Has The performance been forgotten?
Alexander Neundorf
neundorf at kde.org
Fri Oct 8 18:41:01 CEST 2004
Hi Bahram,
I'm not sure it is really a good idea to cross post this to 10 different
mailing lists.
So...
On Friday 08 October 2004 16:40, Bahram Alinezhad wrote:
> It looks that more people are admitting the
> performance lack...
what do you want to say with this email ? Of course KDE people are concerned
about performance, no news there.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> "alberto-g" (alberto-g at inventati.org)
> wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
...
> KDE: 600 times slower in bzip2!
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> | | | | | | |
> | TIMES TO | | | | | |
> | EXTRACT | Konsole | file- | Konqueror | WinRAR | |
> | IN | | roller | | | |
> | SECONDS | | | | | |
> |_______________|___________|___________|___________|__________|___________|
> ___________________________________________________________________________
>| | | | | | |
>| Mozilla | | | | | |
>| 1.7.3 | | | | | |
>| .tar.gz | 2 | 5 | 11 | 3 | |
>|_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________|
>| | | | | | |
>| GTK+ | | | | | |
>| 2.4.3 | | | | | |
>| .tar.bz2 | 35 | 143 | 21333 | 44 | |
>|_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________|
>
> Also note:
> - I didn't wait for 21333 seconds! %9 of the extraction took 32 minutes and
> I estimated the total time.
> - All observations have been made in SuSE 9.1, except the WinRAR that done
> in Win98-SE.
Ok, some comments: you didn't measure the 21000 seconds as you state yourself,
the reason is understandable. Still that's why the number isn't reliable.
I just tried to open qt-embedded-preview-4.0.0-tp2.tar.bz2 (14 MB) with konqy
from KDE 3.2 on my Athlon XP 2000+, it took 13 seconds. I know this box is
much faster than yours, but not 1600 times faster.
I know there have been major perormance problems with the tar ioslave (as used
in konqy), but I can remember somebody posted a patch and I thought it was
applied. But I'm not sure when this was and whether it was actually applied
and whether the KDE version shipped with Suse comes with this patch.
>- Count the KDE boot time after that it is ready to
> run Konqueror (e.g. when all system tray icons
> appeared in SuSE 9.1); before it, the desktop is not
> usable yet.
The tips on Lubos' page are good. You can also have a look at the kde/share/
Autostart/ directory and move things you don't need out.
You could also disable session restoring if you want to.
Is DMA and 32bit access for your harddisk enabled ? Check using hdparm /dev/
hda.
> I regret I'm not a programmer and cannot participate
> in development, and sometimes cannot understand how
> much difficult can be offering a fast, beautiful, and
> bug-free software.
You can help: http://quality.kde.org/ :-)
> KDE lead to other projects like QT; Similarly, many
> projects may be known responsible for a certain issue,
> but all in uncertainty, and all may deny! If such a
Well, as you put in your other email, at least we didn't deny.
> The performance issue here is not around %2 or %10: We
> have a great unreal slowness that requires severe
> notice; When your N hours spent on it saves N*10000
> hours of user's times, isn't it worth doing a tedious
> work?
This isn't a realistic calculation.
IMO it's the application startup which is slow in KDE. Once you got the app
running I don't notice obvious performance problems (PIII/450 MHz, 128 MB,
KDE 3.1).
I log in once a day, start konqy with several tabs, start konsole with several
tabs, and these both live for a long time and I don't have to start them very
often every day. So, faster app startup would save me approx. maybe 1 minute
per day. This gets lost in the noise (of time consumption).
(and just a note: OOo and Eclipse are even slower than KDE)
> Isn't it a good impression to say that "THE FASTEST
> LINUX" when introducing a new version or distribution?
Yes, of course.
Some nitpicking: KDE can't do much for the fastest "linux", it can do
something for a faster KDE.
And maybe try another distro...
Bye
Alex
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