how to show menus as menus in the application laucher of the panel?

Andy B anditosan1000 at
Sun Feb 27 19:27:54 GMT 2022

On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:34 AM hw <hw at> wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-02-27 at 08:24 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> > hw posted on Sun, 27 Feb 2022 02:22:54 +0100 as excerpted:
> >
> > > how do you make it so that menus in the starter of the panel show as
> > > menus as they used to?  I thought the menu definitions must have become
> > > messed up but kmenuedit still shows them as menus as they are supposed
> > > to show.  I added my own menus and submenus, and of course I want them
> > > to show as menus and submenus and not everything in a chaotic list.
> > > Somehow the panel/starter must have been made worse.
> >
> > Easiest:  Context (aka right) click on the kickoff button and select "show
> > alternatives".  Select "Application Menu".  (This of course assumes your
> > distro has it installed.)
> Right click doesn't work with wayland.
> > Alternative: Add widgets (there's several ways to get to that, including
> > the desktop context menu), set the category to application launchers, make
> > your selection and drag it to a panel or desktop as desired.
> You mean the root window ("background" since wayland apparently doesn't have
> a root window anymore)?  The background is covered with windows, so that menu
> is not accessible.  And I don't understand what you mean by "desktop".  A
> GUI is no more than a way to display programs in such a way that they can be
> had on the same display with convenient ways to switch between them.  A
> "background" basically doesn't exist, and there is no "desktop".  I don't
> understand what "desktop environment" is supposed to be, either, there is
> no such thing.
> Remember when we switched between consoles with Alt+Fx keys.  A GUI is no
> more than that, only more convenient for switching and with more possibilites
> for displaying graphics.  And the key bindings in emacs work better in GUI
> frames.
> > Third party alternative:  Choose and configure your own third-party
> > launcher.
> Like which one?
> > [...]
> > After trying a few different things including a heavily bash-scripted
> > solution of my own, I ended up using pdmenu as my base,
> > [...]
> Hm, pdmenu isn't in Fedora.  Maybe mc might work?  Maybe I need to go back
> to fvwm --- but then I'd be stuck with X11.

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Thank you,


Andy (anditosan)

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