[KDE/Mac] "mac" style and wrong layout under Qt5/KF5?

Ian Wadham iandw.au at gmail.com
Tue Jan 20 04:02:55 UTC 2015

Hi Marko,

On 20/01/2015, at 10:08 AM, Marko Käning wrote:
>> Now that we are finding the same or similar bugs in KF5/Qt5 as
>> we did in KDE 4, it is time to go in through the FRONT door, i.e.
>> post a bug report, with screenshots, on Bugzilla.
> yes, I guess that’s right! :-)
>> Maybe Mario can tell us what "product" to post it against, where
>> it will be seen by Frameworks or KF5 maintainers…  Reporting
>> against KCalc might not work, because there might be no
>> current maintainer… and even if there is, he/she would have
>> to reassign the report up the line anyway…
> Well, I ages ago I had already posted a b.k.o. issue back then [1] which is
> related to the whole styles issue and all I need is it to update it now.
> Other ones would be e.g. [2-5].
>> There can be no more excuses about people being far too busy
>> on Frameworks, not having access to an Apple Mac for testing or
>> KDE 4 being no longer released…  This is the moment when the
>> Apple OS X platform starts to be properly supported by the KDE
>> Community and the software it produces.
> Yep. :-D
> We only need more testers on MacPorts/KF5 now...
> And for that to make it work seamless, we’d need KF5 ports on MacPorts.
> :-/
>> P.S.
>> It would not hurt to let an insider know that the bug report exists… ;-)
> Yes, as you know, we’ve got our own little bug page here [6], well, but it
> might need some updates, perhaps.
> [1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334171
> [2] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296845
> [3] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296810
> [4] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333049
> [5] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258279

Maybe I am being simplistic, but all those reports seem to add up
to one thing --- Apple OS X's native Aqua theme, as used by Qt 4,
is not good with KDE 4.  But any other theme *is* --- QtCurve and
Plastique even.  Do the same bugs recur with KF5/Frameworks?
And are they all fixed by changing to QtCurve or Plastique?

If so, the KDE Community guys will just blame Qt's usage of
Aqua and suggest we report it to Qt.  And if that happens, we
might only get asked to come up with a short C++ program
that demonstrates the problem, as one of the KDE 4 guys said.

Is the KCalc layout bug something radically different to the above
bugs?  I liked it because the screenshots are so dramatic.  Nothing
subtle about that bug… :-)

But if we cannot say with certainty that it is a bug in KF5/Frameworks,
I think we should hold back for now, i.e. don't start a new bug report.

Perhaps we should start a discussion with KF5/Frameworks guys
on whether KF5 should standardise on another style on Apple OS X,
i.e. not Qt's usage of Aqua…  Then if someone says, "We should use
the standard Qt5/Apple stuff on Apple OS X", we can say, "Yes, but who
is going to make it work properly?  Who can help make that happen?".

Cheers, Ian W.

[6] https://trac.macports.org/wiki/KDEProblems/KDETickets

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