.52709.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812171932.52709.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812171048i139f1868u24afbe68f1ca52aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:32 AM, opensourcecat <opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
> On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 19:20:56 Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> I understand his request for differing so-names on different mlt
>> packages. Currently, it does not do this, but I need to justify the
>> effort to making a change. What is the meaning of stable and unstable
>> here? Are they simply different releases or is it latest release vs.
>> unreleased trunk versions? Why is it necessary or desirable to have
>> two versions in the repo?
>
> Currently, mlt on packman is 0.3.2
>
> -unstable will be a (kind of) weekly svn build which will come automatically
> (and removing the stable packages) when chosing to install the kdenlive-
> unstable (also a kind of weekly svn snapshot).

Let me see what I can do in the build. I already plan a build change
for --avformat-svn to fetch a specific revision vs. head depending
upon mlt version's release vs. head. The logic for that could also
affect the so name.

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From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 19:01:05 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:01:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171048i139f1868u24afbe68f1ca52aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171932.52709.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812171048i139f1868u24afbe68f1ca52aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812172001.05901.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 19:48:58 Dan Dennedy wrote:
> Let me see what I can do in the build. I already plan a build change
> for --avformat-svn to fetch a specific revision vs. head depending
> upon mlt version's release vs. head. The logic for that could also
> affect the so name.

ok, thank you!


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________________________
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http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 19:05:27 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:05:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229540727.8372.1.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:20 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> I understand his request for differing so-names on different mlt
> packages. Currently, it does not do this, but I need to justify the
> effort to making a change. What is the meaning of stable and unstable
> here? Are they simply different releases or is it latest release vs.
> unreleased trunk versions? Why is it necessary or desirable to have
> two versions in the repo?

Kdenlive and MLT are not released often. There should be monthly
releases, even in case of small dev. If you release MLT every month,
then all packagers will follow the move.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 17 19:12:22 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:12:22 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:43 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> configure with --enable-pthreads and run ffplay with the -threads
> option followed by the number of worker threads to use. It will still
> keep a decoder control thread and separate reader/output threads, all
> of which are fairly light, so it is a good idea to use (#cores - 1)
> for the worker threads.

Ah ... this skiploop is not documented.

ffplay -skiploop 48 -threads 2 avchd-test-1.mts works very well. 

By the way, FFmpeg developers suggested that we do not decode B frames
during viewing. I don't know is this can apply to Kdenlive.

So Kdenlive is really AVCHD compliant. Good news. I am really pleased.
Thanks.

Jean-Michel




From radarsat1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 20:27:05 2008
From: radarsat1 at gmail.com (Stephen Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:27:05 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] patch to check filter validity
In-Reply-To: <200812170959.52905.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <9b3e2dc20812162041y64e29819pb135e376cc9438fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812170959.52905.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <9b3e2dc20812171227q7fd54631w32ff802db1d15690@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:59 AM, jb <jb at kdenlive.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 05.42:00 Stephen Sinclair wrote:
>> I found that sometimes kdenlive would crash on me and running under
>> gdb it seemed that it was because it was trying to set a property of a
>> filter where the "instance" member was zero.  I saw that the krender.c
>> code does not check whether filters are valid after it creates them,
>> so the attached patch seemed to help.
>
> First, thanks for the patch. However, you submitted a patch against an old
> version of Kdenlive which is not supported anymore (Kdenlive 0.5 or 0.6).
>
> Please consider upgrading to the latest version. I committed a fix against
> current svn that is based on your patch, so this should solve the problem for
> the upcoming 0.7.1 release.

Ah, sorry about that.  I was working on the "trunk" version, as is
usual in SVN.  But I see now that the website says to use the KDE4
branch.  I don't have KDE4 installed so I didn't bother, thinking the
trunk was okay.


cheers,
Steve



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 17 22:24:28 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:24:28 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812171424n655b3649hb5ac20687dae2ebe@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:43 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> configure with --enable-pthreads and run ffplay with the -threads
>> option followed by the number of worker threads to use. It will still
>> keep a decoder control thread and separate reader/output threads, all
>> of which are fairly light, so it is a good idea to use (#cores - 1)
>> for the worker threads.
>
> Ah ... this skiploop is not documented.

documented in the source :-). Actually, I knew of it because of 'ffplay -h'

> ffplay -skiploop 48 -threads 2 avchd-test-1.mts works very well.
>
> By the way, FFmpeg developers suggested that we do not decode B frames
> during viewing. I don't know is this can apply to Kdenlive.

Yeah, I'm not sure, but I will experiment with it. I might be okay to
skip B frames in preview (user might see repeated frames) and then
process them during render. With ffplay you can use "-skipframe 16" to
skip B frames.

> So Kdenlive is really AVCHD compliant. Good news. I am really pleased.

It still has seeking problems.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From dan at dennedy.org  Wed Dec 17 22:37:56 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:37:56 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229540727.8372.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229540727.8372.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:20 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> I understand his request for differing so-names on different mlt
>> packages. Currently, it does not do this, but I need to justify the
>> effort to making a change. What is the meaning of stable and unstable
>> here? Are they simply different releases or is it latest release vs.
>> unreleased trunk versions? Why is it necessary or desirable to have
>> two versions in the repo?
>
> Kdenlive and MLT are not released often. There should be monthly
> releases, even in case of small dev. If you release MLT every month,
> then all packagers will follow the move.

I don't have that much time to tend to the additional testing and
release duties. My release schedule for Kino and dvgrab has worked
well for the past several years. That is 2 - 3 times a year. I will
not change my mind unless I directly feel the results - the annoyance
factor. For instance, too many people complaining about the problems
fixed since the last release.

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From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 22:50:28 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:50:28 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian> <1229540727.8372.1.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812172350.29274.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 23:37:56 Dan Dennedy wrote:
>  For instance, too many people complaining about the problems
> fixed since the last release.

That can be avoided facilitating packagers to give -unstable versions of the 
packages so you can say to people that complain about a fixed bug that them 
can try -unstable packages
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http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From dan at dennedy.org  Thu Dec 18 04:55:48 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:55:48 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171424n655b3649hb5ac20687dae2ebe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171424n655b3649hb5ac20687dae2ebe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812172055g66fe26d1n329d72b2639ba888@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:43 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>>> configure with --enable-pthreads and run ffplay with the -threads
>>> option followed by the number of worker threads to use. It will still
>>> keep a decoder control thread and separate reader/output threads, all
>>> of which are fairly light, so it is a good idea to use (#cores - 1)
>>> for the worker threads.
>>
>> Ah ... this skiploop is not documented.
>
> documented in the source :-). Actually, I knew of it because of 'ffplay -h'
>
>> ffplay -skiploop 48 -threads 2 avchd-test-1.mts works very well.
>>
>> By the way, FFmpeg developers suggested that we do not decode B frames
>> during viewing. I don't know is this can apply to Kdenlive.
>
> Yeah, I'm not sure, but I will experiment with it. I might be okay to
> skip B frames in preview (user might see repeated frames) and then
> process them during render. With ffplay you can use "-skipframe 16" to
> skip B frames.

I learned that on my dual Athlon, these two options make it about
twice as fast! I also learned that despite this, it does not support
parallelized decoding even though (if I am not mistaken), it appears
most files I tested have 2 slices per frame (determined using "-debug
1"). Nevertheless, this are some cheap, simple options.

I added AVOption parsing to MLT producer_avformat in SVN. Please
update and try this out:

$ inigo some.mts skip_loop_filter=all skip_frame=bidir -consumer
westley:some-fast.westley

Next, load the some-fast.westley in kdenlive and try it out. This will
still use these options when rendering. To fix that, you could edit
the kdenlive project in a text editor and change all "-fast.westely"
to ".mts" and then render it.

Why skip_loop_filter and not skiploop? Because 'ffmpeg -h' shows that
and ffmpeg fully uses the API-based AVOptions whereas ffplay does not.

>> So Kdenlive is really AVCHD compliant. Good news. I am really pleased.
>
> It still has seeking problems.

I think the seeking is a little better with skip_frame=bidir

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From dan at dennedy.org  Thu Dec 18 07:39:53 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:39:53 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812172055g66fe26d1n329d72b2639ba888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171424n655b3649hb5ac20687dae2ebe@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812172055g66fe26d1n329d72b2639ba888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812172339m37c91ab7m6ae0057cdc9658c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:43 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>>>> configure with --enable-pthreads and run ffplay with the -threads
>>>> option followed by the number of worker threads to use. It will still
>>>> keep a decoder control thread and separate reader/output threads, all
>>>> of which are fairly light, so it is a good idea to use (#cores - 1)
>>>> for the worker threads.
>>>
>>> Ah ... this skiploop is not documented.
>>
>> documented in the source :-). Actually, I knew of it because of 'ffplay -h'
>>
>>> ffplay -skiploop 48 -threads 2 avchd-test-1.mts works very well.
>>>
>>> By the way, FFmpeg developers suggested that we do not decode B frames
>>> during viewing. I don't know is this can apply to Kdenlive.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm not sure, but I will experiment with it. I might be okay to
>> skip B frames in preview (user might see repeated frames) and then
>> process them during render. With ffplay you can use "-skipframe 16" to
>> skip B frames.
>
> I learned that on my dual Athlon, these two options make it about
> twice as fast! I also learned that despite this, it does not support
> parallelized decoding even though (if I am not mistaken), it appears
> most files I tested have 2 slices per frame (determined using "-debug
> 1"). Nevertheless, this are some cheap, simple options.

Hmm, I have a H.264 1080p trailer downloaded from Apple's trailers
site where multithreaded decoding does work with skiploop=48. I see it
has 8 slices per frame. Ah... now I see (using -debug 1) that the
AVCHD clip has 4 "packets," or whatever you want to call them (debug
lines), per frame, but the slice always =1 whereas in the trailer
slice = 1 to 8.

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From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 07:43:12 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:43:12 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812171214.58411.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812171020h8f219f5rb9a809af814e0a27@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229540727.8372.1.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229586192.8408.6.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:37 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> For instance, too many people complaining about the problems
> fixed since the last release.

The idea of unstable releases is good. We don't really need releases in
this situation, as we will only use SVN. Maybe mlt needs a special svn
tag, like libmlt.so.svn. We can suppose that .svn is always the latest
version.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 07:49:46 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:49:46 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <1229586192.8408.6.camel@debian>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229586192.8408.6.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812180849.46857.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On gioved? 18 dicembre 2008 08:43:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> The idea of unstable releases is good. We don't really need releases in
> this situation, as we will only use SVN. Maybe mlt needs a special svn
> tag, like libmlt.so.svn. We can suppose that .svn is always the latest
> version.

Sounds good. This is up to Dan at this point. If he can do it easily packagers 
will be facilitated in creating frequent -unstable packages
-- 
________________________
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http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From dan at dennedy.org  Thu Dec 18 08:02:46 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:02:46 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812180849.46857.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229586192.8408.6.camel@debian>
	<200812180849.46857.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812180002x4297a52csc8cc9ae8f9841473@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:49 PM, opensourcecat <opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
> On gioved? 18 dicembre 2008 08:43:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
>> The idea of unstable releases is good. We don't really need releases in
>> this situation, as we will only use SVN. Maybe mlt needs a special svn
>> tag, like libmlt.so.svn. We can suppose that .svn is always the latest
>> version.
>
> Sounds good. This is up to Dan at this point. If he can do it easily packagers
> will be facilitated in creating frequent -unstable packages

I looked into this, and it will be easy to do. Right now, soversion=1
in configure, right next to where I set version=0.3.3. After 0.3.4 is
release, I will set soversion=1head. This will let it still keep a
version check on unstable, i.e. 1head != 2head. This will create in
lib/ :

libmlt.so.0.3.4
libmlt.so.1head -> libmlt.so.0.3.4
libmlt.so -> libmlt.so.0.3.4

whereas the stable version will have:

libmlt.so.1 -> libmlt.so.0.3.4

I want to do this after the next release because it is soon, and I
don't want to change the soversion on everyone who is tracking HEAD at
the moment during final testing. Cool?

-- 
+-DRD-+



From dan at dennedy.org  Thu Dec 18 08:06:10 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:06:10 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812180002x4297a52csc8cc9ae8f9841473@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171437m63779422p4fb9b6d40b243312@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229586192.8408.6.camel@debian>
	<200812180849.46857.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812180002x4297a52csc8cc9ae8f9841473@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812180006s465f774aubbc802fac4469da7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Dan Dennedy <dan at dennedy.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:49 PM, opensourcecat <opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On gioved? 18 dicembre 2008 08:43:12 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
>>> The idea of unstable releases is good. We don't really need releases in
>>> this situation, as we will only use SVN. Maybe mlt needs a special svn
>>> tag, like libmlt.so.svn. We can suppose that .svn is always the latest
>>> version.
>>
>> Sounds good. This is up to Dan at this point. If he can do it easily packagers
>> will be facilitated in creating frequent -unstable packages
>
> I looked into this, and it will be easy to do. Right now, soversion=1
> in configure, right next to where I set version=0.3.3. After 0.3.4 is
> release, I will set soversion=1head. This will let it still keep a
> version check on unstable, i.e. 1head != 2head. This will create in
> lib/ :
>
> libmlt.so.0.3.4
> libmlt.so.1head -> libmlt.so.0.3.4
> libmlt.so -> libmlt.so.0.3.4

Sorry, my mistake. After the 0.3.4 release, stable will be:

libmlt.so.0.3.4
libmlt.so.1 -> libmlt.so.0.3.4
libmlt.so -> libmlt.so.0.3.4

and unstable will add:

libmlt.so.0.3.5
libmlt.so.1head -> libmlt.so.0.3.5
libmlt.so -> libmlt.so.0.3.5

-- 
+-DRD-+



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 08:26:56 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:26:56 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812180002x4297a52csc8cc9ae8f9841473@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812180849.46857.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812180002x4297a52csc8cc9ae8f9841473@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812180926.56853.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On gioved? 18 dicembre 2008 09:02:46 Dan Dennedy wrote:
>  want to do this after the next release because it is soon, and I
> don't want to change the soversion on everyone who is tracking HEAD at
> the moment during final testing. Cool?
Great. I'll warn Toni about that. 

Other packagers will be pleased too!
-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 08:43:27 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:43:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive packaging policies
In-Reply-To: <200812180926.56853.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229331612.12172.9.camel@debian>
	<200812180849.46857.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812180002x4297a52csc8cc9ae8f9841473@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812180926.56853.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229589807.19482.5.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 09:26 +0100, opensourcecat wrote:
> >  want to do this after the next release because it is soon, and I
> > don't want to change the soversion on everyone who is tracking HEAD
> at
> > the moment during final testing. Cool?
> Great. I'll warn Toni about that. 
Perfect.




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 08:52:13 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:52:13 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812172055g66fe26d1n329d72b2639ba888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171424n655b3649hb5ac20687dae2ebe@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812172055g66fe26d1n329d72b2639ba888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229590333.20490.4.camel@debian>

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 20:55 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> $ inigo some.mts skip_loop_filter=all skip_frame=bidir -consumer
> westley:some-fast.westley

This works great. My dual-core processor jumped to 80% activity. The
view was good enough to view the clip monitor interactively. We don't
need B frames during editing.

No problem about it, you are a real programming master.

What is the impact of seeking problems on MLT and Kdenlive. Are there
limitations in video editing?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 08:55:51 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:55:51 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Ubuntu packages disapeared
Message-ID: <1229590551.20490.8.camel@debian>

Hi friends,

Our Ubuntu packages dissapeared:
https://launchpad.net/~tpikalek/+archive

I tried to contact the package maintainer, but whitout any answer.
Without answer in the next days, I plan to take over maintenance of
Ubuntu packages. 

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From marcozambi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 10:33:29 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:29 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
Message-ID: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>

Hi!
Are you aware of any clear tutorial on how to compile mlt with frei0r 
module?
Thanks!

-- 
Marco Zambianchi
http://www.forumastronautico.it - Creator & Admin 
http://astronauticast.forumastronautico.it - AstronautiCAST Producer
Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Lecco * Fellow




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 10:38:38 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:38:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
References: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229596718.25684.0.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 11:33 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> Are you aware of any clear tutorial on how to compile mlt with frei0r 
> module?





From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 10:40:13 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:40:13 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
References: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229596813.25684.3.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 11:33 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> Hi!
> Are you aware of any clear tutorial on how to compile mlt with frei0r 
> module?
> Thanks!

Read:
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/installing-source

MLT will detect your FreiOr installation automatically.

If you need more information, ask on the list.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Thu Dec 18 10:53:40 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:53:40 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <1229596813.25684.3.camel@debian>
References: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com> <1229596813.25684.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812181153.41351.mads@dydensborg.dk>

torsdag 18 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 11:33 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Are you aware of any clear tutorial on how to compile mlt with frei0r 
> > module?
> > Thanks!
> 
> Read:
> 
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/installing-source
> 
> MLT will detect your FreiOr installation automatically.

This is only true for Frei0r installs into /usr, I think. Perhaps 
also /usr/local.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  
               - Ben Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759




From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:03:38 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:03:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <200812181153.41351.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com> <1229596813.25684.3.camel@debian>
	<200812181153.41351.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812181203.38817.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Thursday 18 December 2008 11:53:40 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > MLT will detect your FreiOr installation automatically.
>
> This is only true for Frei0r installs into /usr, I think. Perhaps
> also /usr/local.

it looks for <frei0r.h>, so it depends on CFLAGS
if you have frei0r.h in /usr/local/whateverelse/include, just do:
CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -I/usr/local/whateverelse/include" ./configure
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Thu Dec 18 11:34:45 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:34:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <200812181203.38817.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
	<200812181153.41351.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<200812181203.38817.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812181234.46048.mads@dydensborg.dk>

torsdag 18 December 2008 skrev Alberto Villa:
> On Thursday 18 December 2008 11:53:40 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > > MLT will detect your FreiOr installation automatically.
> >
> > This is only true for Frei0r installs into /usr, I think. Perhaps
> > also /usr/local.
> 
> it looks for <frei0r.h>, so it depends on CFLAGS
> if you have frei0r.h in /usr/local/whateverelse/include, just do:
> CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -I/usr/local/whateverelse/include" ./configure

But... you then need to pass this to MLT to actually make MLT use that 
particular install:

export MLT_FREI0R_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/local/whateverelse/lib/frei0r-1/

So, its a little bit more tricky than just that. :-)

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to
the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers
to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of patent
protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich
nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits
the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to
impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development.
But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the past.
                           - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 13:11:25 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:11:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
References: <494A26F9.4060602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229605885.31865.2.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 11:33 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> Are you aware of any clear tutorial on how to compile mlt with frei0r 
> module?

What is your distro?




From ciampix at libero.it  Thu Dec 18 11:53:17 2008
From: ciampix at libero.it (Marco Ciampa)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:53:17 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] kdenlive manual
Message-ID: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>

Hello, 
I'm one of the italian translators of the kdenlive manual

http://it.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kdenlive

I've noted that the manual was moved from wikibooks to the kdenlive site. I
think that it is not a great idea. IMHO wikibooks was and is the best place
for such an effort.

The kde site points to the new manual that is, at present, almost void.
There no reference to the old (and still valid) manual, nor any traslated
manual.

I think that these changes must be planned:

 * discussing these changes here in list...
 * inserting links to the new manual _after_ there is something to show
 * mantaining links to the old copy with a warning like "this manual is
   obsolete o unsupported anymore" first
 * inserting links to the new manual with a warning like "under
   construction" or "still incomplete" or something else...
 * inserting links to the other languages old manual first
 * inserting links to the other languages new manual ...

I still want to contribute. Tell me how and why.

Thanks,

-- 

Marco Ciampa

+--------------------+
| Linux User  #78271 |
| FSFE fellow   #364 |
+--------------------+



From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 15:31:37 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:31:37 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] kdenlive manual
In-Reply-To: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>
References: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>
Message-ID: <1229614297.4169.18.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:53 +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote:
> I still want to contribute. Tell me how and why.
> 

Dear Marco,

You are welcome to contribute our documentation. We need help.

Kdenlive moved to Drupal and I worked hard on several issues, before
getting back to manual.

To contribute, read:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-write-kdenlive-manual

First, you should fist register on Kdenlive web site. 
Then I will add documentation writer role to your username. 
This will allow you any page on the website.

The reason why we chose Drupal is that it has a translation server which
can be used to translate website, documentation and kdenlive POT. 

I know this is quite unusual to have a translation server, but this
deserved to try and quit Wikibooks.

The documentation text is open-source, so you can copy it back to
Wikibooks. But we are leaving Wikibooks so I don't encourage you to keep
this wiki updated. The only official source for documentation is our
Drupal system.

Register on Kdenlive.org, send me your username and I add you to the
documentation writer group.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 15:38:33 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:38:33 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] kdenlive manual
In-Reply-To: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>
References: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>
Message-ID: <1229614713.4169.21.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:53 +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote:
> 
>  * discussing these changes here in list...
>  * inserting links to the new manual _after_ there is something to
> show
>  * mantaining links to the old copy with a warning like "this manual
> is
>    obsolete o unsupported anymore" first
>  * inserting links to the new manual with a warning like "under
>    construction" or "still incomplete" or something else...
>  * inserting links to the other languages old manual first
>  * inserting links to the other languages new manual ...

A simple solution would be to migrate the old wiki to the Drupal book.
Then remove the old links completely. I will handle that tonight. Then
we can use the mailing list to discuss how to write the new manual.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Thu Dec 18 16:57:25 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:57:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Welcome to another updater
Message-ID: <200812181757.25900.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

Just wanted to thank Alberto Villa/xzhayon for agreeing to become a mantis 
updater.

He joins the ranks of doitux, cinephiliac and me! A small but growing team. 
(Obviously, all developers can also update issues, but the four of us are 
normally "only" updaters).

Given the upcoming release and the large number of changes over the last few 
weeks, we can use all the help we can get.

Alberto has also contributed a number of patches related to freebsd support, 
the hashing/locate clip functionality and the support for opening pfv 0.5 
documents (some of these has been applied to svn by yours truly, but created 
by Alberto), and is already under way with some more bug triaging :-)

Welcome on-board. :-)

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Virtually every major technological advance in the history of the human
species-- back to the invention of stone tools and the domestication of
fire-- has been ethically ambiguous.
                           - Carl Sagan (The Demon-Haunted World)



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 18:50:11 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:50:11 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian> <1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812181950.11268.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

dan (and jb?), i need a little more help from you
i've written the ports for mlt and freebsd. since i must provide some options 
(without breaking kdenlive) i have to know more about:
- ladspa
- jackrack
- dv
- sdl

ladspa
does mlt require this (except from the jackrack module)? i'd put this in with 
swhplugins in the kdenlive port if possible

jackrack
i've set ladspa.h as needed at buildtime, but is ladspa ('listplugins' for 
example) needed at runtime?

dv
can i build kdenlive without this? i don't mind if it can only read jpg then, 
i have to know if i can build and run kdenlive without it

sdl
if i have direct rendering on in xorg, is this ABSOLUTELY needed?

in other words: can i build and run kdenlive if mlt has everything disabled 
except from:
avformat
swscale ( ^ both ffmpeg, i know)
qimage
westley
? is any of these four options non ABSOLUTELY required?

i know that this would result in poor mlt and kdenlive. be sure, options are 
all turned on by default (and automatic packages will be built with them on), 
but ports work this way, and i must provide options...

and for my curiosity: what's the gtk module good for?

oh, another question: what name should i use for mlt svn ports?
is 0.3.3.20081218 good, for example? is 0.3.2.20081218 better (kdenlive will 
be 0.7.0.20081218)? would you like anything else?
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 18:56:41 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:56:41 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Welcome to another updater
In-Reply-To: <200812181757.25900.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812181757.25900.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812181956.41540.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Thursday 18 December 2008 17:57:25 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> Just wanted to thank Alberto Villa/xzhayon for agreeing to become a mantis
> updater.
> 
> [...]
>
> Welcome on-board. :-)

thanks mads, it's great to join this group!
hope i'll do well :)
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 19:49:00 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:49:00 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Access rules to the books and user manual
Message-ID: <1229629740.18628.5.camel@debian>

Dear friends,

Some simplification:

* Any registered user on Kdenlive web site can now modify any page of
Kdenlive User Manual. But not delete pages. The user manual works like a
wiki. 

I will try to tune access settings and maybe design a simplified page in
the next days. Also we need to change the CSS to display code and
comments in a nice manner.

* Member with documentation writer priviledge are granted full
read/write/delete rights on book pages.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 18 20:50:35 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:50:35 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Access rules to the books and user manual
In-Reply-To: <1229629740.18628.5.camel@debian>
References: <1229629740.18628.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <1229633436.19303.2.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 20:49 +0100, Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> Some simplification:

I forgot this new forum:
http://kdenlive.org/forum/developers-forums/writing-documentation

which should be used for discussions about the documentation, 
to avoid filing the list.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From marcozambi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 21:46:16 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
Message-ID: <c8c72b140812181346yf7f1d8ifc251da178a8956f@mail.gmail.com>

I use Ubuntu 8.10 in wich repositories frei0r is not included.
I downloaded manually the targz archive from their site, but I do not
know how install correctly for MLT integration.
I googled a lot looking for clear and straightforward instruction, but
no results.
I think that given the number of effects that become available adding
frei0r into the building chain of Kdenlive, it could be a good idea if
some of the top developers could write down few lines to instruct us
in how to integrate frei0r in our svn compiling packages.
:)

And I am available for italian translation too. ;)

-- 
Marco Zambianchi
ForumAstronautico.it - Admin * ISAA Association - Founder
AstronautiCAST - Host * Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Fellow



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 03:03:37 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Welcome to another updater
In-Reply-To: <200812181757.25900.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812181757.25900.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812182203.37776.bugsbane@gmail.com>

Welcome Alberto!

Nice to have you with us! Can open source domination of video editing be far 
behind? ;o)



From lists at sandipb.net  Fri Dec 19 04:19:49 2008
From: lists at sandipb.net (Sandip Bhattacharya)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:49:49 +0530
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Videos as the best documentation
Message-ID: <gif7d6$jcf$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jean,
I just wanted to let you know how great an idea is it to have video
tutorials for kdenlive of blip.tv.

In fact, I believe having a documentation manual with video clips
wherever it makes sense would probably be the biggest differentiator of
kdenlive as compared any other UI intensive FOSS app. It would be good
if the manual has small video thumbnails pointing to the video in
question whenever a video is avilable for the topic. Does drupal have
any support for video references yet?

I am a newcomer to kdenlive and still struggling with concepts. If a
suggestion could be taken, I would encourage you to make videos for the
questions that you have in your FAQ. I think the basic questions for any
 new comer to Kdenlive would be the components needed to create the
minimum video:
* Multiple clip sources
* Trimming of clips and putting on time line
* Transitions
* Title screens and title transitions(alpha,tint, etc)

Thanks,
  Sandip




From bugsbane at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 04:47:22 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Thanks for the support Mads, and thanks for caring enough to argue your case JMP (the new template looks great, btw). I think honestly what's missing here is actual team discussion / system. I'm not even just talking about if it should be one specific logo or not, so much as having some kind of feedback system so that effort on Kdenlive isn't wasted.

I'll illustrate my point.

The earliest version of the double arrow icon was posted months and months ago asking for feedback. Multiple versions were posted over time, and later even a different thread, once again asking for feedback. Feedback was asked for on IRC. Emails asking for feedback had been sent to both individuals (though in fairness this doesn't include JMP), and to the whole of Kdenlive-Devel.

Any feedback that was received was either positive, or when changes were asked for, they were made (thanks JB for the early suggestions). The clapper board was in all of these revisions almost right from the start.

The only resistance to the clapper board came after months of work and final delivery of the finished image. It came as an absolute rejection without any visible discussion with key contributors such as JB and Dan before eventually being emailed later to the -devel list.

Now here's the good news. As far as I can see, we're all passionate about the same things (film and open source) and want the same things (success for Kdenlive as a project).

The question is, what is the best process that encourages people to commit their time and energy to the project we all want to see succeed? If the new logo isn't used, I think we'd all agree that all the time working on it and trying to get feedback have been wasted. That hurts. What could save that kind of contributed energy from being wasted (and encourage more contribution)? Just saying telling someone "Start again." in a system that has already wasted large amounts of their time does not encourage anyone to contribute, especially when it comes from only one person rather than from a openly discussed team agreement.

Can you imagine if we allowed individuals to delete sections of the SVN code at will, in a way that it was final and couldn't be changed even with backups? What if they didn't need any team discussion to do this? Who would contribute anything under those circumstances? Who would spend *more* time to create their contribution - again - after it was thrown out the first time?

As far as is visible, this is how the decision to throw out the icon and logo happened. By the time the list had been emailed, the decision had been made and stated to me as fact. Whether or not everyone thinks the new logo should be used is less the issue than whether Kdenlive encourages valuable contribution based on discussion from everyone. That's not for me to say, but for everyone who cares about the project to create - the best it can be done- today and every day.



Peace.



From bugsbane at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 04:54:39 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:54:39 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Footage page
In-Reply-To: <200812171146.00541.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <1229505445.3669.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171146.00541.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812182354.39310.bugsbane@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 17 December 2008 05:46:00 Salvatore Brigaglia wrote:
> On mercoled? 17 dicembre 2008 10:17:25 Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> > I added a footage page on Kdenlive web site:
> > http://www.kdenlive.org/developer-manual/footage
> Do you intend to create a re-usable clip repository to share clips everyone 
> can use on their videos (like backgrounds, panoramas and such) or a repository 
> for test-clips?

A reusable repository would be amazing, although I don't know what our bandwidth limits are. Inkscape actually has an "Import from openclipart.org" option in the file menu where you can just enter a keyword and see thumbnails come up. If you click on one and click insert it instant;y appears on the page (*ahem* timeline?). Possibly even some hosting site that allows downloads (such as Blip.tv) could take care of bandwidth.

This would be a stunning addition, unlike anything I've seen. I suspect though that without some web services savvy person overseeing this that it would divert important resources away from Kdenlive's core mission of providing a powerful, easy to use editing suite with stable core features.

Great idea though!



From amir_in at netvision.net.il  Fri Dec 19 06:07:38 2008
From: amir_in at netvision.net.il (amir sher)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:07:38 +0200
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] updated Hebrew translation
Message-ID: <494B3A2A.4030602@netvision.net.il>

hello,
I got the Hebrew translation reviewed, I've attached the updated 
version. can someone with SVN access updated it to trunk.
thank you,
Amir
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From bugsbane at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 07:03:48 2008
From: bugsbane at gmail.com (Cinephiliac)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:03:48 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] A previous link / article still to be added to the
	press section
Message-ID: <200812190203.48174.bugsbane@gmail.com>

The largest piece the Dot has run on us, so far:

http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-10-12/



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 07:45:17 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:45:17 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] MLT + frei0r
In-Reply-To: <c8c72b140812181346yf7f1d8ifc251da178a8956f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8c72b140812181346yf7f1d8ifc251da178a8956f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229672717.7447.1.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 22:46 +0100, Marco Zambianchi wrote:
> I use Ubuntu 8.10 in wich repositories frei0r is not included.
> I downloaded manually the targz archive from their site, but I do not
> know how install correctly for MLT integration.

Try these packages, which provide FFmpeg, FreiOr, MLT and Kdenlive 0.7:
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 07:51:21 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:51:21 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Videos as the best documentation
In-Reply-To: <gif7d6$jcf$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gif7d6$jcf$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1229673081.7447.8.camel@debian>

> kdenlive as compared any other UI intensive FOSS app. It would be good
> if the manual has small video thumbnails pointing to the video in
> question whenever a video is avilable for the topic. Does drupal have
> any support for video references yet?

Thank you for your remarks. Video clips can be part of books and thus
added to documentation. There is no limit using Drupal to make this
website very rich ...

> * Multiple clip sources
> * Trimming of clips and putting on time line
> * Transitions
> * Title screens and title transitions(alpha,tint, etc)

Submitting video tutorials is free to anyone. 

In the Contribution manual:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual

Read the video tutorial:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-make-video-tutorial

Do not hesitate to submit a tutorial. It will be publised ASAP in the
tutorial zone. We are looking for any kind of short or long tutorial.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 08:06:33 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:06:33 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171123.26096.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229509949.12635.5.camel@debian>
	<200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>

> The question is, what is the best process that encourages people to
> commit their time and energy to the project we all want to see
> succeed?

Kdenlive has plenty of valuable projects for non-programming folks:
* Write good and accurate documentation,
* Screencast short 10s to 2min tutorials,
* Screencast longer tutorials involving several tools, to describe a
whole project,
* Advocate Kdenlive on dedicated film websites, register these
communities in web links and query Google reports,
* Manage bug reports, propose new features,
* Look for packagers and try to find reliable people,
* Find a MacOsX port manager (on MacPorts),
* Enhance the features of our website using Drupal modules and/or
programming (I have a long list of Todos for interested people),
* When this all this is done, translate our website in 30 languages.
* Support new users asking questions on Forums. For example, after
answering someone, you can add information to the documentation
immediately.

You are free to choose some interesting project and participate in
Kdenlive development. 

Now, don't stick on this logo issue. 
In software, two things are not allowed: 

1) Use the name of a registered trademark. For example, decide to rename
Kdenlive into Sony XXXX for GNU/Linux.
2) Use the logo of a registered trademark. For example, use the logo of
Final Cut Pro.

Now you are free to submit any new logo. At first, try to gather all
logs from major products. So you don't choose one of these by error.
This leaves a whole space of creativity.

By the way, when I reviewed your logo, I searched on Google for FCP
logo. This was my first move. Probably the discussion did not start on
this issue because noone looked for existing logos of registered
products. We are all sorry for this whaste of time. But there is plenty
of space left for contributions.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 08:08:29 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:08:29 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] updated Hebrew translation
In-Reply-To: <494B3A2A.4030602@netvision.net.il>
References: <494B3A2A.4030602@netvision.net.il>
Message-ID: <1229674109.7447.24.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 08:07 +0200, amir sher wrote:
> hello,
> I got the Hebrew translation reviewed, I've attached the updated 
> version. can someone with SVN access updated it to trunk.
> thank you,
> Amir
> 

Thanks a lot!

We would appreciate that you register on SourceForge, upload your SSH
key, so that you are granted access to our SVN.

By the way, does Kdenlive behave nicely in RTL languages?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 08:12:05 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:12:05 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] A previous link / article still to be added	to
	the press section
In-Reply-To: <200812190203.48174.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <200812190203.48174.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229674325.7447.28.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 02:03 -0500, Cinephiliac wrote:
> The largest piece the Dot has run on us, so far:
> 
> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-10-12/
> 

Cool!

If you have documentation writer role, you can add it to our press
release zone: http://www.kdenlive.org/press

Click on Create Content->Press Review and follow the guidelines.
Enter the date of publication and other information.

This is quite important to hunt these releases, as it gives higher G****
ratings and may convince people to visit our web site.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Fri Dec 19 09:27:16 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:27:16 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 19 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> > The question is, what is the best process that encourages people to
> > commit their time and energy to the project we all want to see
> > succeed?
> 
> Kdenlive has plenty of valuable projects for non-programming folks:
[list of stuff to do deleted]

Dear Jean-Michel

I think you miss the point Cinephiliac is trying to make, a discussion about 
process; its a huge *disencouragement* to have participated in a process in 
the forums, that involve a key project lead (JB) and takes place over several 
months, just to have it shot down in a single email.

The discussion started here:
http://kdenlive.org/forum/kdenlive-kde4-logo-draft
and at some point continued here:
http://kdenlive.org/forum/kdenlive-kde4-logo-draft2

At least twice Cinephiliac announced the effort on this list, at the 4th of 
November and the 23th of November. On the 4th of November, jb on this list 
wrote that he agreed on the new logo & icon for 0.7.

I recall once that I tried to contribute a tutorial for another project. I 
asked if I should do a tutorial, was confirmed, then spent a number of days 
writing something I though was pretty useful. After submitting it, I did not 
get any response at all, but one of the devs wrote another tutorial instead. 
I never submitted anything for that project again - couldn't see the point 
really. I was partly at fault, because I should have tried to solicit 
feedback during my writing, but the devs should have explained to me what 
they thought was wrong, such that my effort could have been guided, and my 
continued involvement ensured. They failed to do that, IMHO.

In the process around the new icon Cinephiliac *did* solicit feedback. He 
*did* get it from at least one key member (and a number of others). I can 
only imagine his frustration at getting stopped at the "goalline", so to 
speak.

Please note that this is not about the validity of your arguments about the 
icon. Its about making sure that we ensure the continued involvment of 
contributors, and ensure that key members (such as you) provide guidance, 
instead of (perceived) rejection.

Now, I know that Cinephiliac is a proud Australian, and I am sure that he will 
just grab a Foster (or whatever passes for beer an Australia/Canada these 
days), and continue his efforts with Kdenlive! But IMHO any serious open 
source project should always try to guide and support their contributors, and 
make sure that contributors feel their efforts are worthwhile. And I think we 
should keep that in mind, even if it means that we sometimes may have to 
accept an outcome that we (as individuals) do not totally agree with.

Regards

Mads 

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want
to adopt a rational attitude.
                                - Karl Popper




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 09:44:50 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:44:50 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>
	<200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229679890.16488.10.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 10:27 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> Now, I know that Cinephiliac is a proud Australian, and I am sure that
> he will 
> just grab a Foster (or whatever passes for beer an Australia/Canada
> these 
> days), and continue his efforts with Kdenlive! But IMHO any serious
> open 
> source project should always try to guide and support their
> contributors, and 
> make sure that contributors feel their efforts are worthwhile. And I
> think we 
> should keep that in mind, even if it means that we sometimes may have
> to 
> accept an outcome that we (as individuals) do not totally agree with.

Dear Mads,

The registered logo issue is a legal issue. 
The discussions are not at stake.

There are plenty of things to do,
except taking FCP logo and modifying it.

Cinephilac is free to submit ANY logo,
except Casablanca, adobe, avid, pinnacle, and so logos,
therefore I don't understand these complains.

@cinephiliac: what is your username on kdenlive website, so I can add
you to the documentation writer role. Also, add yourself on the map. We
welcome any of your contributions.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 09:47:25 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:47:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>
	<1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>
	<200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229680045.16488.14.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 10:27 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> 
> Please note that this is not about the validity of your arguments
> about the 
> icon. Its about making sure that we ensure the continued involvment
> of 
> contributors, and ensure that key members (such as you) provide
> guidance, 
> instead of (perceived) rejection.

Guidance is written here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual

For example, as you discussed bug report rules,
it would be nice when time permits to add
bug report rules.

Maybe on this page:
http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports

Kdenlive is really looking for help and anyone with documentation writer
role is able to modify/enrich these pages. So if some doers would like
to apply for the role, they are welcome.

Mads and I are quite busy on the website and we need more help and less
complain.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jb at kdenlive.org  Fri Dec 19 10:28:41 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:28:41 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Footage page
In-Reply-To: <200812182354.39310.bugsbane@gmail.com>
References: <1229505445.3669.1.camel@debian>
	<200812171146.00541.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<200812182354.39310.bugsbane@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812191128.41885.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Friday 19 December 2008 05:54:39 Cinephiliac wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 05:46:00 Salvatore Brigaglia wrote:
> A reusable repository would be amazing, although I don't know what our
> bandwidth limits are. Inkscape actually has an "Import from

Our bandwith is supposed to be unlimited (according to the provider).
I have re-added a way to install new "Luma images" for transitions from the 
web using the KDE "Get hot new stuff.." library [1], which is designed to get 
updates or new data for an application from the web.

In the future, I would really like to extend this as much as possible, so that 
users could effectively download reusable video clips, Kdenlive plugins and any 
other useful content that can be contributed by users in a single click.


Regards
jb

[1] see:
http://ghns.freedesktop.org/ and
http://newstuff.kde.org/



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 11:35:55 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:35:55 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Live CDs with Kdenlive 0.7
Message-ID: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

Are your aware of GNU/Linux live CDs offering Kdenlive 0.7 by default.
This is for advocating Win32 users and help them migrate to a Free
environment.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From adderd at kkmfg.com  Fri Dec 19 12:35:43 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin Kidder)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <1229679890.16488.10.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>	<200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>	<1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>	<200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229679890.16488.10.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <494B951F.4040508@kkmfg.com>

Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> Dear Mads,
>
> The registered logo issue is a legal issue. 
> The discussions are not at stake.
>
> There are plenty of things to do,
> except taking FCP logo and modifying it.
>
> Cinephilac is free to submit ANY logo,
> except Casablanca, adobe, avid, pinnacle, and so logos,
> therefore I don't understand these complains.
>
> @cinephiliac: what is your username on kdenlive website, so I can add
> you to the documentation writer role. Also, add yourself on the map. We
> welcome any of your contributions.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
>   
It seems to me that you STILL don't get it. Cinephiliac submitted 
multiple requests for feedback and had his work out in the open for some 
time. Apparently no one thought to mention that the graphic was too 
close to FCP until the very end. This is quite unfortunate. Also, you 
are maybe making too big a deal out of the similarity. The clapperboard 
graphic is pretty ubiquitous and it only makes sense for it to appear in 
variations within the logo for video editing apps. This seems to be an 
honest mistake and not deliberate copying as you seem to be insinuating.

The bottom line is that this situation was unfortunate but seemed to 
have been avoidable. And sending potential contributors into a buzzsaw 
isn't a good way to get more people to help.



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 12:42:02 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:42:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Logo - was: Re:  Website changes
In-Reply-To: <494B951F.4040508@kkmfg.com>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812182347.22325.bugsbane@gmail.com>	<1229673993.7447.22.camel@debian>
	<200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229679890.16488.10.camel@debian> <494B951F.4040508@kkmfg.com>
Message-ID: <1229690522.24840.0.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 07:35 -0500, Collin Kidder wrote:
> Apparently no one thought to mention that the graphic was too 
> close to FCP until the very end. This is quite unfortunate.

Of course it was unfortunate.




From ciampix at libero.it  Fri Dec 19 13:00:33 2008
From: ciampix at libero.it (Marco Ciampa)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:00:33 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] kdenlive manual
In-Reply-To: <1229614297.4169.18.camel@debian>
References: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>
	<1229614297.4169.18.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <20081219130033.GA3222@ciampix.net>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:31:37PM +0100, Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:53 +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote:
> > I still want to contribute. Tell me how and why.
> > 
> 
> Dear Marco,
> 
> You are welcome to contribute our documentation. We need help.
Thank you

> Kdenlive moved to Drupal and I worked hard on several issues, before
> getting back to manual.
I understand

> To contribute, read:
> http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-write-kdenlive-manual
ok done

> First, you should fist register on Kdenlive web site. 
> Then I will add documentation writer role to your username. 
> This will allow you any page on the website.
ok username=ciampix
 
> The reason why we chose Drupal is that it has a translation server which
> can be used to translate website, documentation and kdenlive POT. 
this is really interesting. Is it a standard drupal module?

> I know this is quite unusual to have a translation server, but this
> deserved to try and quit Wikibooks.
ok it deserve a try...

> The documentation text is open-source, so you can copy it back to
> Wikibooks. But we are leaving Wikibooks so I don't encourage you to keep
> this wiki updated. The only official source for documentation is our
> Drupal system.
ok
 
> Register on Kdenlive.org, send me your username and I add you to the
> documentation writer group.
done

> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
bye and thanks 

-- 

Marco Ciampa

+--------------------+
| Linux User  #78271 |
| FSFE fellow   #364 |
+--------------------+



From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 13:35:14 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:35:14 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] kdenlive manual
In-Reply-To: <20081219130033.GA3222@ciampix.net>
References: <20081218115317.GA5671@ciampix.net>
	<1229614297.4169.18.camel@debian> <20081219130033.GA3222@ciampix.net>
Message-ID: <1229693714.26843.1.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 14:00 +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote:
> ok username=ciampix
Added.

> > The reason why we chose Drupal is that it has a translation server
> which
> > can be used to translate website, documentation and kdenlive POT. 
> this is really interesting. Is it a standard drupal module?
i10n server. Kdenlive pot will need to be loaded by hand writing a
custom PHP script, but it should be a two days work.

Do not forget the Google map. I love to see people registering this map.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From subwolf at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 15:33:41 2008
From: subwolf at gmail.com (subwolf at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:33:41 -0800 (PST)
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From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec 19 20:09:30 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:09:30 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Mlt-devel]  Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <200812181950.11268.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian> <1229410086.5614.1.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812161140y71e785adk20d7416eebc5ae65@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812181950.11268.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812191209y7fc8ab26if54de40243b5094f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com> wrote:
> dan (and jb?), i need a little more help from you
> i've written the ports for mlt and freebsd. since i must provide some options
> (without breaking kdenlive) i have to know more about:
> - ladspa
> - jackrack
> - dv
> - sdl
>
> ladspa
> does mlt require this (except from the jackrack module)? i'd put this in with
> swhplugins in the kdenlive port if possible

Optional, but exposes more audio filter options in kdenlive.

> jackrack
> i've set ladspa.h as needed at buildtime, but is ladspa ('listplugins' for
> example) needed at runtime?

Optional, and not used in kdenlive AFAIK.

> dv
> can i build kdenlive without this? i don't mind if it can only read jpg then,
> i have to know if i can build and run kdenlive without it

Entirely optional and mostly unnecessary if the avformat module is
available, but if you plan not to include avformat for reasons of
codec patent licensing, then I recommend to keep this module along
with the kino module so you can at least edit DV.

> sdl
> if i have direct rendering on in xorg, is this ABSOLUTELY needed?

This is absolutely required by kdenlive. Without it, I bet kdenlive will crash.

> in other words: can i build and run kdenlive if mlt has everything disabled
> except from:
> avformat
> swscale ( ^ both ffmpeg, i know)
> qimage
> westley
> ? is any of these four options non ABSOLUTELY required?

I think qimage is not required, but something in kdenlive may fail if
gtk2 is then not available. One of the 2 is required to load images.
There is a 3rd image loader (sdl_image), but I think it might be
unreliable and certainly less tested.

> i know that this would result in poor mlt and kdenlive. be sure, options are
> all turned on by default (and automatic packages will be built with them on),
> but ports work this way, and i must provide options...
>
> and for my curiosity: what's the gtk module good for?

It provides image loading (via gdk-pixbuf), which typically supports
more formats than qimage including TGA sequences, which is a popular
alternative to PNG because they too support alpha channels. It also
contains a titler using Pango, that kdenlive does not use. Finally, it
contains a YUV image scaler that works quite good and fast. Without
it, MLT has a fallback scaler this is pretty crappy, but works. Note
to self: make a ffmpeg/libswscale-based filter for scaling for systems
that do not want to add a gtk2 dependency.

> oh, another question: what name should i use for mlt svn ports?
> is 0.3.3.20081218 good, for example? is 0.3.2.20081218 better (kdenlive will
> be 0.7.0.20081218)? would you like anything else?

I prefer 0.3.3...

-- 
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From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 20:13:59 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
Message-ID: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>

Dear friends,

I am building a live CD with Gnome, KDE, Kdenlive and other tools. More
than 30% of visitors of the website seem to be runnig Windows. This
should suit their needs to test GNU/Linux and Kdenlive.

The HOWTO page is here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-build-debian-live-cd-kdenlive

The CDs should be available shortly.

Would you like some applications to be included in the live CD?
If so, let me know.

I plant to host the ISOs on my servers to avoid filling Kdenlive
banwidth.

Bye, Jean-Michel




From elhoir at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 20:29:40 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:29:40 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812191229j728f697fh16bb193e78c78526@mail.gmail.com>

i think that, if the main purpose of the LiveCD is to allow users to test
kndenlive, you shouldnt add gnome, as kdenlive is built to work in KDE.
that could be a waste of space.....

but i would add, for example, k3b (to burrn videos made with kdenlive :P),
VLC (to view them).....

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> I am building a live CD with Gnome, KDE, Kdenlive and other tools. More
> than 30% of visitors of the website seem to be runnig Windows. This
> should suit their needs to test GNU/Linux and Kdenlive.
>
> The HOWTO page is here:
>
> http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/how-build-debian-live-cd-kdenlive
>
> The CDs should be available shortly.
>
> Would you like some applications to be included in the live CD?
> If so, let me know.
>
> I plant to host the ISOs on my servers to avoid filling Kdenlive
> banwidth.
>
> Bye, Jean-Michel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 20:36:53 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:36:53 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812191229j728f697fh16bb193e78c78526@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191229j728f697fh16bb193e78c78526@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229719013.29713.8.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:29 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
wrote:
> i think that, if the main purpose of the LiveCD is to allow users to
> test kndenlive, you shouldnt add gnome, as kdenlive is built to work
> in KDE. that could be a waste of space.....   but i would add, for
> example, k3b (to burrn videos made with kdenlive :P), VLC (to view
> them).....

There will be different CD, one with Gnome, another with KDE. I used to
run KDE2 before I migrated to Gnome. So I would like people to be able
to test the two operating systems. So there will be four different
flavours. If it was my personal choice, I would only provide Gnome. But
most users here should be running KDE4. So there will be food for
everyone.

Thanks for the viewer notice, I had forgotten it ... totem-xine and vlc?

Bye. Jean-Michel




From eljefedelito at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 20:44:38 2008
From: eljefedelito at gmail.com (el jefe delito)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812191444.39146.eljefedelito@gmail.com>

> I am building a live CD with Gnome, KDE, Kdenlive and other tools.
I am sure this list isn't the place to discuss my question, so if you can contact me off-list I would be fine with that. eljefedelito at gmail.com

But, WOW is it really that easy to create a debian live cd?  And, will it be installable?  I would be very interested in creating my own spin of Debian to make multiple installs a lot less bandwith-intensive, and will do some homework on how live-helper works, but just wondering if its as easy as the commands on that HowTo page say.

I second that Gnome isn't really needed, and that K3b would be a great addition, as might be QDVDAuthor to author DVDs and menu structures.  NTFS-3g may be a good idea to allow disk read/write for those Windows users, and a KDE GUI for that if there is anything like that.

Firefox or Iceweasel for a more-well-known web browser would be good, but if it's Iceweasel the user may have no idea what that actually is :(  The web browser homepage should go to KDEnlive.org or maybe the tutorials page.



From elhoir at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 20:51:23 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:51:23 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <1229719013.29713.8.camel@debian>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191229j728f697fh16bb193e78c78526@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229719013.29713.8.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812191251k190edcf8tbe779127f8729042@mail.gmail.com>

yeah, i like totem, except for the fact that you have to install all plugins
separately to be able to play media.. you should take it in mind....

maybe you could also put some kind of audio editors, apart from kdenlive...
but this is depending on the available space in a livecd after
compressing... (im thinking in Ubuntu, knoppix...)

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:29 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
> wrote:
> > i think that, if the main purpose of the LiveCD is to allow users to
> > test kndenlive, you shouldnt add gnome, as kdenlive is built to work
> > in KDE. that could be a waste of space.....   but i would add, for
> > example, k3b (to burrn videos made with kdenlive :P), VLC (to view
> > them).....
>
> There will be different CD, one with Gnome, another with KDE. I used to
> run KDE2 before I migrated to Gnome. So I would like people to be able
> to test the two operating systems. So there will be four different
> flavours. If it was my personal choice, I would only provide Gnome. But
> most users here should be running KDE4. So there will be food for
> everyone.
>
> Thanks for the viewer notice, I had forgotten it ... totem-xine and vlc?
>
> Bye. Jean-Michel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 21:11:06 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:11:06 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <200812191444.39146.eljefedelito@gmail.com>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<200812191444.39146.eljefedelito@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229721066.7488.5.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 14:44 -0600, el jefe delito wrote:
> I am sure this list isn't the place to discuss my question, so if you
> can contact me off-list I would be fine with that.
> eljefedelito at gmail.com
> 
> But, WOW is it really that easy to create a debian live cd?  And, will
> it be installable? 

Yes it is as easy as that. 

I started learning at 18:00 how to make a Debian live CD .. and it was
ready by 21:00. You cannot imagine a faster learning curse.

Is the CD installable? I don't belive so. Might be. Don't know ...

I am going to create a live-CD place on the developer forum, where we
can discuss inclusion of packages. If you have a Debian station, maybe
you could be responsible for KDE live-CDs. Or write the packages and I
apply the scripts running them at night.

I used to run KDE2 in the early days. Now I run Gnome and I think that
KDE is looking a little bit Windowish. KDE applications are great. But
not the desktop. My own opinion. Anyone has a different opinion, this is
50% pros and cons.

Bye.




From elhoir at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 21:15:10 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:15:10 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <1229721066.7488.5.camel@debian>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<200812191444.39146.eljefedelito@gmail.com>
	<1229721066.7488.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812191315n7b9ed36an307a28ca027a54fe@mail.gmail.com>

im running gnome too, and i have same opinion about KDE

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 14:44 -0600, el jefe delito wrote:
> > I am sure this list isn't the place to discuss my question, so if you
> > can contact me off-list I would be fine with that.
> > eljefedelito at gmail.com
> >
> > But, WOW is it really that easy to create a debian live cd?  And, will
> > it be installable?
>
> Yes it is as easy as that.
>
> I started learning at 18:00 how to make a Debian live CD .. and it was
> ready by 21:00. You cannot imagine a faster learning curse.
>
> Is the CD installable? I don't belive so. Might be. Don't know ...
>
> I am going to create a live-CD place on the developer forum, where we
> can discuss inclusion of packages. If you have a Debian station, maybe
> you could be responsible for KDE live-CDs. Or write the packages and I
> apply the scripts running them at night.
>
> I used to run KDE2 in the early days. Now I run Gnome and I think that
> KDE is looking a little bit Windowish. KDE applications are great. But
> not the desktop. My own opinion. Anyone has a different opinion, this is
> 50% pros and cons.
>
> Bye.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 21:19:08 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:19:08 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812191251k190edcf8tbe779127f8729042@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191229j728f697fh16bb193e78c78526@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229719013.29713.8.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191251k190edcf8tbe779127f8729042@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229721548.25706.1.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:51 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
wrote:
> yeah, i like totem, except for the fact that you have to install all
> plugins separately to be able to play media.. you should take it in
> mind....   

This is why I added totem-xine and not totem, which requires several
packages.

> maybe you could also put some kind of audio editors, apart from
> kdenlive... but this is depending on the available space in a livecd
> after compressing... (im thinking in Ubuntu, knoppix...)

audacity+ardour

Forum: http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/developers-forums/kdenlive-live-cd

Bye.




From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 19 21:21:34 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:21:34 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812191315n7b9ed36an307a28ca027a54fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<200812191444.39146.eljefedelito@gmail.com>
	<1229721066.7488.5.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191315n7b9ed36an307a28ca027a54fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229721694.25706.5.camel@debian>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 22:15 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
wrote:
> im running gnome too, and i have same opinion about KDE

Presently I am migrating my friends desktop (2009 is the year of
migration to Linux of people who never touch an editor) and they did not
like KDE usability. It looks like Windows. This is why I was plannig
demos of Kdenlive under Gnome. Gnome is better than MacOsX. Gnome+ KDE
applications is the winner in my opinion. As I belive that other members
will love KDE4, we need also a KDE only CD. 

Using Debian tools, it is no big deal to create those 4 CDs.

Bye.




From elhoir at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 21:26:55 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:26:55 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive live CDs
In-Reply-To: <1229721548.25706.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229717639.26927.3.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191229j728f697fh16bb193e78c78526@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229719013.29713.8.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812191251k190edcf8tbe779127f8729042@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229721548.25706.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812191326h22d88d45jbb0a8b0294e455ac@mail.gmail.com>

hhmm... have you tested "traverso" instead of audacity? i tried both and i
chose traverso....
its open souorce and its also bundled in ubuntu repos..

also, what about including jack support? :) (i guess it includes alsa by
default)

http://www.traverso-daw.org

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:51 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
> wrote:
> > yeah, i like totem, except for the fact that you have to install all
> > plugins separately to be able to play media.. you should take it in
> > mind....
>
> This is why I added totem-xine and not totem, which requires several
> packages.
>
> > maybe you could also put some kind of audio editors, apart from
> > kdenlive... but this is depending on the available space in a livecd
> > after compressing... (im thinking in Ubuntu, knoppix...)
>
> audacity+ardour
>
> Forum: http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/developers-forums/kdenlive-live-cd
>
> Bye.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec 19 22:16:20 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:16:20 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] AVCHD/h264 decoding benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <1229590333.20490.4.camel@debian>
References: <1229503818.31632.13.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171043v1397d4ack5371eca195947479@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229541142.8372.6.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812171424n655b3649hb5ac20687dae2ebe@mail.gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812172055g66fe26d1n329d72b2639ba888@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229590333.20490.4.camel@debian>
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 20:55 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>> $ inigo some.mts skip_loop_filter=all skip_frame=bidir -consumer
>> westley:some-fast.westley
>
> This works great. My dual-core processor jumped to 80% activity. The
> view was good enough to view the clip monitor interactively. We don't
> need B frames during editing.

The next problem is to figure out how to swap in and out properties
when rendering vs. editing/preview. To me, this can be a problem very
similar to proxy, aka offline, editing - transcode clips to lower res,
faster format and then substitute the originals when rendering. One
way to do this is to make westley virtual clips for the proxies,
symlink to the desired, and use the symlinks in the project. Then, the
symlinks can change depending on the upon the task mode. That would
create a little problem when you continue to use the project while it
is being rendered. Another way is for kdenlive to manage all of this
and just MLT about different resources depending upon the mode.

> No problem about it, you are a real programming master.
>
> What is the impact of seeking problems on MLT and Kdenlive. Are there
> limitations in video editing?

There is the soft limitation of not always being able to see when you
are making very precise cuts and trims. However, there is a hard
limitation as raised by Johannes Wilm that seeking artifacts occur in
rendered output whenever the in point is not the start of the file.

-- 
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From amir_in at netvision.net.il  Sat Dec 20 10:24:55 2008
From: amir_in at netvision.net.il (amir sher)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:24:55 +0200
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] updated Hebrew translation
In-Reply-To: <1229674109.7447.24.camel@debian>
References: <494B3A2A.4030602@netvision.net.il>
	<1229674109.7447.24.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <494CC7F7.1040408@netvision.net.il>

Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 08:07 +0200, amir sher wrote:
>> hello,
>> I got the Hebrew translation reviewed, I've attached the updated 
>> version. can someone with SVN access updated it to trunk.
>> thank you,
>> Amir
>>
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> We would appreciate that you register on SourceForge, upload your SSH
> key, so that you are granted access to our SVN.
> 
> By the way, does Kdenlive behave nicely in RTL languages?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
> 
> 

for now, i prefer that some else upload to SVN (I might break 
something...). I haven't tested the translation because I'm using a 
package from debian-multimedia and have to wait for 0.7.1 hitting the 
repo. I just translated all the strings.

hopefully someone will upload to SVN before tagging....

Amir



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From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sat Dec 20 11:50:24 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:50:24 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Mlt-devel]  Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812191209y7fc8ab26if54de40243b5094f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<200812181950.11268.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<27dd34e60812191209y7fc8ab26if54de40243b5094f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812201250.24739.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 19 December 2008 skrev Dan Dennedy:

> > in other words: can i build and run kdenlive if mlt has everything 
disabled
> > except from:
> > avformat
> > swscale ( ^ both ffmpeg, i know)
> > qimage
> > westley
> > ? is any of these four options non ABSOLUTELY required?
> 
> I think qimage is not required, but something in kdenlive may fail if
> gtk2 is then not available. One of the 2 is required to load images.

I think the consensus from jb is that Kdenlive *do* want to have qimage 
available. He specifically asked me to change the wizard to require it (which 
it now does).

Regards

Mads
-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The US population is 4 % of the global one. They produce 23 % of the global 
pollution.



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 15:03:53 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:03:53 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [Mlt-devel]  Doc: installing from source
In-Reply-To: <200812201250.24739.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229207502.15917.4.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812191209y7fc8ab26if54de40243b5094f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812201250.24739.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812201603.54429.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

thanks for your help dan and mads, now i know everything i need!
i'm submitting ports to freebsd right now, let's hope they'll be fast in 
accepting them!
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From lists.jjorge at free.fr  Sat Dec 20 17:05:18 2008
From: lists.jjorge at free.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_JORGE?=)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:05:18 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Live CDs with Kdenlive 0.7
In-Reply-To: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812201805.18249.lists.jjorge@free.fr>

A Friday 19 December 2008 12:35:55, Jean-Michel Pour? escreveu:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Are your aware of GNU/Linux live CDs offering Kdenlive 0.7 by default.
> This is for advocating Win32 users and help them migrate to a Free
> environment.
>
Mandriva 2007 One CDs came with Kdenlive 0.5, this is why I use it 
nowadays ;-) So yes it is a good idea. I think we should only provide a SVN 
up2date version, which is what is hard to get today in linux world...



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sat Dec 20 19:27:56 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:27:56 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] updated Hebrew translation
In-Reply-To: <494B3A2A.4030602@netvision.net.il>
References: <494B3A2A.4030602@netvision.net.il>
Message-ID: <200812202027.57061.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 19 December 2008 skrev amir sher:
> hello,
> I got the Hebrew translation reviewed, I've attached the updated 
> version. can someone with SVN access updated it to trunk.

Hi

I just had a look. There is an error in line 832:

/usr/bin/msgfmt: fandt 1 fatal fejl
make[2]: *** [po/he/kdenlive.gmo] Fejl 1
make[1]: *** [po/he/CMakeFiles/pofiles.dir/all] Fejl 2
make: *** [all] Fejl 2

Its because the strings does not both end in \n

#, kde-format
msgid "Effect %1:%2 not found in MLT, it was removed from this project\n"
msgstr "?n\???? %1:%2 ?? ???? ?-MLT, ????? ???? ????????? ??????"

Could you please correct this? I am unable to, as this right to left writing 
severely confuses me :-)

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Who do you trust? Nobody? Good, let's put Nobody in charge then... 

               - The Register on TCPA/Palladium, 20021109



From jm at poure.com  Sat Dec 20 21:05:02 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:05:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Live CDs with Kdenlive 0.7
In-Reply-To: <200812201805.18249.lists.jjorge@free.fr>
References: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>
	<200812201805.18249.lists.jjorge@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1229807102.8510.1.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 18:05 +0100, Jos? JORGE wrote:
> Mandriva 2007 One CDs came with Kdenlive 0.5, this is why I use it 
> nowadays ;-) So yes it is a good idea. I think we should only provide
> a SVN 
> up2date version, which is what is hard to get today in linux world...

We rely on Debian packages and besides JB and other developers agreed to
publish releases more frequently. Christmas is coming ...

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel






From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 13:35:45 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] string freeze?
Message-ID: <200812211435.46531.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

I saw an updated pot in today's svn. May i assume we are in string freeze? Is 
the release still  planned for ~Xmas?
-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sun Dec 21 13:49:30 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:49:30 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] string freeze?
In-Reply-To: <200812211435.46531.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <200812211435.46531.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812211449.30491.mads@dydensborg.dk>

s?ndag 21 December 2008 skrev opensourcecat:
> I saw an updated pot in today's svn. 

2811, just hebrew.

> May i assume we are in string freeze? 

I wouldn't....

> Is the release still  planned for ~Xmas?

I am fairly certain, yes. Jb is the only know who really knows.

Regards

Mads

-- 
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You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services, infringe any
intellectual property or other rights of these parties, violate any state,
federal or international law, or promote racism, hatred or pornography. 
                                     - Part of MS Frontpage 2002 EULA



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sun Dec 21 13:51:27 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:51:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Version 0.7.2
Message-ID: <200812211451.27928.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

In anticipation of 0.7.1 I have created a 0.7.2 release, which might come in 
handy, if we/jb should decide to postpone any of the open issues to a later 
version. We were going to need it at some point soon anyway, so now it is 
there. A single (new) feature request/usuability issue has been targeted for 
this version so far.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The low quality of [MP3] files should prevent this format from threatening
control of our intellectual property. Why would anyone listen to a sub-CD
quality song when they can easily buy the CD at the local Tower Records?
                               - RIAA head, Hillary Rosen, March 1997



From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 21 20:59:25 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:59:25 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
Message-ID: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

As regards recent questions from users, it seem important to test the
quality of packages proposed for download, as regards popular
distributions. I am running a Debian and packages are of very good
quality. What about other distributions. Can some of you report?

For unknown distributions, can we organize to install them in qemu and
test packages? It should be possible to query ffmpeg and see what
options were compiled.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sun Dec 21 21:17:49 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:17:49 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <1229680045.16488.14.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229680045.16488.14.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812212217.50174.mads@dydensborg.dk>

fredag 19 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:

> For example, as you discussed bug report rules,
> it would be nice when time permits to add
> bug report rules.
> 
> Maybe on this page:
> http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports

I had a look at this. Allow me to reiterate. We have two sides to bug 
handling:

a) the user side
b) the devel/updater side

I wrote a policy for b), which I think we are mostly sticking to. I think 
Cinephiliac wrote some more info about a) at some point, mostly technical 
stuff about backtraces, versions, things like that? I can not locate/find it 
at the website though.

I think we should organize the information into two as well. a) should go into 
http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports - but should we add the stuff Cinephiliac 
wrote about versions and that sort of thing? (Yes, please).

b) should probably not go into http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports, but either 
under the developer section, or directly on mantis?

Or, what is your thoughts?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  
               - Ben Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Sun Dec 21 21:18:58 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:18:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
In-Reply-To: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
References: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>

s?ndag 21 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> As regards recent questions from users, it seem important to test the
> quality of packages proposed for download, as regards popular
> distributions. I am running a Debian and packages are of very good
> quality. What about other distributions. Can some of you report?
> 
> For unknown distributions, can we organize to install them in qemu and
> test packages? It should be possible to query ffmpeg and see what
> options were compiled.

I can see that it would make sense to sort of test the packages that we link 
to. On the other hand, most other projects write something like "These 
packages have not been tested by us" disclaimer like.

Testing packages can be a lot of work, I think.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to
the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers
to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of patent
protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich
nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits
the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to
impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development.
But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the past.
                           - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense



From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 21:29:48 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:29:48 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <200812212217.50174.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian> <1229680045.16488.14.camel@debian>
	<200812212217.50174.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812212229.48741.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:17:49 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> I think we should organize the information into two as well. a) should go
> into http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports - but should we add the stuff
> Cinephiliac wrote about versions and that sort of thing? (Yes, please).

i strongly agree, so we could avoid replying often the same way to bug 
reports: please provide...

> b) should probably not go into http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports, but
> either under the developer section, or directly on mantis?

i'd put this under the developer section, and perhaps i would add link to the 
page in mantis
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From elhoir at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 23:47:58 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:47:58 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
In-Reply-To: <200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
	<200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812211547k429c64bdlfedfa41c293cabad@mail.gmail.com>

For if it is useful, this is the configuration of ffmpeg in Ubuntu 8.10
(repo package):

  configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-pp --enable-swscaler --enable-x11grab
--prefix=/usr --enable-libgsm --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis
--enable-pthreads --disable-strip --enable-libfaad --enable-libfaadbin
--enable-liba52 --enable-liba52bin --enable-libdc1394 --disable-armv5te
--disable-armv6 --disable-altivec --disable-vis --enable-shared
--disable-static


On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
<mads at dydensborg.dk>wrote:

> s?ndag 21 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > As regards recent questions from users, it seem important to test the
> > quality of packages proposed for download, as regards popular
> > distributions. I am running a Debian and packages are of very good
> > quality. What about other distributions. Can some of you report?
> >
> > For unknown distributions, can we organize to install them in qemu and
> > test packages? It should be possible to query ffmpeg and see what
> > options were compiled.
>
> I can see that it would make sense to sort of test the packages that we
> link
> to. On the other hand, most other projects write something like "These
> packages have not been tested by us" disclaimer like.
>
> Testing packages can be a lot of work, I think.
>
> Regards
>
> Mads
>
> --
> Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/
>
> Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to
> the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers
> to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of
> patent
> protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich
> nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits
> the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to
> impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development.
> But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the
> past.
>                           - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec 22 04:04:49 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:04:49 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] [PATCH] remove ffmpeg libs dependency
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812212004h2935a9d1k73f9a025ef263830@mail.gmail.com>

This patch uses the new "meta.media." properties exposed by the mlt
producer_avformat.

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From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 22 08:02:15 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:02:15 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <200812212217.50174.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812191027.16577.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229680045.16488.14.camel@debian>
	<200812212217.50174.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229932935.6721.5.camel@debian>

> I think we should organize the information into two as well. a) should
> go into 
> http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports - but should we add the stuff
> Cinephiliac 
> wrote about versions and that sort of thing? (Yes, please).
> 
> b) should probably not go into http://www.kdenlive.org/bug-reports,
> but either 
> under the developer section, or directly on mantis?

My point of view is that you should gather everything on the web site.
Mantis will replaced as soon as the issue module is ported to Drupal 6.6
or 7.0.

Users need a clear view of how to report a bug. So the bug page is
perfect. For developers, maybe a howto in the contribution manual would
be okay. Maybe a backlink on Mantis web page to kdenlive.org would be
nice.

Kdenlive homepage is organized using panes. When time permits I will add
panes on the user and developer pages to display more content than just
a menu.

Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 22 08:41:42 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:41:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812211547k429c64bdlfedfa41c293cabad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
	<200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<42f232c80812211547k429c64bdlfedfa41c293cabad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229935302.28500.32.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 00:47 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
wrote:
> For if it is useful, this is the configuration of ffmpeg in Ubuntu
> 8.10 (repo package):
> 
>   configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-pp --enable-swscaler
> --enable-x11grab --prefix=/usr --enable-libgsm --enable-libtheora
> --enable-libvorbis --enable-pthreads --disable-strip --enable-libfaad
> --enable-libfaadbin --enable-liba52 --enable-liba52bin
> --enable-libdc1394 --disable-armv5te --disable-armv6 --disable-altivec
> --disable-vis --enable-shared --disable-static

Could you install and test these packages. This would be extremely
useful if you could report and test them:
http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages

Otherwize, I consider building qemu images and uploading them to my
website. From time to time, it would allow to download images and test
packages. But this is quite complicated.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 22 11:29:22 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:29:22 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <1229932935.6721.5.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812212217.50174.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<1229932935.6721.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812221229.23008.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 22 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> 
> My point of view is that you should gather everything on the web site.

OK.

> Mantis will replaced as soon as the issue module is ported to Drupal 6.6
> or 7.0.

This statement makes me very very nervous. I take issue tracking quite serious 
(might be evident), and Mantis is far from perfect. It lacks quite a number 
of the advanced features of serious bug trackers like e.g. Bugzilla. But, we 
*can* manage with Mantis, although not a day goes by when I do not wish for 
Bugzilla :-) (To be fair, I think the Changelog and Roadmap pages in Mantis 
are pretty nice, and the rss support too.).

Looking at the drupal issue tracking at 
http://drupal.org/project/project_issue I am not at all convinced that it is 
not a huge step back from mantis!

What are the benefits of changing to drupal issue tracking? 

How do we implement roles/granulated access rights? How is issue 
interdependencies handled? Please tell me there there is better (*far* 
better) search options than: http://drupal.org/project/issues/search/ - which 
is a joke, really... Does it support the Changelog and Roadmap features of 
mantis, or do we need to implement this differently? Does it support rss? How 
about monitoring?

Life is far to short to struggle with a "bad" bug/issue tracker system. The 
benefits of changing to drupal issue tracking should be substantial, 
otherwise I think it would be a serious mistake to do it.

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S. no longer
is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy.
                               - H. Peter Anvin



From elhoir at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 12:30:52 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:30:52 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Live CDs with Kdenlive 0.7
In-Reply-To: <1229807102.8510.1.camel@debian>
References: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>
	<200812201805.18249.lists.jjorge@free.fr>
	<1229807102.8510.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812220430l51bd7464ue316dc55cc0a9766@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jean-Michel

Just an opinion about Live-CDs.... im one of those people who dont like
burning DVD which has just 1/4 of its capacity filled, because i feel like
wasting free space (and actually i am doing it)

so, maybe you are right including gnome, kde, and the software you want to
include in there, just to fit the 4.3Gb DVDs :-P

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 18:05 +0100, Jos? JORGE wrote:
> > Mandriva 2007 One CDs came with Kdenlive 0.5, this is why I use it
> > nowadays ;-) So yes it is a good idea. I think we should only provide
> > a SVN
> > up2date version, which is what is hard to get today in linux world...
>
> We rely on Debian packages and besides JB and other developers agreed to
> publish releases more frequently. Christmas is coming ...
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Dec 22 16:23:12 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:23:12 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <200812221229.23008.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian> <1229932935.6721.5.camel@debian>
	<200812221229.23008.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812221723.12950.jb@kdenlive.org>

On Monday 22 December 2008 12:29:22 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> mandag 22 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> > My point of view is that you should gather everything on the web site.

> > Mantis will replaced as soon as the issue module is ported to Drupal 6.6
> > or 7.0.
>
> This statement makes me very very nervous. I take issue tracking quite

I agree with Mads that we cannot switch to the Drupal issue tracker until we 
are sure it can bring us what we need.

For sure, a single login for everything would be nice, but the bug tracker 
currently works rather well for What we need.

Jean-Michel, I think all the people involved in the management of bugs should 
be able to test the new system and give their approval before we make such an 
important switch.

regards
jb





From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 22 20:08:19 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:08:19 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <200812221723.12950.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian> <1229932935.6721.5.camel@debian>
	<200812221229.23008.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<200812221723.12950.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1229976499.27006.5.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 17:23 +0100, jb wrote:
> Jean-Michel, I think all the people involved in the management of bugs
> should 
> be able to test the new system and give their approval before we make
> such an 
> important switch.

The drupal module is not ready, development at Drupal is lagging
behind. 

> Mantis will replaced as soon as the issue module is ported to Drupal 
> 6.6 or 7.0.

Switching involves migrating all data from Mantis and this is probably a
hard work, which involves all community. This cannot be done without
approval.

Bye and happy new year,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 22 20:18:12 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:18:12 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <1229976499.27006.5.camel@debian>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812221723.12950.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<1229976499.27006.5.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812222118.13436.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 22 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pour?:
> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 17:23 +0100, jb wrote:

> Switching involves migrating all data from Mantis and this is probably a
> hard work, which involves all community. This cannot be done without
> approval.

To give the drupal issue tracker a fair chance, we could try it out without 
migrating first (Just track some fake bugs)? I would be willing to do that, 
although I still think that we lack understanding of the benefits? If it 
is "just" having a single login, I believe this might be solvable in other 
ways? 

A cursory search gives this bug in mantis itself, which might be relevant:
http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=4235
And, also this thread, which has some code examples (in php):
http://www.mantisbt.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3943

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple,
and wrong.
 
      - H. L. Mencken



From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 22 20:27:16 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:27:16 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Live CDs with Kdenlive 0.7
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812220430l51bd7464ue316dc55cc0a9766@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>
	<200812201805.18249.lists.jjorge@free.fr>
	<1229807102.8510.1.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812220430l51bd7464ue316dc55cc0a9766@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1229977637.9005.4.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 13:30 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
wrote:
> Just an opinion about Live-CDs.... im one of those people who dont
> like burning DVD which has just 1/4 of its capacity filled, because i
> feel like wasting free space (and actually i am doing it)

Dear Javier Agust?n,

You are pointing out the CD which is not ready yet. Read:
http://kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/live-dvds-and-cds

DVDs are still missing other applications, a Debian installer and source
code. I am building the live installer gradualy, step-by-step.
Everyday I publish new additions untils it becomes a good solutions.

The DVD should have every package ready for installation. This is why it
is quite large. I had no time to explain, sorry.

If you have suggestions, do not hesitate to make proposals:
http://kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/live-dvds-and-cds

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 22 20:36:54 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:36:54 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Bug handling (was website changes)
In-Reply-To: <200812222118.13436.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229015066.1943.1.camel@debian>
	<200812221723.12950.jb@kdenlive.org> <1229976499.27006.5.camel@debian>
	<200812222118.13436.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <1229978214.9005.13.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 21:18 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> 
> To give the drupal issue tracker a fair chance, we could try it out
> without 
> migrating first (Just track some fake bugs)? I would be willing to do
> that, 
> although I still think that we lack understanding of the benefits? If
> it 
> is "just" having a single login, I believe this might be solvable in
> other 
> ways? 

Mads: there is no limit to organization. Anyway, migrating to Drupal bug
system is a long and tedious work, probably a week-man work and I don't
have the time to even think about it right now. So don't be worried for
Mantis. It will stay quite a while. And of course we will discuss deeply
before migrating. Mantis is not my priority.

If you have problems writing on Drupal, let me know. Alberto Villa
reported problems on his pages and I think I fixed it. I used a moule
for book access which tweaked access rules and did not work. I hope
access rights are back now.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 21:35:00 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
In-Reply-To: <200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
	<200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812232235.00631.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:18:58 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote:
> > As regards recent questions from users, it seem important to test the
> > quality of packages proposed for download, as regards popular
> > distributions. I am running a Debian and packages are of very good
> > quality. What about other distributions. Can some of you report?

i'm quite sure we can test the quality of the packages we use (but i'm doing 
packages for my os so i'm not the one who can say this)

> > For unknown distributions, can we organize to install them in qemu and
> > test packages? It should be possible to query ffmpeg and see what
> > options were compiled.
>
> I can see that it would make sense to sort of test the packages that we
> link to. On the other hand, most other projects write something like "These
> packages have not been tested by us" disclaimer like.
>
> Testing packages can be a lot of work, I think.

if we could always distribute high quality packages it would be symptom of a 
well organized project, absolutely, but as mads says, it can be a lot of work. 
we're all busy with lots of tasks (development, bug tracking and fixing, 
website administration, documentation... real life, anyone? not me anymore :P) 
and i think we can't find the time to do also this. but as more contributors 
are coming (they really are!) they could help with this. could we find someone 
willing to help among them? this is actually an easy task, and that would mean 
more people involved with kdenlive...
(gosh, horrible english, get to go back on books)
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Tue Dec 23 23:42:35 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:42:35 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Increasing the upload filesize in mantis?
In-Reply-To: <200812151243.04103.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812151243.04103.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <200812240042.36083.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 15 December 2008 skrev Mads Bondo Dydensborg:
> Hi all (JB indeed)
> 
> We keep "needing" to upload larger than 5 MB clips to mantis. I think 
raising 
> this limit is not possible from the management interface, and in any case, I 
> would prefer not to do it, without an OK from JB.
> 
> But, I would like for it to go up to e.g. 50MB. 10 secs of DV is about 30-40 
> MB, so that would be nice to be able to upload.

This was done at some point, but appears to be broken. 

Users report errors like this:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 50331648 bytes exhausted (tried to
allocate 72000001 bytes) in
/home/www/8864acea003f2354834d936830f18e43/web/mantis/core/database_api.php
on line 395

Anyone able to shed some light on this?

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

There are many gods which Christians reject. I just believe in one less god
then they do. The reasons that you might give for your atheism toward the
Roman gods are likely the same reasons I would give for not believing in
Jesus.
                               - Dan Barker



From jm at poure.com  Wed Dec 24 07:51:01 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
In-Reply-To: <200812232235.00631.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
	<200812212218.58846.mads@dydensborg.dk>
	<200812232235.00631.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1230105061.9490.1.camel@debian>

On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 22:35 +0100, Alberto Villa wrote:
> i'm quite sure we can test the quality of the packages we use (but i'm
> doing 
> packages for my os so i'm not the one who can say this)

Hello Alberto,

Per discussion with Mads, we are taking care of testing packages. Mads
is handling Ubuntu, I am handling SuSE + Mandriva. I thinks this will
help us spend less time on support and more time on other issues or on
the family :)

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 14:44:02 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:44:02 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] happy holidays
Message-ID: <200812241544.03103.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

This is to wish you all really happy holidays and a beautiful 2009.
2008 is taking with him all the best and the bad, and i learned really a lot 
of stuff just for being in touch with this amazing community made of splendid 
and really intelligent people.
2009 will be amazing!


Best wishes again to everyone!
-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From elhoir at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 16:20:34 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:20:34 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Live CDs with Kdenlive 0.7
In-Reply-To: <1229977637.9005.4.camel@debian>
References: <1229686555.22134.1.camel@debian>
	<200812201805.18249.lists.jjorge@free.fr>
	<1229807102.8510.1.camel@debian>
	<42f232c80812220430l51bd7464ue316dc55cc0a9766@mail.gmail.com>
	<1229977637.9005.4.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812240820k253eb4e5of2650074cbd8bf5a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again,

previous mail was just an opinion, but i agree that it sounded a bit
rude....

Please forgive me... and marry christmas :)

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 13:30 +0100, Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo
> wrote:
> > Just an opinion about Live-CDs.... im one of those people who dont
> > like burning DVD which has just 1/4 of its capacity filled, because i
> > feel like wasting free space (and actually i am doing it)
>
> Dear Javier Agust?n,
>
> You are pointing out the CD which is not ready yet. Read:
>
> http://kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/live-dvds-and-cds
>
> DVDs are still missing other applications, a Debian installer and source
> code. I am building the live installer gradualy, step-by-step.
> Everyday I publish new additions untils it becomes a good solutions.
>
> The DVD should have every package ready for installation. This is why it
> is quite large. I had no time to explain, sorry.
>
> If you have suggestions, do not hesitate to make proposals:
>
> http://kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/live-dvds-and-cds
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
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From villa.alberto at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 02:08:33 2008
From: villa.alberto at gmail.com (Alberto Villa)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 03:08:33 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] happy holidays
In-Reply-To: <200812241544.03103.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
References: <200812241544.03103.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812250308.33399.villa.alberto@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 15:44:02 opensourcecat wrote:
> This is to wish you all really happy holidays and a beautiful 2009.
> 2008 is taking with him all the best and the bad, and i learned really a
> lot of stuff just for being in touch with this amazing community made of
> splendid and really intelligent people.
> 2009 will be amazing!
>
>
> Best wishes again to everyone!

i'm not as good with words so i'll just say: have a merry christmas!
-- 
Alberto Villa <villa.alberto at gmail.com>



From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Dec 25 10:29:42 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:29:42 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 release
Message-ID: <200812251129.42905.jb@kdenlive.org>

Hello everyone.

A quick note to tell you I plan to release Kdenlive 0.7.1 on monday, the 29th 
of december.

Most issues in the spacer tool should now be fixed.
In the remaining time, I will try to fix some minor bugs and also check with 
Mads if we can fix some of the keyboard shortcuts.

No more string changes before the 0.7.1 release.

I will also try to provide a fix for "crash on slideshow with luma filter"  
(http://www.kdenlive.org:80/mantis/view.php?id=496 )
But that's an MLT issue, the filter_luma seems to have several issues so the 
Kdenlive release does not really depend on it.

regards
jb




From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 25 10:35:41 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:35:41 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812251129.42905.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812251129.42905.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1230201341.11166.0.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 11:29 +0100, jb wrote:
> A quick note to tell you I plan to release Kdenlive 0.7.1 on monday,
> the 29th 
> of december.

Thank you very much.
Kidn regards, Jean-Michel




From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 11:17:07 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (opensourcecat)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 release
In-Reply-To: <200812251129.42905.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812251129.42905.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <200812251217.07978.opensourcecat@gmail.com>

On gioved? 25 dicembre 2008 11:29:42 jb wrote:
> A quick note to tell you I plan to release Kdenlive 0.7.1 on monday, the
> 29th of december.

Really great present for christmas!
-- 
________________________
Salvatore Brigaglia
http://www.kde-it.org
http://opensourcecat.blogspot.com



From amir_in at netvision.net.il  Thu Dec 25 13:07:31 2008
From: amir_in at netvision.net.il (amir sher)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:07:31 +0200
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Last Hebrew translation for 0.7.1
Message-ID: <49538593.20902@netvision.net.il>

Greetings,
This is based on the last .pot for 0.7.1. Pleased upload to SVN.
Thank you,
Amir
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From jm at poure.com  Thu Dec 25 15:02:54 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:02:54 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] DV rendering seems to be broken for PAL-WIDE
Message-ID: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

DV rendering seems to be broken, at least for PAL-WIDE.

To reproduce:
* Download http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/rawdvpalwide-test-1.dv

* Create a PAL WIDE project.

* Export profiles are not WIDE. 

So create a custom profile:

Extension : dv
Parameters: f=dv vcodec=dvvideo pix_fmt=yuv420p acodec=pcm_s16le

Now export. The resulting file has a wrong DAR. It is normal PAL, not
PAL-WIDE. 

The following FFmpeg command produces exactly the same croped file:
ffmpeg -i rawdvpalwide-test-1.dv -pix_fmt yuv420p test.dv

So how can we export to PAL WIDE in Kdenlive?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From protux at web.de  Thu Dec 25 17:44:03 2008
From: protux at web.de (reinhard)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:44:03 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] video4linux capture via alsa
In-Reply-To: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
References: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <4953C663.8010205@web.de>

Hi,

the default way to capture audio from a webcam via oss don't work for 
me, but I don't know how to tweak the defaults (setting-->configure 
kdenlive-->capture-->video4linux-->audio device) to capture audio via alsa.

Any hints appreciated, thanks.

greetings
reinhard



From mads at dydensborg.dk  Thu Dec 25 19:01:20 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:01:20 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] happy holidays
In-Reply-To: <200812250308.33399.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
References: <200812241544.03103.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<200812250308.33399.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812252001.20768.mads@dydensborg.dk>

torsdag 25 December 2008 skrev Alberto Villa:
> On Wednesday 24 December 2008 15:44:02 opensourcecat wrote:
> > This is to wish you all really happy holidays and a beautiful 2009.
> > 2008 is taking with him all the best and the bad, and i learned really a
> > lot of stuff just for being in touch with this amazing community made of
> > splendid and really intelligent people.
> > 2009 will be amazing!
> >
> >
> > Best wishes again to everyone!
> 
> i'm not as good with words so i'll just say: have a merry christmas!

Ditto here: Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
political behavior of Western Civilization.
                       - Robert A. Wilson (Right Where You Are Sitting Now)



From kevin at dotmon.com  Thu Dec 25 19:58:48 2008
From: kevin at dotmon.com (Kevin Donnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:58:48 +0000
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Testing packages
In-Reply-To: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
References: <1229893165.7349.2.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <200812251958.49112.kevin@dotmon.com>

On Sunday 21 December 2008 20:59, Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> As regards recent questions from users, it seem important to test the
> quality of packages proposed for download, as regards popular
> distributions. I am running a Debian and packages are of very good
> quality. What about other distributions. Can some of you report?

I just installed 0.7 from (I think) the Packman repo on a new install of 
openSUSE 11.1, and it ran very nicely on quite low-spec hardware.  I haven't 
yet used it for morer than tests, though.

-- 
Pob hwyl / Best wishes

Kevin Donnelly

www.cymraeg.org.uk - Welsh-English autotranslator
www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg
www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg



From elhoir at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 01:47:13 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 02:47:13 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] happy holidays
In-Reply-To: <200812252001.20768.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812241544.03103.opensourcecat@gmail.com>
	<200812250308.33399.villa.alberto@gmail.com>
	<200812252001.20768.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812251747q63448b84nc3c3834707c83906@mail.gmail.com>

merry christmas!

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
<mads at dydensborg.dk>wrote:

> torsdag 25 December 2008 skrev Alberto Villa:
> > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 15:44:02 opensourcecat wrote:
> > > This is to wish you all really happy holidays and a beautiful 2009.
> > > 2008 is taking with him all the best and the bad, and i learned really
> a
> > > lot of stuff just for being in touch with this amazing community made
> of
> > > splendid and really intelligent people.
> > > 2009 will be amazing!
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes again to everyone!
> >
> > i'm not as good with words so i'll just say: have a merry christmas!
>
> Ditto here: Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas
>
> Regards
>
> Mads
>
> --
> Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/
>
> The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
> God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
> political behavior of Western Civilization.
>                       - Robert A. Wilson (Right Where You Are Sitting Now)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Kdenlive-devel mailing list
> Kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
>
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From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec 26 05:24:22 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:24:22 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] DV rendering seems to be broken for PAL-WIDE
In-Reply-To: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
References: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812252124k7d598d9ch8b5d5f167cf77c3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> DV rendering seems to be broken, at least for PAL-WIDE.
>
> To reproduce:
> * Download http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/rawdvpalwide-test-1.dv
>
> * Create a PAL WIDE project.
>
> * Export profiles are not WIDE.
>
> So create a custom profile:
>
> Extension : dv
> Parameters: f=dv vcodec=dvvideo pix_fmt=yuv420p acodec=pcm_s16le
>
> Now export. The resulting file has a wrong DAR. It is normal PAL, not
> PAL-WIDE.

This is fixed now in MLT.

> The following FFmpeg command produces exactly the same croped file:
> ffmpeg -i rawdvpalwide-test-1.dv -pix_fmt yuv420p test.dv

This could be considered a bug, but the whole area around correct
sample aspect ratio for DV, DVD and similar formats is rather nasty.
Basically, the sample aspect ratio FFmpeg uses for DV is not
mathmetically convertable to display ratio using the resolution like
every other format. This is all really messy, and the details are
tiresome and unpleasant for me to go into on a Christmas night. But
basically, the FFmpeg DV decoder uses these more proper ratios, but
the encoder, being generic and agnostic to its source uses a simple
mathematical formula to determine if it is wide. Well, the proper wide
PAL sample aspect ratio fails this test! I am able to work around it
in MLT.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From dan at dennedy.org  Fri Dec 26 05:31:47 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:31:47 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] video4linux capture via alsa
In-Reply-To: <4953C663.8010205@web.de>
References: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian> <4953C663.8010205@web.de>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812252131q5ba89b11hd36f57333ed1b7ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, reinhard <protux at web.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the default way to capture audio from a webcam via oss don't work for
> me, but I don't know how to tweak the defaults (setting-->configure
> kdenlive-->capture-->video4linux-->audio device) to capture audio via alsa.
>

kdenlive uses ffmpeg, which does not support ALSA yet. Well, I saw
patches for ALSA support on the mailing list very recently. So, it
might be working now, but best to assume not for now.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From rpopov at jet.msk.su  Fri Dec 26 09:08:25 2008
From: rpopov at jet.msk.su (Ruslan Popov)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:08:25 +0300
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] DV rendering seems to be broken for PAL-WIDE
In-Reply-To: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
References: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <49549F09.9030400@jet.msk.su>

Hello,

This is not big problem. Also Dan have told that it is fixed in MLT now.
I had solved this problem so: just open this DV in Kino and export as dual
pass VOB :)

But, there is huge problem -> http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=438

To reproduce:
Open any project, export project as MPEG2, create dvdauthor XML for simple
DVD disk, try to authorize with dvdauthor -x your_XML and you will get
segmentation fault of dvdauthor in 80% cases, the rest cases you will get
non seekable DVD with frozen 10 seconds at beginning of every title.

Jean-Michel Pour? wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> DV rendering seems to be broken, at least for PAL-WIDE.
> 
> To reproduce:
> * Download http://www.kdenlive.org/videos/rawdvpalwide-test-1.dv
> 
> * Create a PAL WIDE project.
> 
> * Export profiles are not WIDE. 
> 
> So create a custom profile:
> 
> Extension : dv
> Parameters: f=dv vcodec=dvvideo pix_fmt=yuv420p acodec=pcm_s16le
> 
> Now export. The resulting file has a wrong DAR. It is normal PAL, not
> PAL-WIDE. 
> 
> The following FFmpeg command produces exactly the same croped file:
> ffmpeg -i rawdvpalwide-test-1.dv -pix_fmt yuv420p test.dv
> 
> So how can we export to PAL WIDE in Kdenlive?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jm at poure.com  Fri Dec 26 09:48:28 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:48:28 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] DV rendering seems to be broken for PAL-WIDE
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812252124k7d598d9ch8b5d5f167cf77c3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1230217374.19054.7.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812252124k7d598d9ch8b5d5f167cf77c3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1230284908.5686.4.camel@debian>

On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 21:24 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> This is fixed now in MLT.

Thank you very much. I will update export profiles accordingly.

> This could be considered a bug, but the whole area around correct
> sample aspect ratio for DV, DVD and similar formats is rather nasty.
> Basically, the sample aspect ratio FFmpeg uses for DV is not
> mathmetically convertable to display ratio using the resolution like
> every other format. This is all really messy, and the details are
> tiresome and unpleasant for me to go into on a Christmas night. But
> basically, the FFmpeg DV decoder uses these more proper ratios, but
> the encoder, being generic and agnostic to its source uses a simple
> mathematical formula to determine if it is wide. Well, the proper wide
> PAL sample aspect ratio fails this test! I am able to work around it
> in MLT.
Thanks to MLT! I hope that some day someone picks up MLT and Inigo to
make it the default player in GNU/Linux. 

Bye. Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Sat Dec 27 07:25:37 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive anamorphic problem in rendering to H.264
	+ sound issues
Message-ID: <1230362737.7297.8.camel@debian>

Dear Friends,

I made some changes to export profiles using
http://itbroadcastanddigitalcinema.com/ffmpeg_howto.html

There are still some problem:

1) H.264 rendering
Download and HDV movie from our footage page
http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/footage

Then export to H.264. It is 4:3 and not 16:9

2) Lossless/HQ profiles

Rendering to Mpeg2 and H.264 I-frames only works very well.
But I would prefer pcm_s16le audio codec. This is not possible, breaking
export. Is it because Mpeg2 and H.264 should never have uncompressed
sound? I am surprised. Any solution for uncompressed sound?

3) Number of channels
Sometimes sources with several audio channels do not export well. 

Example: http://www.poure.com/footage/sony-hdr-cx-6-1080i.mts
which has two pcm_s16le audio channels.

So it might be usefull to add ac=2 to some export profiles. What is your
opinion?

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From dan at dennedy.org  Sat Dec 27 20:48:21 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:48:21 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive anamorphic problem in rendering to
	H.264 + sound issues
In-Reply-To: <1230362737.7297.8.camel@debian>
References: <1230362737.7297.8.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812271248t240a12eaqe351ad92e7d5e088@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Jean-Michel Pour? <jm at poure.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> I made some changes to export profiles using
> http://itbroadcastanddigitalcinema.com/ffmpeg_howto.html
>
> There are still some problem:
>
> 1) H.264 rendering
> Download and HDV movie from our footage page
> http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/footage
>
> Then export to H.264. It is 4:3 and not 16:9

Looks fine in ffplay and vlc, but not inigo/kdenlive. I'll look into this.

> 2) Lossless/HQ profiles
>
> Rendering to Mpeg2 and H.264 I-frames only works very well.
> But I would prefer pcm_s16le audio codec. This is not possible, breaking
> export. Is it because Mpeg2 and H.264 should never have uncompressed
> sound? I am surprised. Any solution for uncompressed sound?

"linear pcm" should be possible, but I have little experience with it.
I will visit this after the next release. Please open an issue for it.

> 3) Number of channels
> Sometimes sources with several audio channels do not export well.

Please be specific about which render options.

> Example: http://www.poure.com/footage/sony-hdr-cx-6-1080i.mts
> which has two pcm_s16le audio channels.

I only see one 6-ch audio stream in that sample. I am not sure if you
are referring to multi-channel (more than stereo) or multiple audio
streams. Right now, MLT only deals with one audio stream.

> So it might be usefull to add ac=2 to some export profiles. What is your
> opinion?

Some audio formats do not like >2 channels. Right now, the resampler
which gets applied automatically to all producers should already
convert 6 channels to stereo. Full multi-channel support needs some
work. I loaded the above file into kdenlive and successfully rendered
to MPEG-2 and AVC MP4 with stereo audio.

-- 
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From jm at poure.com  Sun Dec 28 20:46:46 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:46:46 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive anamorphic problem in rendering
	to	H.264 + sound issues
In-Reply-To: <27dd34e60812271248t240a12eaqe351ad92e7d5e088@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1230362737.7297.8.camel@debian>
	<27dd34e60812271248t240a12eaqe351ad92e7d5e088@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1230497206.25037.0.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 12:48 -0800, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> > 1) H.264 rendering
> > Download and HDV movie from our footage page
> > http://www.kdenlive.org/contribution-manual/footage
> >
> > Then export to H.264. It is 4:3 and not 16:9
> 
> Looks fine in ffplay and vlc, but not inigo/kdenlive. I'll look into
> this.

Just a quick note that a user reported a strange display issue on AVCHD
files here:
http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/distorted-project-monitor-50i-hd
This may be related.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 29 00:48:12 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Draft for kdenlive shortcuts
Message-ID: <200812290148.12606.mads@dydensborg.dk>

Hi all

Please find attached a draft for Kdenlive shortcuts (as an OpenOffice 
spreadsheet). This is related to issue 
http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=471 which is on the roadmap for 
kdenlive 0.7.1

Its pretty long - and it is a draft. I have tried to make it conform to both 
KDE guidelines, and "common sense", but both are highly debatable.

Given that I suggest a number of changes and "making room for future actions", 
I think 471 (and 317) should be removed from 0.7.1. Sorry about that - it has 
taken longer than I thought it would.

Regards

Mads

-- 
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From kami911 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 09:46:45 2008
From: kami911 at gmail.com (KAMI911)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:46:45 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Updated Hungarian translation V2
In-Reply-To: <1228290722.5667.1.camel@debian>
References: <4932F02D.7040409@gmail.com>  <1228290722.5667.1.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <1230544005.7091.0.camel@AgentM>

Okay,

I am ready to add me to the project. My username is "kami_".


KAMI


2008. 12. 3, szerda keltez?ssel 08.52-kor Jean-Michel Pour? ezt ?rta:

> On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 20:57 +0100, KAMI wrote:
> > The updated Hungarian translation is attached.
> Dear Kami,
> 
> As usual, if you plan to update your translations from time to time, the
> best would be to register on SourceForge, upload your ssh keys and
> request SVN write access contacting us back or JB. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Michel
> 
> 
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From jm at poure.com  Mon Dec 29 10:07:41 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:07:41 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Droping B-frames in AVCHD
Message-ID: <1230545261.12881.7.camel@debian>

Hello Friends,

I asked questions about h264 hardware decoding on FFmpeg mailing list,
and there is no quick implementation of Nvidia patch. They will probably
wait that the dust settles down. It could last months.

So the best approach to support more AVCHD camcorder may be to drop
B-frames in MLT during preview.

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel




From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Dec 29 13:34:31 2008
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:34:31 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 released
Message-ID: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>

Hello everyone.

I just released Kdenlive 0.7.1. ( http://kdenlive.org/blog ) There were still 
a few pending issues but I have no more time today and won't have time in the 
next days, so I think the best was to release.

I hope to do the next release early in february, and I think I will try to 
focus on usability for that next release (shortcuts + redesign of rendering 
dialog).

Thanks to all of you who contribute to the success of Kdenlive!
Regards and have a happy new year!

Jean-Baptiste






From mads at dydensborg.dk  Mon Dec 29 15:11:13 2008
From: mads at dydensborg.dk (Mads Bondo Dydensborg)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:11:13 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 released
In-Reply-To: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <200812291611.14540.mads@dydensborg.dk>

mandag 29 December 2008 skrev jb:
> Hello everyone.
> 
> I just released Kdenlive 0.7.1. ( http://kdenlive.org/blog ) There were 
still 
> a few pending issues but I have no more time today and won't have time in 
the 
> next days, so I think the best was to release.

Great news and a great job!

> 
> I hope to do the next release early in february, and I think I will try to 
> focus on usability for that next release (shortcuts + redesign of rendering 
> dialog).

I have taken the liberty to move the issues targeted for 0.7.1, for which 
there are no pending commits, to 0.7.2. There is a single issue (496) which 
is targeted for 0.7.1, that has a fix in SVN, but is waiting for confirmation 
from the reporter (jmpoure).

I am tempted to add all the open crash issues to 0.7.2... could the focus be 
both usability and stability? (As an opposite to "new features") There are 8 
acknowledged open crash issues. (Some of these will probably die when 
revisited, but others may crop up from the new/feedback ones).

Regards

Mads

-- 
Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/

Philosopher's syndrome: mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight
into necessity.
      - Daniel Dennett (could also be said of others than philosphers)



From elhoir at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 21:05:38 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:05:38 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 released
In-Reply-To: <200812291611.14540.mads@dydensborg.dk>
References: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
	<200812291611.14540.mads@dydensborg.dk>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812291305h762b3d30kbad280edeca02b53@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to you, devs and testers, to bring us this great software :)
keep up the good work!

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
<mads at dydensborg.dk>wrote:

> mandag 29 December 2008 skrev jb:
> > Hello everyone.
> >
> > I just released Kdenlive 0.7.1. ( http://kdenlive.org/blog ) There were
> still
> > a few pending issues but I have no more time today and won't have time in
> the
> > next days, so I think the best was to release.
>
> Great news and a great job!
>
> >
> > I hope to do the next release early in february, and I think I will try
> to
> > focus on usability for that next release (shortcuts + redesign of
> rendering
> > dialog).
>
> I have taken the liberty to move the issues targeted for 0.7.1, for which
> there are no pending commits, to 0.7.2. There is a single issue (496) which
> is targeted for 0.7.1, that has a fix in SVN, but is waiting for
> confirmation
> from the reporter (jmpoure).
>
> I am tempted to add all the open crash issues to 0.7.2... could the focus
> be
> both usability and stability? (As an opposite to "new features") There are
> 8
> acknowledged open crash issues. (Some of these will probably die when
> revisited, but others may crop up from the new/feedback ones).
>
> Regards
>
> Mads
>
> --
> Mads Bondo Dydensborg   mads at dydensborg.dk   http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/
>
> Philosopher's syndrome: mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight
> into necessity.
>      - Daniel Dennett (could also be said of others than philosphers)
>
>
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From herrej01 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 21:19:03 2008
From: herrej01 at gmail.com (Juan M)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:19:03 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Translation issues
Message-ID: <adffb5140812291319q3baefca8qce94b0823b37ef2e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

while translating kdenlive for the new 0.7.1 release, I've noticed that
there are a lot of different strings with same meaning and use. Just minor
differences (upper-lowercase, punctuation marks, ...). These strings are
mainly causing the application to become, IMHO, "unclean" -different names
in different places for the same option- and also are making harder the
translation work -more strings = more work- [?].

I've commented this fact with JB and agree to have a look at the different
programs to detect these strings and clean them. But before doing that, I'd
like to comment two points to know your oppinion :

- To make this work easy, I'd like to commit a small change in Messages.sh.
This change will include in kdenlive.pot the program & line where each
string is used, so it will be easier to know where to change the strings
when necessary. Change is as follow:

===================================================================
--- Messages.sh    (revisi?n: 2859)
+++ Messages.sh    (copia de trabajo)
@@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
 #! /bin/sh
 EXTRACTRC=`which extractrc`
-XGETTEXT="`which xgettext` --kde -ki18n --no-location -s "
+XGETTEXT="`which xgettext` --kde -ki18n -s "
 podir=`pwd`/po
 kdenlive_subdirs="src src/widgets renderer"
====================================================================

Is it OK to commit this change or does anybody have any concern ?

- What do you think about NOT include pure numbers in the translation
strings ? I mean, for example, do not translate strings such as "4/3",
"720x576", "48000", ... IMHO, it has no sense to translate although there's
any language which do not use arabic characters for them. Does anybody know
if this is the case ???

Thanks for your comments.

Best regards and happy new year for everybody.
JM
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From elhoir at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 23:03:04 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:03:04 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive in Windows using "kde for windows"?
Message-ID: <42f232c80812291503m5db8d062i5824f517481e8d6b@mail.gmail.com>

i installed a while ago the KDE 4 (4.1.2) package for Windows...

i was wondering if if would be possible in a near future to have kdenlive
running on it 3:>
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From dan at dennedy.org  Tue Dec 30 00:23:47 2008
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:23:47 -0800
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 released
In-Reply-To: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <27dd34e60812291623w4f235c40lcaa5d3ec7d1c3ee3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:34 AM, jb <jb at kdenlive.org> wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I just released Kdenlive 0.7.1. ( http://kdenlive.org/blog ) There were still
> a few pending issues but I have no more time today and won't have time in the
> next days, so I think the best was to release.

I just released MLT 0.3.4 to coincide with this release.

-- 
+-DRD-+



From marcozambi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 07:38:04 2008
From: marcozambi at gmail.com (Marco Zambianchi)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:38:04 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Thanks guys!
Message-ID: <c8c72b140812292338m2c62e1f7q5ec1604296dd21fb@mail.gmail.com>

Just to say THANK YOU ALL developers and collaborators for KDEnlive!
Look forward to be useful again for 7.2 release  next year ;)

-- 
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ForumAstronautico.it - Admin * ISAA Association - Founder
AstronautiCAST - Host * Gruppo Astrofili DEEP SPACE - Fellow



From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec 30 08:51:44 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:51:44 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Translation issues
In-Reply-To: <adffb5140812291319q3baefca8qce94b0823b37ef2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adffb5140812291319q3baefca8qce94b0823b37ef2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1230627104.5574.1.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 22:19 +0100, Juan M wrote:
> Is it OK to commit this change or does anybody have any concern ?
> - What do you think about NOT include pure numbers in the translation
> strings ? I mean, for example, do not translate strings such as "4/3",
> "720x576", "48000", ... IMHO, it has no sense to translate although
> there's any language which do not use arabic characters for them. Does
> anybody know if this is the case ???

These are excellent proposals. Go ahead and commit. 
Kind regards, Jean-Michel




From jm at poure.com  Tue Dec 30 08:52:23 2008
From: jm at poure.com (Jean-Michel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pour=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:52:23 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive 0.7.1 released
In-Reply-To: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
References: <200812291434.32066.jb@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <1230627143.5574.3.camel@debian>

On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 14:34 +0100, jb wrote:
> Thanks to all of you who contribute to the success of Kdenlive!
> Regards and have a happy new year!

Thank you for this release and happy new year Kdenlive team.
Jean-Michel




From ciampix at libero.it  Tue Dec 30 11:43:37 2008
From: ciampix at libero.it (Marco Ciampa)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:43:37 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] spam headers really annoying...
In-Reply-To: <adffb5140812291319q3baefca8qce94b0823b37ef2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adffb5140812291319q3baefca8qce94b0823b37ef2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081230114336.GA21284@ciampix.net>

Is it possible to set this anti spam software in a less verbose mode?

This I found in a header...just 1 header!

X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software,
        running on the system "g2vjzd1.ch3.sourceforge.com", has
        identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original
        message
        has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or
        label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
        the administrator of that system for details.
        Content preview:  Hi all,
        while translating kdenlive for the new 0.7.1 release,
        I've noticed that there are a lot of different strings with same
        meaning
        and use. Just minor differences (upper-lowercase, punctuation marks,
        ...).
        These strings are mainly causing the application to become, IMHO,
        "unclean"
        -different names in different places for the same option- and also
        are
        making
        harder the translation work -more strings = more work- [?]. [...]
        Content analysis details:   (-0.4 points, 5.0 required)
        pts rule name              description
        ---- ----------------------
        --------------------------------------------------
        -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
        sender-domain
        -0.0 SPF_PASS               SPF: sender matches SPF record
        -0.0 DKIM_VERIFIED Domain Keys Identified Mail: signature passes
        verification
        0.0 DKIM_SIGNED Domain Keys Identified Mail: message has a signature
        2.2 HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24 BODY: HTML: images with 2000-2400 bytes of
        words
        0.0 HTML_MESSAGE           BODY: HTML included in message
        -1.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

that was, btw, twofold the message size...

-- 

Marco Ciampa

+--------------------+
| Linux User  #78271 |
| FSFE fellow   #364 |
+--------------------+



From opensourcecat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 13:45:27 2008
From: opensourcecat at gmail.com (Salvatore Brigaglia)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:45:27 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive in Windows using "kde for windows"?
In-Reply-To: <42f232c80812291503m5db8d062i5824f517481e8d6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42f232c80812291503m5db8d062i5824f517481e8d6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812311445.27261.tore@studiobrigaglia.com>

On marted? 30 dicembre 2008 00:03:04 Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo wrote:
> i installed a while ago the KDE 4 (4.1.2) package for Windows...
>
> i was wondering if if would be possible in a near future to have kdenlive
> running on it 3:>

Kdenlives needs a lot of dependencies i do not think are all available for 
windows. For example FFmpeg can run on windows, but not MLT which is a 
requirement for Kdenlive.

For kdenlive itself it should compile and run on windows as an interface only 
not being able to even load a single file!



From elhoir at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 22:36:30 2008
From: elhoir at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Agust=ECn_Fern=E0ndez_Arroyo?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:36:30 +0100
Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive in Windows using "kde for windows"?
In-Reply-To: <200812311445.27261.tore@studiobrigaglia.com>
References: <42f232c80812291503m5db8d062i5824f517481e8d6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812311445.27261.tore@studiobrigaglia.com>
Message-ID: <42f232c80812311436qc05310ar3f4bc88a4e3cf76f@mail.gmail.com>

true. I missed that. Sorry

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Salvatore Brigaglia <
opensourcecat at gmail.com> wrote:

> On marted? 30 dicembre 2008 00:03:04 Javier Agust?n Fern?ndez Arroyo wrote:
> > i installed a while ago the KDE 4 (4.1.2) package for Windows...
> >
> > i was wondering if if would be possible in a near future to have kdenlive
> > running on it 3:>
>
> Kdenlives needs a lot of dependencies i do not think are all available for
> windows. For example FFmpeg can run on windows, but not MLT which is a
> requirement for Kdenlive.
>
> For kdenlive itself it should compile and run on windows as an interface
> only
> not being able to even load a single file!
>
>
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