Kubuntu Testing and KDE

[Harald Sitter]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Myriam Schweingruber <myriam at kde.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Harald Sitter <apachelogger at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Myriam Schweingruber <myriam at kde.org> wrote:
>>> Ciao Luigi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Luigi Toscano
>>> <luigi.toscano at tiscali.it> wrote:
>>>> Valorie Zimmerman ha scritto:
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> We in Kubuntu are trying to organize our QA efforts, to make them
>>>>> easier for testers to use, and make the results useful for the
>>>>> developers. Of course most QA for us happens in KDE itself. We've
>>>>> asked Sayak to think about creating a webapp that we could use to host
>>>>> our stuff. We'd love to see KDE chime in, and make this webapp useful
>>>>> to all of us.
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> why not reuse a real test case management system like TestLink?
>>>> http://testlink.org/
>>>>
>>>> It is used by OpenOffice.org: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Testlink
>>>> I took a brief look at it some time ago and it seems quite complete, even if
>>>> it could be complex for newcomers; on the other side it is a good choice for
>>>> the long term.
>>>
>>> Sounds like a very good idea, and it is not overly complex, as the
>>> tester doesn't have to configure much, and with clear instructions on
>>> how to use it this shouldn't be a problem. Since it is Free Software,
>>> it can also be adapted to our needs.
>>>
>>> So yes, why not go for TesLlink and eventually adapt it to our needs?
>>> Would probably spare some work, and we don't have to reinvent the
>>> wheel :)
>>
>> The last time I used TestLink, the administrative (i.e. test case
>> management) side of things was nothing short of complicated madness,
>> that was quite a while ago however. Not being simple on the
>> administative reduces the amount of people who are willing to work
>> with it, eventually again decreasing the usefulness (greetings from
>> bugzilla and all the devs who never ever look at it :'<).
>
> Erm, sorry, but the bugzilla argument I simply don't buy, if software
> developers think this is difficult to use, they should maybe start
> working in some corporate environment and get an idea how much worse
> stuff exists out there. While I can imagine that one would like to be
> able to combine bugs with a task driven system, they seem to be
> completely oblivious of the amount of administration such a system
> generates, and there simply is nothing perfect I know of. For me
> bugzilla is quite simple to use, and I am not a developer, so that
> argument is just crap, sorry to be so blunt.
>
> When we were starting to talk about moving to git there were a lot of
> voices expressing concerns about how complex it would be and I heard
> from KDE core developers that they would never change, they were too
> old for that, etc. With such an attitude we will never get a testing
> system that will be used by anyone!
>
> People, just get real: there is no perfect testing system, and writing
> one by a single person is totally unrealistic. I had a quick look at
> TestLink today and it doesn't look as nearly as complicated as JIRA
> (which has be repeatedly mentioned as being better than Bugzilla, I
> still fail to see how we would ever get a single bug report from a
> user in there...) would to a newcomer. Every time we try something new
> there are voices against it, we want to make things better, and
> TestLink is a start, let's try this and see if we can improve it
> before reinventing the wheel

Sure, just wanted to note my experience with it.

HS