pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 3 10:28:04 BST 2018
And you think that justifies 20 to 50 open browser tabs dream on not a
You can say absolutely nothing at all that will EVER change that .
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 07:12 Draciron Smith, <draciron at gmail.com> wrote:
> One thing I find amusing is when other people make statements without
> asking and thus looking rather foolish. I have rather diverse interests,
> memberships and activities. If I had to take a Microsoft single task open
> and close every app as I used them I'd lose a couple hours a day of
> productivity. The tabs I have open allow me to sit down and immediately go
> to work on a given task as necessary. They are important references, email,
> what I am working on at a given moment and I leave it open rather than
> bookmark something I only need once or trying to find those pages in my
> history and get back to the section I was reading or using for reference. I
> might have a couple related scientific articles open for example that stay
> open for several days as I follow up on my research on the topic. Once I've
> consumed the knowledge to the point necessary I close down the related tabs
> saving those to PDF as necessary that I will want later.
> Other tabs are things like netflix, where I might be in the middle of
> viewing something or just have it open so if I want to watch a movie 3
> seconds later I'm watching a movie. I keep multiple machines running
> multiple tabs and can accomplish more in an hour that most people
> accomplish in a day because I don't spend most of my time repeating useless
> tasks such as getting back to where I was at one point or another. I have a
> very large amount of expert memory that allows me to keep track of states
> in various endeavors very similar to a chess player keeping track of the
> state of a board while playing multiple chess boards. Speaking of which one
> app I might be keeping open is a chess game I'm playing while I wait for my
> opponent to move. I can click on the board, make my move, fire it off and
> get back to whatever else I'm doing in seconds. I can grab my guitar and
> go strait to recording a project I am working on, editing a song I just
> recorded or if I'm learning a cover to jam with somebody I can in seconds
> be right back to the tabs, a video of how to play the song and the song's
> video which I can switch back and forth as needed. Then do something else
> and come back a couple days later to refresh my memory until I've got the
> song down pat. Then I may jump over to an article or book or script I'm
> writing, throw it in a grammar checking website I leave open all the time,
> drop it back in my editor, jump over to the next thing I'm writing or go
> look at my Fantasy baseball teams or read email or hit social media. I
> might write a quick Python script and have 3 or 4 tabs open with references
> related to what I'm doing and close those tabs as I no longer need them
> rather than trying to remember what page out of the 20 I looked at had the
> best example or information. Then opening that page up in a tab, then
> scrolling down to the section I was interested in assuming I even
> remembered where it was. That's just some of the MANY examples of the
> things I do.
> Linux allows me to do that. Not just do that, but to do it on systems that
> could barely run windoze at all much less overload the system the way I do.
> My problem is Akondi which cripples Linux and turns it into a Windoze like
> single tasker. If I wanted that I'd just leave windoze on the machine and
> do things SLOOOWWWWWLLLY one thing at a time spending half my day opening
> things back up, waiting for the states to get refreshed, then scrolling or
> otherwise. I'm way too ADD, I'll be doing something else having gotten
> bored by the time I get done opening the app, finding the page, waiting for
> it to load, then scrolling down. My inspiration might be gone, I may have
> an urgent IM come in, a lot of reasons why I don't want to spend a minute
> doing something that should take 3 seconds.
> I get reid of Akondi and my system becomes usable. Simple as that. Not
> everyone, in fact most people wouldn't be comfortable using a computer like
> I do. That does not give me the right to feel superior and to make
> sarcastic remarks about people who do not use a computer the way I do. Nor
> is such behavior mature, or helpful.
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 3:58 AM Pete Nikolic <pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> One thing that I always find amusing is when people start whingeing about
>> performance then you see a statement like I use chrome with 20 to 50 tabs
>> open what justification have you got for WAISTING so many resources on
>> browser tabs I find it laughable I have not had ONE person come back with
>> a valid excuse for such waste yet maybe you will do better I doubt it thou .
>> Pete .
>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2018, 03:53 Draciron Smith, <draciron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> My normal desktop is Chrome with 20-50 tabs open, on this machine it's
>>> KDE 4 so I had to switch to Open Office as Office Libre was super unstable.
>>> I often have 7 to 10 documents open at same time as those Chrome tabs,
>>> plus a Kate session with 3-10 docs in the Kate session plus misc apps such
>>> as Dolphin, Krusader, Kconvert, Audacity, perhaps a few FF tabs and so on.
>>> I do that on 4 gigs of ram and have for years.
>>> On the first machine machine I put KDE 5 on, it only has 2 gigs of ram
>>> and 2 gig swap partition. It's sort of reflex for me to create swap
>>> partition same size as ram. In hindsight I probably should have gone with a
>>> 4 gig swap partition. With Akondi running it will even if I'm doing nothing
>>> on that machine I will hear it start churning several hours after I boot
>>> it. If I start putting a load on it then it craters rather quickly.
>>> That's the thing. I am not using ANY Akondi agents. I use webmail
>>> clients for email, my phone is my contact manager, I never use Knotes or
>>> any other Akondi enabled apps.
>>> Since I disabled Akondi I have no problem having several Office Libre
>>> documents open at the same time as a dozen Chrome or FF tabs including
>>> several that use Flash, as well as 2 to 5 PDF files open, Clemintine,
>>> perhaps a Krusader or a few Dolphin windows and a Konsole session. I always
>>> have a Konsole window open. First thing I do when I reboot. Since disabling
>>> Akondi the only time I reboot is normal Kernel update reboots. Prior that I
>>> might get a day or two before having to reboot, usually a cold boot using
>>> the power button because it's churning so bad I can't even get to a console
>>> window or SSH in to bring the machine down gracefully.
>>> On this machine SSh server is running and I took down some stuff like
>>> Samba and MySQL and I had Barrios installed but it was too heavy on
>>> resources for my liking on this machine so I removed it. My original intent
>>> with this machine was to essentially a jukebox and once I'm done figuring
>>> out if I can continue using KDE or am going to be forced to switched to
>>> XFCE I will be building a few newer machines and this will go back to
>>> being primarily a jukebox. My old Mac died however and I had to offload
>>> what I normally do on the Mac to this 2 gig machine and with Akondi
>>> disabled it's a little slow despite being a 7 year old Emachine that was
>>> low end even 7 years ago, but gets the job done. I had 1.5 gigs of Ram
>>> consumed before I opened ANYTHING with Akondi running. It essentially
>>> turned a 2 gig machine into a half gig machine.
>>> I'll agree with you on FF being more memory intensive. In fact is has a
>>> rather large memory leak somewhere, especially when dealing with Flash
>>> websites. Which is the primary reason I switched to Chrome as primary
>>> browser about 5 years ago. I still use FF for plugins that Chrome doesn't
>>> have such as downloading videos, for secondary email accounts, things like
>>> that. I don't usually leave it continuously running like I do Chrome which
>>> stays up from about 10 seconds after I reboot until I reboot again or after
>>> 2 or 3 months I might kill it and restart it to recover memory lost to
>>> memory leaks if a kernel update hasn't forced me to reboot in a few
>>> months. All my machines run 24/7.
>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:56 AM René J.V. Bertin <rjvbertin at gmail.com>
>>>> On Saturday September 01 2018 10:34:02 Draciron Smith wrote:
>>>> > The difference is night and day for me. I'll get an app open, maybe a
>>>> > music player, maybe a web browser. Open a 2nd app and the machine
>>>> > churning. If I don't head strait for a konsole window and kill Akondi
>>>> > processes I will wind up mashing the power button as it locks up so
>>>> hard I
>>>> Something is definitely wrong there. What Akonadi agents are or were
>>>> you using that blocked the machine to such an extent? It doesn't make sense
>>>> that they would consume more resources than FF or Chrome running a
>>>> full-blown session (FF is worse in terms of RAM usage than Chrome these
>>>> I'm tempted to ask if you have a sufficiently large swap partition but
>>>> you must because otherwise I don't see how one could run FF/Chrome plus
>>>> LibreOffice with a bunch of documents open.
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