language choice

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 19:13:20 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa 
central), Paul Brown va escriure:
> On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 18:31:58 Central European Summer Time Albert Astals
> Cid wrote:
> > El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 17:55:02 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa
> > 
> > central), Paul Brown va escriure:
> > > On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 17:43:26 Central European Summer Time Albert
> > > Astals>
> > > 
> > > Cid wrote:
> > > > El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 13:26:21 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa
> > > > 
> > > > central), Paul Brown va escriure:
> > > > > On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 12:24:54 Central European Summer Time a a
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > You may wish to note that proposing the Valencian dialect of
> > > > > > Catalan
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > helpful in carbon emissions terms as it is virtually identical to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Barcelona Catalan which I imagine "Catalan" refers to. 100% of its
> > > > > > speakers
> > > > > > are fluent in both dialects. As yet there is no version proposed
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > Yorkshire dialect or Australian English! I suspect there is some
> > > > > > Spanish
> > > > > > political aim here in proposing Valencian which has NEVER been a
> > > > > > language
> > > > > > whereas CATALAN IS!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Wow! You definitely got some hate agenda going on there. As a
> > > > > half-Valencian (the good half), I find your email highly offensive.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You are also way off:
> > > > > https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_valenciano
> > > > 
> > > > I specially don't disagree with you, but, for what is worth, using the
> > > > Spanish wikipedia for anything related to Catalan is just worthless,
> > > > their
> > > > anti- catalanism shines in every corner.
> > > 
> > > Huh. This reference good enough for you?
> > > 
> > > https://dogv.gva.es/datos/2006/04/11/pdf/2006_4177.pdf
> > > 
> > > Page 2 paragraph 2. Or maybe it is not a legitimate enough document for
> > > you
> > > either.
> > 
> > What part of "I don't disagree with you" did not understand?
> 
> You were trying to undermine the source, thus underhandedly discrediting the
> argument, while trying to conserve a façade of impartiality.

That is your interpretation of what i said, and it is a wrong interpretation.

Let me repeat it in case it was not clear.

Catalan and Valencian are different names for the same language. Hence yes, 
Valencian is a language.

Spanish Wikipedia is not partial regarding Catalan issues.

> 
> > > > > But, if it is practicalities and the lack of efficiency you are
> > > > > worried
> > > > > about, I guess we could argue that 100% of speakers from Catalunya
> > > > > are
> > > > > also
> > > > > probably fluent in Castilian Spanish so let's get rid of the Catalán
> > > > > translations too, right? But why stop there? Galician and Euskera
> > > > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > go as well, as long as we are on that roll.
> > > > 
> > > > You know that there are hundreds of thousands of people that
> > > > understand
> > > > Catalan and don't understand Spanish, right?
> > > 
> > > You do realise I am just applying OP's bullshit logic, right?
> > 
> > Yes, and you failed.
> > 
> > OP logic is that since everyone that understands Catalan understands
> > Valencian we should not have Valencian translations.
> 
> Don't try and confuse the issue: They were arguing that Valencian should be
> erased in favour of Catalan. The next step, I argued, would be to erase
> Catalán in favour of Castilian Spanish, because, why not, If we are on that
> roll?

I am really sad that you can't seem how understand how your logic is flawed.

It's like you suggesting we would erase Catalan in favour of German.

> Either way, you seem to have a clear opinion in this debate, as you have
> chosen to try and discredit one side of the argument instead of those of the
> offender.

I don't need to discredit the offender, they are wrong and a troll, why would 
I need to pile on their own wrongness?

> Maybe we should open this up to the whole community and check what we all
> honestly think about removing Valencian from the list. I would be curious to
> discover what your stance on that would be.

Will you please stop misinterpreting me?

You want to know my stance? You already know my stance since i have said it in 
my previous email, let me quote myself "there is no reason to not have 
translations to both."

In case that is to criptic for you let me spell it with full words; I think we 
should have translations to "Català (Valencià)" as we currently do.

Best Regards,
  Albert