Yet another failed KDE release?

Kevin Chadwick ma1l1ists at
Sun Mar 24 18:57:17 GMT 2013

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:16:34 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.duncan at> wrote:

> Of course they'll with a near-certainty still continue to work on
> xorg for a few years anyway, but once the general desktop moves to
> wayland, the X dependency gets moved to the "might not be installed
> for anything else" list, and suddenly the additional deps cost of
> running that old app go ***WAY*** up, which means fewer people run
> them, which means a bigger likelihood of an accumulation of serious
> bugs over time.
> That's the wayland upset of the status quo I'm a bit worried about.

OpenBSD is getting KMS drivers just now (except GPL'd drm drivers) so
wayland should be possible for OpenBSD atleast on a fair chunk of
hardware, as it is apparently very compatible with Linux, however the
input side is going to be a big issue and so Ubuntu choosing Mir to
give it control of the input for mobile without having to discuss
changes may with a bit of luck create a healthier design and actually be
beneficial for all the BSD's too. Perhaps it will lead to a more more
modular nature (Do one thing and do it well, not simple to apply to X
but still stands).

I've read a little and don't know much about Wayland but see some of
the benefits, but I do know that I am happy with X and time will show
the drawbacks. Therefore personally as a user, I'd like to see OpenBSD's
priviledge seperation patches merged into Linux X11 more than wayland
especially as I am skeptical of it being implemented well considering
freedekstop.orgs history such as disregard for other opinions and
anything non linux and even removing features 99% of users use in
udisks for features 1% of users use(enterprises/RedHat users).

Don't get me wrong I welcome the benefits of wayland which has been in
development for so long and so hope that will mean it will be good for
the whole eco system but I worry about recent stories of Gnome and KDE
rushing towards it due to Mir. That seems illogical. To me it
indicates that Wayland may be more encompassing than it should be and I
really hope it doesn't turn into a systemd that so many have wasted
time on.
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