[telepathy] [Bug 325433] Status: sorting and submenus

[Fuchs]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325433

--- Comment #3 from Fuchs <develop at fuchsnet.ch> ---
(In reply to comment #2)

Hi :-) 

> The logic behind "busy" & "hidden" being more online is that "hidden" is
> exactly the same as "available" except for the few people which you have in
> your invisible list, those see you as offline. 

It is the other way around, isn't it? Because in general if you set yourself to
invisible I think that other people can't see you as online aside from the ones
that you allow to. At least this is how I know it from all other protocols /
clients. http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0126.html seems to see it this way, ICQ
certainly is this way, Skype as well. Is it really inverted here? If not: the
exception would be users seeing you despite being invisible, so the ordering
should imo be based on the general rule, not the exception. 

> "Busy" means you are
> (probably) still sitting at your computer doing something and just being
> busy, while "away" means you are away from your computer.

Here the thing that is important is: from what point of view am I looking at
this. Is it my point of view, or is it the point of view of the other people
who have me in their contact list? And in my opinion always the other persons
point of view should be considered, because I do know whether I am online,
away, busy, eating a sandwich etc.  So setting a status is not something I do
for me, but for others. 
Now how do I appear to others?  Away (or extended away) means (especially given
that most clients, including kde telepathy, have a setting to set auto-away
after n minutes of inactivity) that I wasn't active at the computer. I might be
watching a movie, read something or actually be away from the keyboard.
However, other people are free to send me a message. Maybe it will "wake me
up", or I just reply as soon as I am back. 
Now busy/do not disturb/etc. is something else. As the icon also in most
clients signalizes (red, stop, no) I do not want to be contacted. It doesn't
matter whether I am currently sitting in front of my keyboard or I am skiing in
the mountains: I don't want others to send me messages, or at least not want
them to expect that I will reply in time. So from the point of view of people
who do have me in their contact list, I am "more away" than I would be when set
to away. 

> We discussed it quite a while iirc and imho should keep it the way it is now.
> 
> Btw. what's the logic behind your proposal?

The above, which does not seem to be my logic/opinion only, but a rather common
one. I went through a couple of clients (for some I only had screenshots
available, so I might be wrong), including Kopete, Psi, Skype, Pidgin, Empathy
...  and they all had it this way. And from an usability point of view:  if
everybody else is doing something a given way, then you should not change it
unless you have really really good arguments to. 

Kind regards, 

Christian

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