Future of KNM/PNM with NM 0.9

Sat Apr 30 10:59:46 CEST 2011

Em Saturday 30 April 2011, Raymond Wooninck escreveu:
> Hi Lamarque,

	Hi,
 
> I understand your position and the email was not only directed to you.
> Fedora (Dan Williams) did two things in order to keep PNM working with NM
> 0.9. The first thing is that he created a compatibility layer (the so
> called f15-patch) to keep changes minimal.
> 
> Furthermore he created two patches for KDE. One is for kde-workspace and
> the other one is for PNM. Both of them are in the f15 branch of NM. With
> these two patches PNM is working. I have to admit it is far from ideal,
> but at least things seems to work. Network Connections are reported,
> Existing user connections can be used, etc.

	What is the URL of the f15 branch?
 
> As that openSUSE:Factory is moving to NM 0.9 I applied these two patches
> against my own build of kdebase-workspace and PNM with the above mentioned
> result.
> 
> I have now created a patch for kdebase-workspace that reverts your patch to
> the disable the build of the NetworkManager backend, which I guess I will
> use for the KDE:Unstable:SC repo.
> 
> I just wanted to raise the attention to this point as that it seems a lot
> of new stuff is being build for a NetworkManager version that will be soon
> out of support and it looks like that KDE 4.7 has to be able to work with
> NM 0.9

	I can try working on it but the task is too big for me alone to do and as 
I said I am going to have less free time in the next months. Somebody should 
really step up to help or it will not be ready by SC 4.7 release date. I still 
have two fixes to push to Plasma NM before I can start working on nm09 branch.

	All the stuff I am commiting are also valid for the nm09 branch. Some of 
them, not even counting the crash fixes, are very important for the NM-0.9 
support such as the system connection patch and KAuth (Policy Kit) support, 
without this last one only root is able to edit system connections, which as 
you know is the only connection type in NM-0.9.
 
> Regards
> 
> Raymond
> 
> On Friday 29 April 2011 19:40:25 Lamarque Vieira Souza wrote:
> > Em Friday 29 April 2011, Raymond Wooninck escreveu:
> > > Will, Sebas, Lamarque,
> > 	
> > 	Hi,
> > 	
> > > I indicated yesterday to Vincent Untz that he could push NM 0.9 into
> > > Factory and that we would apply the patches from Dan Williams.
> > > 
> > > It seems however that a different direction has been chosen for the
> > > current KDE trunk (KDE:Unstable:SC). As soon as I update this repo to
> > > the current version, then kdebase-workspace will no longer build the
> > > Solid support for Network Management. This literally means that the
> > > plasmoid-networkmanagement no longer will show any network devices.
> > 	
> > 	The current Solid::Control::Network* classes from kde-workspace does not
> > 
> > compile against NM-0.9, so I changed the cmake config file to do not try
> > to compile against NM-0.9. You can compile them against NM-0.8 and use
> > it with NM-0.9, but several things are not going to work and I have
> > heard that users keep getting bogus notifications from
> > Solid::Control::NetworkManager::notifier() when you do that.
> > 
> > > In practice this would mean that users are forced to start using the
> > > NM-applet if they want to run KDE:Unstable:SC together with Factory.
> > > 
> > > As that  there is absolutely no indication yet when KNM/PNM will
> > > support NM 0.9, I wonder if it wouldn't have been better to create the
> > > option that if kdebase-workspace detects NM0.9 to activate the patch
> > > from Dan Williams to have at least some support. I know that it wasn't
> > > optimal, but it was definitely way better than nothing.
> > 	
> > 	Which patch is that? Is it a patch against NM or KDE's Solid?
> > 	
> > > I would like to know which way we are really going as that I have to
> > > prepare KDE:Unstable:SC also for NM0.9 and it would be very funny to
> > > start putting in dependencies to de-install PNM and install
> > > NetworkManager-gnome. However at the moment, this seems to be the
> > > direction we are going.
> > 	
> > 	I, for one, am not working on NM-0.9 support for now. I created a new
> > 
> > branch for networkmanagement (Plasma NM) in
> > git://anongit.kde.org/networkmanagement/nm09 for anyone wanting to work
> > on NM-0.9 support. I usually just cherry-pick commits from master branch
> > and fix the conflicts that arises to keep the code compiling. I have
> > never added NM-0.9 specific features nor have ever tested the code. The
> > code in there works only with NM-0.9 and when compiled against the
> > NM-0.8 Solid's backend, weird, I know.
> > 
> > 	I have a lot of other things to work on NM-0.8 support and I am starting
> > 
> > a 3-months paid job next week so I am going to spend little time with KDE
> > during that period. I really like to work on KDE and Plasma NM in
> > special, but I am unemployed since last year so I need that job.
> > 
> > 	The current situation is like this: someone must create a new backend
> > 
> > directory git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace/solid/networkmanager-0.9
> > and update it to work with NM-0.9. One big problem is that the interface
> > classes in git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace/libs/solid/control/*/*
> > does not
> > 
> > completely fit with the new NM-0.9 specification. So we could:
> > 	1. Create the NM-0.9 backend in networkmanagement (Plasma NM) repository
> > 
> > instead of kde-workspace. We would have to creat a new namespace
> > different from Solid::Control to do not clash with the old backends for
> > NetworkManager and ModemManager.
> > 
> > 	2. Create the NM-0.9 backend in kde-workspace repository and just drop
> > 
> > support for what do not fit. I guess that would keep the NM-0.9 backend
> > on par with the NM-0.8 backend in reggarding NM-0.9 support. This would
> > means we would have to add changes to the backend during KDE's feature
> > freeze and maybe during KDE SC 4.7.x life cycle. KDE rarely do that.
> > 
> > 	I prefer option #1. Anyway, that is a big task and I really do not have
> > 
> > time for it now and I am going to have even less free time in the next
> > months. I really need help, a lot of help.
> 
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