Hello (matt)
Martin Ponce
mjp_ttc at yahoo.com
Fri May 19 21:53:02 CEST 2006
Good morning/ evening /nigth ( or whatever )
WELLCOME MATT.
But before anything, please keep in mind that KDE (inclusive OpenSource ) is
like a good book : A really THICK book, whith THIN pages and VERY TINY letters.
You will need to be patient.
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> 1. Hello (matt)
> 2. Re: Hello (Aaron J. Seigo)
> 3. Re: Hello (matt)
> 4. Re: Hello (Aaron J. Seigo)
> 5. Re: Hello (matt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:01:57 -0700
> From: matt <matt at cfxnetworks.com>
> Subject: Hello
> To: kde-quality at kde.org
> Message-ID: <200605181701.58374.matt at cfxnetworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good day/evening--
>
> My name is Matt, and I am, in short, very interested in the KDE project. I
> have been using KDE for about a year now (religiously), and I feel that it
> has become the best (no doubt the largest) open source software development
> project in history. However, there are many areas in which it lacks, and I
> want to change all that.
>
> KDE takes an interesting approach to the "desktop environment," where it is
> an "all-encompassing" roof under which many applications using the same
> libraries create a full-featured desktop suite. This approach has not been
> taken by any other desktop environment (even Gnome), where there is a simple
> set of libraries and applications just "latch on" to what is available. This
> method makes all applications have a similar look and feel, making it easy
> for a new user to use a new program.
>
> The Linux operating system is so much more than a kernel; it is a set of
> software applications that make you productive. KDE seems to provide many of
> them, but there are many that are lacking, especially in the
> more "artsy/creative side" of computing (for instance, video editing,
> illustrating, audio editing, et cetera [everything a Mac is used for]). I
> want to improve KDE to make it the most full-featured "desktop environment"
> one could ask for, with all software components readily available.
>
> However, no one can deny that Linux in general is an operating system with a
> learning curve. Many things in Linux, especially the hardware aspect, is very
>
> confusing for any new user, and without proper instruction, will leave "Aunt
> Tillie" in the dust. Moreover, installing and finding software can be a
> challenge, especially if your distribution does not have a very effective
> packaging system. I want KDE, as the GUI for all users, to provide a bridge
> for these users to communicate with their computer in a very efficient
> manner. My philosophy is that a computer is a tool for accomplishing a task,
> and the difficulty of using this tool should be as transparent as possible.
>
> Therefore, I think while KDE has made some significant strides in usability,
> there are many more tasks to be completed. I could give you a thousand and
> one things that could be improved in KDE, from new applications to small
> adjustments.
>
> However, I am not all talk and no walk: I want to invest a massive amount of
> time and effort into making the next version of KDE--KDE 4--the most
> revolutionary desktop environment in history. I envision KDE 4 as having a
> full set of near-perfect (as all open source projects are never perfect;
> there is always room for improvement) applications combined with one of the
> most easy-to-use interfaces--both functional and elegant. All users should
> have choice in what software they use, but shouldn't the KDE project's goal
> be making the most feature-full and versatile piece of software out there
> that everyone chooses KDE? The more support a piece of software has, the more
>
> it improves.
>
> I will admit I am not the strongest in C++, but the next coming months I am
> going to undergo some intense coding hell to strengthen my C++ and Qt/KDE
> knowledge so hopefully I can contribute in the coding aspect. I also would
> love to contribute to the design and functionality of certain applications,
> and trying to improve KDE's overall usability. I also have no problem writing
>
> documentation, because while if a user ever has to hit "F1" the application
> has failed (at least for simple applications; more complex ones I
> understand), every application should have adequate documentation.
>
> I look forward to working with hundreds of people to make KDE "konquer" the
> world, and I would love to discuss more on the ideas I have, and seeing what
> the rest of you feel would make KDE the best desktop suite ever.
>
> Hasta luego.
> --
> Val?,
> Matt
> matt at cfxnetworks.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:43:21 -0600
> From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> To: "Contributors support and coordination, \ to make KDE rock!"
> <kde-quality at kde.org>
> Message-ID: <200605181843.21427.aseigo at kde.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Thursday 18 May 2006 18:01, matt wrote:
> > I look forward to working with hundreds of people to make KDE "konquer" the
> > world, and I would love to discuss more on the ideas I have, and seeing
> > what the rest of you feel would make KDE the best desktop suite ever.
>
> i have little to say in response except: "hi and welcome to kde!" i look
> forward to collaborating / working with you in the months/years to come =)
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
> GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43
>
> Full time KDE developer sponsored by Trolltech (http://www.trolltech.com)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:52:05 -0700
> From: matt <matt at cfxnetworks.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> To: "Contributors support and coordination, \ to make KDE rock!"
> <kde-quality at kde.org>
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> Awesome. Well as far as I've seen on the status of KDE 4, you/they are in the
>
> porting over process, no? Is there still design/planning development
> happening, because that would be something I would love to contribute to
> until I begin coding (I'd like to work on the Kaffeine project to give KDE 4
> a decent video player).
>
> On Thursday 18 May 2006 17:43, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > On Thursday 18 May 2006 18:01, matt wrote:
> > > I look forward to working with hundreds of people to make KDE "konquer"
> > > the world, and I would love to discuss more on the ideas I have, and
> > > seeing what the rest of you feel would make KDE the best desktop suite
> > > ever.
> >
> > i have little to say in response except: "hi and welcome to kde!" i look
> > forward to collaborating / working with you in the months/years to come =)
>
> --
> Val?,
> Matt
> matt at cfxnetworks.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:10:25 -0600
> From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> To: "Contributors support and coordination, \ to make KDE rock!"
> <kde-quality at kde.org>
> Message-ID: <200605182210.28553.aseigo at kde.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Thursday 18 May 2006 18:52, matt wrote:
> > Awesome. Well as far as I've seen on the status of KDE 4, you/they are in
> > the porting over process, no? Is there still design/planning development
> > happening, because that would be something I would love to contribute to
> > until I begin coding
>
> there is always some degree of planning going on. i will caution that it is
> pretty rare (though i have seen it happen) that someone who is brand new to
> the development side of the project is able to offer design considerations
> that are compatible with how things Work(tm) or that haven't already been
> suggested (working from a common starting point: the current code base and
> the state of the art of the desktop in general) it's common to arrive at
> similar ends.
>
> that and due to the meritocratic way the project self-coordinates, it's often
>
> less than effective to attempt to influence through "design" without also
> attempting to work on the codebase, artwork, documentation, etc... it's with
> contribution that one also finds the ability to influence the project
> design-wise. there have been exceptions, but i also don't want you to start
> with expectations that lead to you being frustrated =)
>
> the best thing that someone new to the project can do is to gain a
> familiarity
> with the code and the design. and the best way to do that is to start
> contributing in some small, even trivial, way. that is, in fact, exactly how
> i started: with a single patch to the run dialog that fixed a rather trivial
> thing. it was by doing this that i gained an overview of how things work; and
>
> to be honest: i'm still learning =) that's probably in part what keeps me
> interested in this meta-project we call KDE ... well, that and the awesome
> people and community around it, of course.
>
> however you do decide to get involved is obviously up to you, but simply get
> involved. dive in, enjoy the water, it's warm. =)
>
> > (I'd like to work on the Kaffeine project to give KDE
> > 4 a decent video player).
>
> they have a devel mailing list where you could start doing so ...
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
> GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43
>
> Full time KDE developer sponsored by Trolltech (http://www.trolltech.com)
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:48:11 -0700
> From: "matt" <matt at cfxnetworks.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> To: "Contributors support and coordination,\ to make KDE rock!"
> <kde-quality at kde.org>
> Message-ID: <web-890083 at cfxnetworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 22:10:25 -0600
> "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo at kde.org> wrote:
> > there is always some degree of planning going on. i will
> >caution that it is
> > pretty rare (though i have seen it happen) that someone
> >who is brand new to
> > the development side of the project is able to offer
> >design considerations
> > that are compatible with how things Work(tm) or that
> >haven't already been
> > suggested (working from a common starting point: the
> >current code base and
> > the state of the art of the desktop in general) it's
> >common to arrive at
> > similar ends.
> >
> > that and due to the meritocratic way the project
> >self-coordinates, it's often
> > less than effective to attempt to influence through
> >"design" without also
> > attempting to work on the codebase, artwork,
> >documentation, etc... it's with
> > contribution that one also finds the ability to
> >influence the project
> > design-wise. there have been exceptions, but i also
> >don't want you to start
> > with expectations that lead to you being frustrated =)
>
> Oh, I completely understand. It's not like I'm going to
> come in and throw comments on a project that I know I
> really don't understand. I've got a lot of work to do as
> far as discovering how KDE really functions, and until
> then, I wouldn't feel right telling true KDE developers
> "how it should be" whom actually know what they're doing.
>
> > the best thing that someone new to the project can do is
> >to gain a familiarity
> > with the code and the design. and the best way to do
> >that is to start
> > contributing in some small, even trivial, way. that is,
> >in fact, exactly how
> > i started: with a single patch to the run dialog that
> >fixed a rather trivial
> > thing. it was by doing this that i gained an overview of
> >how things work; and
> > to be honest: i'm still learning =) that's probably in
> >part what keeps me
> > interested in this meta-project we call KDE ... well,
> >that and the awesome
> > people and community around it, of course.
>
> Definitely. I will definitely take it upon myself to start
> tinkering with what is already present in the KDE
> codebase, and hopefully I can submit some useful patches.
>
> > however you do decide to get involved is obviously up to
> >you, but simply get
> > involved. dive in, enjoy the water, it's warm. =)
> >
> >> (I'd like to work on the Kaffeine project to give KDE
> >> 4 a decent video player).
> >
> > they have a devel mailing list where you could start
> >doing so ...
>
> Will do. Thanks for your help, Aaron, and I'm glad to hear
> that the KDE project is always open for new suggestions.
>
>
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