kde4 browser roadmap

[ishak dervisevic]

 yu loser
> To: kde at mail.kde.org
> From: 1i5t5.duncan at cox.net
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:39:30 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kde] kde4 browser roadmap
> 
> Aljosa Mohorovic posted on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:30:10 +0200 as excerpted:
> 
> > kde4 is now approaching stability of kde3 so i guess it's the right time
> > to ask about kde4 browser roadmap. i'm sure that not everybody will
> > agree but konqueror is not a modern browser although it has excellent
> > integration with kde.
> > 
> > i personally believe that browsers are today as important as koffice,
> > pim or any other part of kde.
> > from my point of view there are 2 options: 1. push konqueror development
> > to catch up with firefox, chrome and safari 2. chose firefox or chrome
> > and work only on integration with kde
> > 
> > when i say catch up with other browsers i mean: - active development to
> > support html5 - extensions - browser release cycle independent, similar
> > to firefox
> > 
> > what do you think?
> 
> Umm... you know that the webkit that both chrome and safari use as their 
> rendering engine, as well as now qt4 itself, is a fork from kde's own 
> khtml, right?
> 
> Actually, particularly now that qt4 is including webkit as well, there 
> has been serious debate about switching to qt4's native webkit based html 
> rendering. Plasma is actually using qt4's webkit engine already, and 
> konqueror will probably follow at some point, but it's not going to be 
> right away. I'd guess kde 4.6 to 4.8, so 16 to 30 months out, and almost 
> certainly requiring at least qt 4.5 if not 4.6 or 4.7 by then.
> 
> Beyond that, really, the only way to even have a hope of catching firefox 
> in terms of extension support, etc, would be if all the webkit based 
> browser folks, safari, chrome, qt, konqueror, band together and agree on 
> a common extension format. That's really the only way to get a user base 
> anywhere close to large enough to develop the active extension community 
> firefox already has. Well, unless they decided to get compatible with 
> firefox's chrome (the XML based UI language not the browser) based UI.
> 
> As is likely evident by now, I've done some thinking on this myself, in 
> addition to following planetkde, etc. I like konqueror's integration, 
> but am slowly coming to find the functionality of firefox's extensions 
> irreplaceable, thus, find myself gradually switching more and more to 
> firefox over time. In my case, it's the noscript and viewscript 
> extensions, which make keeping scripting off by default **MUCH** easier 
> than konqueror makes it, since about the only way to find the scripts and 
> where they are coming from on konqueror is to view-source the page. With 
> noscript and viewscript, it's simply a matter of a couple clicks to see 
> where the scripts are coming from, and then activating the ones one 
> wishes, without having to resort to globally allowing javascript in 
> ordered to un-break the page. I also use DownloadHelper for Youtube, 
> since I don't have a flash plugin installed, and that lets me download 
> the videos for watching using smplayer (for kde4) or kaffeine (for 
> kde3). However, others will have their own favorite extensions they find 
> they can't live without, and it's simply not even remotely realistic to 
> expect the devs to come up with all that variety of features on their 
> own, without a wide variety of users contributing as well, and that 
> requires a user base of critical mass before it even begins to take off. 
> KDE by itself simply isn't there yet, and won't be for the foreseeable 
> future, thus my conclusion that the only way to accomplish it would be to 
> either get compatible with firefox's extensions thereby eliminating the 
> problem, or agree with all the other webkit users on a common webkit 
> extension format supported by all of them.
> 
> -- 
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