kopete website

Thu Oct 23 00:47:56 UTC 2014

Pali,

Do we want the emoticons.docbook in kopete source git repo maybe? If
so would you add it there and see if it generates into html ok etc.?

thanks,
Jeremy

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Pali Rohár <pali.rohar at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 23 October 2014 00:17:11 Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>> Pali,
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Pali Rohár
> <pali.rohar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 22 October 2014 23:44:41 Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>> >> Pali,
>> >>
>> >> Here's my plan,
>> >>
>> >> 1. I'll coordinate with ben about placing the sound files,
>> >> and these two kopetemessage.xsd and oscarversions.xml on
>> >> either files.kde.org or download.kde.org.
>> >> 2. Then I'll ask sysadmin to make apache rewrites from the
>> >> old urls to the new ones.
>> >> 3. Then I'll add the faqs from the website to the .docbook
>> >> faq section in kopete's sources.
>> >> 4. Then ask sysadmin to make kopete.kde.org an apache
>> >> rewrite to the userbase page.
>> >> 5. Then finally remove kopete content from svn.
>> >>
>> >> Sound like a good plan? Did I miss any steps?
>> >
>> > Sounds good. Then please document somewhere how to update
>> > oscarversions.xml file in future.
>> >
>> > Anyway in svn is another stuff and I have no idea if is
>> > somewhere else...
>> >
>> > * chatwindowstyleguide
>>
>> I think this is here
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/kopete/chatwindowsty
>> leguide.html no ?
>>
>> > * emoticons docbook
>>
>> I don't see that on the website, where are you seeing that?
>>
>> > * jabber extensions in protocols
>>
>> Is this
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/kopete/jabber-plugi
>> ns.html what you mean?
>>
>
> All folders are in svn:
> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/kopete/
>
>> >> BR,
>> >> Jeremy
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Ben Cooksley
>> >
>> > <bcooksley at kde.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Pali Rohár
>> >
>> > <pali.rohar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Hello,
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Pali,
>> >
>> > Hello, why I did not received this email??
>>
>> I guess Ben forgot to cc you on that one.
>>
>
> Ah, ok. I'm not in kde-www list, so CC me.
>
>> >> >> first one important thing:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> kopete icq/aim protocol is downloading this file at
>> >> >> kopete startup: http://kopete.kde.org/oscarversions.xml
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That file contains version information needed for icq
>> >> >> client to successfully authenticate with icq server. All
>> >> >> these data are also in icq source code. But in past
>> >> >> those data was changed and downloading data from
>> >> >> kopete.kde.org cause that older kopete versions was
>> >> >> able to connect again. Data from website override
>> >> >> hardcoded data in kopete source code.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And I updated data from website to icq source code only
>> >> >> for v4.14 release. So if you cut down that url all
>> >> >> kopete versions before v4.14 stop working.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So after updating kopete.kde.org website, please make
>> >> >> sure that above url will still work and please write me
>> >> >> how to change that file in future (so when something
>> >> >> will be broken I can update it).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> File is downloaded with KIO::get(url) so if you are
>> >> >> going to do some magic (redirect/etc) please make sure
>> >> >> that it will not be broken.
>> >> >
>> >> > KIO is intelligent enough to handle redirects - we
>> >> > enabled mandatory SSL for kopete.kde.org a while back,
>> >> > and based on your commentary here the file is still
>> >> > being retrieved without problems.
>> >
>> > Ok. Test case for Kopete is:
>> >
>> > 1) install older version of Kopete (e.g. 4.13)
>> > 2) clean user ~/.kde directory (so kopete config file with
>> > cached info from oscarversions.xml will not be available)
>> > 3) try to login into ICQ and AIM account
>>
>> Ok, once the redirects are in place I'll e-mail you and you
>> can test. I don't have any icq or aim accounts myself.
>>
>
> Ok. I can test ICQ account.
>
>> >> >> In kopete source code I see reference to another file:
>> >> >> http://kopete.kde.org/files/kopetemessage.xsd
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I do not have idea how that file is used.
>> >> >
>> >> > Likely used to validate the format of the XML data which
>> >> > Kopete uses at some point. Perhaps this is how it stores
>> >> > conversations on disk?
>> >
>> > "This is the XSD schema of a Kopete message in XML form.
>> > This is both the format that the XSL stylesheets will
>> > expect, as well as the format that results from saving the
>> > chatwindow contents."
>> >
>> > "This is *not* the same as the format of the history
>> > plugin."
>> >
>> >> >> Next, I did nothing with docbook. Basically I do not
>> >> >> have time for updating all those user guide books, etc
>> >> >> and also I'm not very interesting in writing such text.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Ben
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wednesday 15 October 2014 00:09:13 Jeremy Whiting
> wrote:
>> >> >>> Pali,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Have you ever done anything with the kopete docbook ?
>> >> >>> If so would you mind adding the faqs from
>> >> >>> https://kopete.kde.org/faq.php to it? I've added links
>> >> >>> to the userbase page pointing to the docbook copy of
>> >> >>> the pipes and chat style guides on
>> >> >>> https://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdenetwork/kopete/c
>> >> >>> hat wind owstyleguide.html so those should be taken
>> >> >>> care of. I also added a link to KDETalk below those on
>> >> >>> userbase. I'll ask about where to put the sound files
>> >> >>> for the pronunciation of kopete in english and spanish
>> >> >>> from the kopete.kde.org site.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> thanks,
>> >> >>> Jeremy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Jeremy Whiting
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <jpwhiting at kde.org> wrote:
>> >> >>> > Exactly.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Pali Rohár
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <pali.rohar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> Sounds good. Also editing userbase wiki page should
>> >> >>> >> be simpler then editing something in svn...
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Tuesday 14 October 2014 23:31:56 Jeremy Whiting
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> Pali,
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> Thanks for the information on what's useful in the
>> >> >>> >>> existing site. I can do like we did for
>> >> >>> >>> dolphin.kde.org. I'll first move the important
>> >> >>> >>> content from those three pages you pointed out into
>> >> >>> >>> userbase, then ask kopete.kde.org to be a rewrite
>> >> >>> >>> to userbase kopete page. then remove this old
>> >> >>> >>> content from svn completely. Does that sound like
>> >> >>> >>> a good idea? I especially like the idea of
>> >> >>> >>> userbase because the content can be easily
>> >> >>> >>> translated by end-user's into their own language.
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> BR,
>> >> >>> >>> Jeremy
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Pali Rohár
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> <pali.rohar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> > On Tuesday 14 October 2014 23:07:04 you wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> >> Pali,
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> Long time no see. How's it going? I see you've
>> >> >>> >>> >> been fixing bugs and such in kopete lately and
>> >> >>> >>> >> thought I'd shoot you an e-mail. I've been
>> >> >>> >>> >> cleaning up svn websites folder migrating sites
>> >> >>> >>> >> to git repos and such and kopete is one of the
>> >> >>> >>> >> remaining few sites there.
>> >> >>> >>> >> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/ and it's
>> >> >>> >>> >> also terribly out of date. I wondered which of
>> >> >>> >>> >> these options you'd prefer:
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> 1. Close kopete.kde.org completely (user's can
>> >> >>> >>> >> still find information about it from the
>> >> >>> >>> >> userbase and www.kde.org application pages) 2.
>> >> >>> >>> >> Keep kopete.kde.org and redirect it to the
>> >> >>> >>> >> kopete userbase page or www.kde.org kopete
>> >> >>> >>> >> application page.
>> >> >>> >>> >> 3. Migrate kopete web content to git and update
>> >> >>> >>> >> it to reflect kopete current status etc.
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> I can help with any of these but wanted to ask
>> >> >>> >>> >> which you prefer. I wont be updating the site
>> >> >>> >>> >> content itself in anyway, you can do that or
>> >> >>> >>> >> find someone else to do it, but I can do the
>> >> >>> >>> >> migration. Let me know what you think.
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> BR,
>> >> >>> >>> >> Jeremy
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > Hello,
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > I have never touched kopete website because I did
>> >> >>> >>> > not know how and also I did not have time for it.
>> >> >>> >>> > Even I did not know what website is in svn...
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > In last years I fixed lot of bugs in kopete and
>> >> >>> >>> > implemented some new options. You can see in
>> >> >>> >>> > kopete git that I regularly pushing changes. But
>> >> >>> >>> > I really do not have time for maintaining web
>> >> >>> >>> > site or something similar.
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > So I think the best would be to keep
>> >> >>> >>> > kopete.kde.org DNS record and redirect webpage
>> >> >>> >>> > to userbase.
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > I think there are 3 important things on
>> >> >>> >>> > kopete.kde.org webpage:
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > 1) Pipes Plugin guide:
>> >> >>> >>> > https://kopete.kde.org/pipesimplementationguide/i
>> >> >>> >>> > nde x.ht ml
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > 2) Chat window style guide:
>> >> >>> >>> > https://kopete.kde.org/chatwindowstyleguide/index
>> >> >>> >>> > .ht ml
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > 3) Info about existence of KDE XMPP server:
>> >> >>> >>> > https://kdetalk.net/
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > I do not know if these two guides are somewhere
>> >> >>> >>> > else so this could be backup (or link from
>> >> >>> >>> > userbase?).
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > --
>> >> >>> >>> > Pali Rohár
>> >> >>> >>> > pali.rohar at gmail.com
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> --
>> >> >>> >> Pali Rohár
>> >> >>> >> pali.rohar at gmail.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Pali Rohár
>> >> >> pali.rohar at gmail.com
>> >> >>
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>> > Pali Rohár
>> > pali.rohar at gmail.com
>>
>> BR,
>> Jeremy
>
> --
> Pali Rohár
> pali.rohar at gmail.com