Is there any change the rpm's found at; http://sunrpms.maraudingpirates.org/software/sparc/5.9/RPMS/ could be turned into pkg's i don't fancy having rpm on my box, even when i was using linux i refused to touch it. I would like to try out KDE3.1, see how much better it is over 3.0.1 and for that matter i'd like to see what improvement the OpenGL has on the 3dExpert-Lite. Matt