KDE network and dialog issues

[Orville Bennett]

On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:12 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote:

> El Divendres, 23 de Març de 2007, Orville Bennett escribió:
>> On Mar 22, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote:
>>> http://kde.aliax.net/kde_issues/network
>>
>> "And why doesn’t appear KWalletManager asking me to introduce the
>> password???"
>> It does. On the correct desktop. If it appeared on all desktops then
>> you'd get all the people going up in arms about "confusing dialogs"
>> which appear out of nowhere, certainly leading to "another big
>> usability issue".
>
> No, I don't agree with you at all. The default KDE settings in any  
> distro
> include usually 4 virtual desktops, so if the users starts session  
> and must
> guestt in which virtual desktop is Kwallet asking for the password  
> then this
> is annoying.
Well it's not really a matter of whether you agree or not is it? It's  
a matter of what is the correct behavior :-)
Having dialogs show up with no context whatsoever is a bad idea.  
Which brings us to your next comment.
>
> Instead of an uncomfortable popup dialog in an unknown desktop  
> there could
> appear a ball in the systray (from kwallet icon) asking for the  
> password, or
> something like that. But something appearing in all the desktops  
> (not a
> windowin fact, but a ball dialog).
Which is a good idea :-)
So the actual password prompt still shows up only on the desktop  
which it is relevant but the user gets notified of its presence.  
Somehow.  Perhaps not a ball. Passive popups FTW?

>
>
>> "KDE should be improved in making easier the dynamic network
>> connections and the communication between applications (Kmail
>> shouldn’t try to download mail if there is not network active). Maybe
>> Solid could help here."
>> Excerpted from solid.kde.org (you know, the site you linked):
>> "We're now facing the wireless revolution...Computing lost its last
>> limitation to a fully dynamic environment, and users must be able to
>> make use of it.
>> So, we created the Solid API in order to allow KDE applications to
>> reach this new dynamic environment...Solid will be tested again and
>> again, to ensure the most bug safe behavior, because network and
>> portable devices are things the user specially wants to just work."
>
> Ok, but I don't know exactly how Solid will work and just wanted to  
> tell my
> experience issues in now the last KDE version. I'll be really happy  
> is my
> issues are already fixed in the KDE4 design, but they are not in KDE3.
But now you do know. So what are you going to do to get involved?  
http://solid.kde.org/cms/1074
I hear "Dropping a note to the development email list would be a  
great way to show your support and appreciation."

Actually I think I'll sign up and see how true that is.
>
>
>> "The warning dialogs should be improved too (Kmail shouldn’t show 6
>> warning dialogs, one for each account, if there is not network)."
>> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103927
>
> But this is not just a Kmail problem, this kind of issue appears in  
> many ways.
> I suppose the solution is Solid and the apps asking it if there is  
> network or
> not.
>
>
>
>> P.S. Please do a little more research before launching a blog spam
>> bitchathon.
>
> Do you really thing I was doing blog spamming? It's the only way I  
> can report
> an experience, ideas or mockups with images and description. Or  
> should I
> attach each image to the list??? please, don't accuse me of spamming.
No it's not the only way. You could make a bug report and refer to  
it. If you found that your report already existed you could add  
comments to the report. Maybe even weigh in on a discussion taking  
place. Vote for the bug to give some indication of interests to the  
"powers that be".
If you're actually forced to report the problems through official  
channels weird things might happen. Like say one of the new  
contributors here could go to the bug report linked in your mail,  
read the history, have some idea on how to address a problem and do it.
Unlikely? Sure. But far more likely to result in something positive  
than say... here's my website with things I don't like.

>
>
> Regards.
>
>
> -- 
> Iñaki Baz Castillo
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It is impossible to make anything foolproof because us fools are so  
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