[www.kde.org] [Bug 317553] www.kde.org webpages should not set font-size of unstyled body text and should comply with 100% Easy-2-Read Std
mrmazda at earthlink.net
Sun Mar 31 03:07:27 UTC 2013
--- Comment #15 from Felix Miata <mrmazda at earthlink.net> ---
(In reply to comment #14)
> I have no clue why you are still arguing against a closed bug.
Obviously. It's only closed because someone raced to close it mere hours after
it was created, with no material opportunity for the community to consider it.
> means I will not fix it. Unless you come up with a sane patch that doesn't
> introduce more work or destroys the entire layout. This is no mailinglist,
> this is a bugtracker.
Exactly. Like most of the web, the KDE site is badly designed, which
constitutes no less than one bug whether anyone plans to do anything about it
or not. In essence, you've announced a policy to conform to the overwhelmingly
widespread bad design of the web rather than being a leader interested in
maximizing the KDE's and the web's value to the widest number of people.
> > Most people who complain about too big fonts haven't personalized their
> > personal computing environment to match their own needs or preferences.
> That doesn't really matter and is actually debunks your own argument, that
On the contrary. Those who haven't most likely don't need to. Those unhappy
with it do need to....
> users shouldn't adapt a website, but the website their environment. If a
> user didn't set his/her environment, so be it. Actually, that is the
> majority of web users
Where is this "fact" documented? Those that haven't can be considered a major
portion if not the vast majority of those who don't need to, a complement to
those who designed the default environments they use.
>and that is what you shouldn't forget in your design
I particularly remember the golden rule, which equates to respect for the
people who are a site's visitors. You fail to understand virtually everyone can
be happy when designers respect by sizing only contextually while keeping the
base size exactly as the visitor has configured. This respect means minorities
can enjoy comfortably just as much as the majority.
> > There's no good reason for that to happen. That ever happens as a
> > consequence of px sizing instead of relative sizing of the sidebar.
> > Competent relative sizing means sidebars are a width fixed in relation to
> > their content instead, such as shown by this simple example page:
> > http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/
> There is also no good reason to keep fixed elements on very narrow
> viewports, which you have done in your example. The menu stays in place and
> the main text actually becomes what i described above.
That's expected of those who choose a huge text size to viewport width ratio.
Anyone who cares to accommodate that edge case can do so with script, which is
outside the scope of so simple an example whose purpose is only to show how
relative sizing works in a readily discoverable fashion.
> KDE sites are supposed to look good for the majority of our users, and of
Looks are useless without works.
> course should be accessible as much as possible. But all of that is based on
> compromises, in any regard.
Fewer compromises are necessary when styling is minimized and sizing is
> You can't waste space with margins or paddings,
> you can't waste space with too big fonts (we have a lot of nerds around, who
> prefer a lot of text in less space, but still, i won't make it too small),
What you call wasting space generally equates to trying to cram too much into
> So, in short, this is no mailinglist, i can't fix what you intend, as it is
> a too narrow use case and too far from the mediocrity, and i don't have the
> manpower as well.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the web can be and do. CSS is
mostly limiting its power. Less CSS is mostly less limiting, allowing it to be
friendlier and more useful, not to mention accessible. A dominating text size
equal to the browser default can rarely be too big except to those unable or
unwilling to adapt their tools to their own needs. All that's necessary is for
site designers to understand and follow a relative sizing scheme based on 100%
respect. That means never sizing text or containers using px or pt, and never
setting a base text size that doesn't equal 100% of the user's browser default.
All users win. Usability wins. Accessibility wins. And eventually, the stylists
win too, after they understand how much easier their job is when keeping CSS
reduced to a functional minimum.
And still no KDE representative has commented on either attachment.
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