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Sun Oct 10 01:44:35 CEST 2010
,
it should be easy, but even betwen xp, vista and 7 exists some factors that
make it dificult (eg. permissions) Emerge is a great tool and aims to
achieve
to make more easy the life *for developers*, but I think is time to improve
the windows user experience too.
The windows installer paradigm is confusing users and even some get scary o=
f
using it, however the paradigm in self isn't bad, is just matters of enhanc=
e
communication of what is aviable in each release and what is not. Also, som=
e
improvements in the UI would be welcome: maybe change the wizard style to
something like a welcome dashboard or simply (as Jaroslaw suggested) improv=
e
searching ... and hidding the progress of installing =3D> why the users hav=
e
to see all the list of files during the instalation proccess? ;)
Cheers,
Percy
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek <staniek at kde.org> wrote:
> On 9 October 2010 14:58, Elias Aarnio <elias.aarnio at innopark.fi> wrote:
> > 08.10.2010 22:54, Percy Camilo Trive=F1o Aucahuasi kirjoitti:
> >> >I have now installed the latest unstable and 4.2.95 but I cannot see
> >> >Krita included in either of these.
> >>
> >> Is true, currently I didn't find the krita package in the last version
> >> of the installer (in fact there isn't any KOffice's package)
> > Nice to have someone to confirm that I am not totally messed up ;-)
> >
> > I think this is one thing the project should think about. In this case =
I
> > had the CTO of the school IT department of a city of 170 thousand
> > habitants to search for it. He is a Linux native so he also knows his
> > way around.
> >
> > In this case there was two bits of information that IMHO cannot be held
> > as self evident:
> > 1) Krita for historical reasons is a part of KOffice. This might be the
> > reason why Krita cannot be used successfully as a search term in the KD=
E
> > 4 Windows Installer.
>
> Perhaps extending search to 'lookup by application name' could solve the
> issue.
>
> --
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> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek
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> http://koffice.org)
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Hi Elias,<br><br>>>1) Krita for historical reasons is a part of KOffi=
ce. This might be<br>>>the reason why Krita cannot be used successful=
ly as a search<br>>>term in the KDE 4 Windows Installer.<br>>>2=
) The end user does not know which of the KDE packages are<br>
>>stable and which are not. As Andrius wrote that KOffice<br>>>=
packages are not stable so I searched the unstable releases.<br>>>(Bu=
t as Percy now confirmed - this is<br>>>not a good search strategy as=
the wanted package is not there.)<br>
>Perhaps extending search to 'lookup by application name' could =
solve the issue.<br><br>Is true, also I think the main issue here isn't=
the searching of the package name, but the availability of the packgages i=
n self (or, as Gilles Caulier said: the maintenability of huge packages)<br=
>
<br>From my personal point of view: is hard to create *KDE* packages on win=
dows, it should be easy, but even betwen xp, vista and 7 exists some factor=
s that make it dificult (eg. permissions) Emerge is a great tool and aims t=
o achieve <br>
to make more easy the life *for developers*, but I think is time to improve=
the windows user experience too.<br><br>The windows installer paradigm is =
confusing users and even some get scary of using it, however the paradigm i=
n self isn't bad, is just matters of enhance communication of what is a=
viable in each release and what is not. Also, some improvements in the UI w=
ould be welcome: maybe change the wizard style to something like a welcome =
dashboard or simply (as Jaroslaw suggested) improve searching ... and hiddi=
ng the progress of installing =3D> why the users have to see all the lis=
t of files during the instalation proccess? ;)<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Percy<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:staniek at kde.org">staniek at kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-l=
eft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On 9 October 2010 14:58, Elias Aarnio <<a href=3D"mail=
to:elias.aarnio at innopark.fi">elias.aarnio at innopark.fi</a>> wrote:<br>
> 08.10.2010 22:54, Percy Camilo Trive=F1o Aucahuasi kirjoitti:<br>
>> >I have now installed the latest unstable and 4.2.95 but I cann=
ot see<br>
>> >Krita included in either of these.<br>
>><br>
>> Is true, currently I didn't find the krita package in the last=
version<br>
>> of the installer (in fact there isn't any KOffice's packag=
e)<br>
> Nice to have someone to confirm that I am not totally messed up ;-)<br=
>
><br>
> I think this is one thing the project should think about. In this case=
I<br>
> had the CTO of the school IT department of a city of 170 thousand<br>
> habitants to search for it. He is a Linux native so he also knows his<=
br>
> way around.<br>
><br>
> In this case there was two bits of information that IMHO cannot be hel=
d<br>
> as self evident:<br>
> 1) Krita for historical reasons is a part of KOffice. This might be th=
e<br>
> reason why Krita cannot be used successfully as a search term in the K=
DE<br>
> 4 Windows Installer.<br>
<br>
</div>Perhaps extending search to 'lookup by application name' coul=
d solve the issue.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
--<br>
regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek<br>
=A0<a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek</a><br>
=A0Kexi & KOffice (<a href=3D"http://kexi-project.org" target=3D"_blank=
">http://kexi-project.org</a>, <a href=3D"http://identi.ca/kexi" target=3D"=
_blank">http://identi.ca/kexi</a>,<br>
<a href=3D"http://koffice.org" target=3D"_blank">http://koffice.org</a>)<br=
>
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