"Documents" path usability issues.

[James Richard Tyrer]

I would like to think better of you than the conclusion I have logically 
reached regarding this posting to kde-usability-devel.  Since you 
presumptuously dismissed what I said, the correct term is arrogance.

Thomas Zander wrote:
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> On Tuesday 2 August 2005 06:18, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
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>>What this setting actually does (as opposed to what it is misnamed) is
>>that it is the default folder for KDE applications to load or save ALL
>>data files from or to
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> Thats not true; not user visible data files are saved somewhere else.
> Only user documents are saved in the document dir.
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You actually did misunderstand what I meant.  But, if you just want to 
arrogantly dismiss what I said, I suppose that that doesn't make any 
difference.  I am only suggesting that "user documents" be saved in the 
documents folder.  Although I made that clear in my follow up, your only 
reply was:

	Then you are thinking wrong.

That is not only arrogant, it is rude.  What is your point in being 
rude.  I have been told by others by private mail that KDE is run by a 
clique and that new help and contributions are not welcome.  This is 
also how I see it.  If that isn't correct, someone should correct this 
misunderstanding since I am not the only one that sees it this way.
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>>Various specious arguments and useless
>>discussions have occurred [snip]
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> 
> Actually; you bring this issue up every 2 months and everyone just 
> disagrees with you again and again :)

This seems like TEC-WAR: The Exciting Contest - Without Any Rules.  This 
is an American joke so I should explain.  There is actually one rule: 
the outsider is always wrong.

In this case, I was told that my idea needed work and that I didn't have 
patches.  So, I come back "2 months" (or whatever time period it 
actually was) later after working on my idea and making the patches and 
you say that it is what I brought up 2 months ago.  I hope that you see 
the point.  The rules change with the only constant is that I am wrong.

This is the way it is done on Windows and the Mac OS/X.  I suppose that 
they are wrong too!!  I don't advocate that we copy them directly, but 
if most of the consumer desktops in the whole world do it this way, 
perhaps it deserves more than an arrogant dismissal.

You have a retired EE/CS professional that is willing to work for free 
and start at the bottom doing the little jobs that the main developers 
don't seem to want to do because they are not fun. :-)  If the KDE 
project doesn't want that, it is their loss.  But, it is not productive 
to say that KDE wants help and then have an attitude that indicates that 
help isn't really wanted.

I do ask to be treated like an engineer.  A little respect for the fact 
that I started programing when you had to punch holes in those cards 
would be appreciated, but I don't require that.  The engineering method 
was developed over many years, perhaps people in OSS could learn 
something from it.  The relevant thing is that engineers discuss things, 
actually we argue about things.  We get vehement about it, but we do not 
resort to personal insults and rudeness like the KDE developers do. 
Perhaps they simply don't know how to argue without taking it personal 
and, therefore, getting personal.

I thought that the KDE project was a collaborative effort, but that 
isn't what I see.  Collaboration means that many people make 
contributions to individual projects.  This does not seem to happen.

People have been very rude to me and I have returned the favor.  I am 
willing to apologize for this if I will be treated fairly in the future.

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JRT