[kde-linux] Am I Alone?

[James Richard Tyrer]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 01 October 2009 00:53:09 James Tyrer wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote: <SNIP>
>> 
>>> I've seen no such problem, so I can't comment.
>> Then go to:
>> 
>> http://capitalone.com/
>> 
>> You don't have to try to bank at a site to get the certificate 
>> error.
>> 
>>> It sounds more like a browser issue to me.
>> Yes, a Konqueror issue.
>> 
>>> If indeed you were using konqueror, did you check what happens 
>>> when you use firefox?
>> FireFox make no complaint at this site.
>> 
>> <SNIP>
>> 
>>> I do on-line banking all the time.  I have no problems whatsoever
>>>  with it. Many other people also use it regularly.  How can you 
>>> say that our experience is abnormal?

I note that, as I said elsewhere, more date than just your experience is 
required.  My experience is that Konqueror works most of the time, but 
there are online payment sites (not just banking) where it does not work 
for me.  It is on that basis that I have do disagree with your apparent 
claim that Konqueror works with online payments *all* of the time.

>> I regularly have problems with online banking and bill paying.  The
>>  most common problem is sites that do not work with Konqueror but 
>> do work with FireFox.
>> 
> Then use firefox for banking.  You know well enough the situation 
> with konqueror.
> 
Yes, I do that when Konqueror doesn't work.  The thing is that using 
Firefox doesn't fix the bug and having to do so is an annoyance.

>>> You can quote exactly what has been said over and over again. 
>>> There will be support, in terms of security, for as long as 
>>> necessary. There will not be development.  There simply is not 
>>> the manpower, even if there were the will to do so.
>> Actually, there seems to be enough to close all of the KDE-4 bugs 
>> as "UNMAINTAINED".  Konqueror will no longer work with current Qt-3
>>  and X.org libraries; it is broken -- a dead issue without complete
>>  support.
>> 
>>> It would be more helpful to see less rant and more fact.  What 
>>> exactly did you discover about what was happening on your system?
>>> 
Note that I do agree with that.
>>> 
>> Are you suggesting that users should have to do their own 
>> debugging?
>> 
> I'm suggesting that for their own protection, not to say sanity, they
>  should not go on perpetuating a problem.

The problem is that KDE-4 does not work for them.  The only thing that
will eliminate the problem for them is for the bug to be fixed.

> Either resolve it, or walk away.  Entirely your choice.

Are you saying that people shouldn't discuss bugs on this list?

> My decision is made.  I will not respond more unless I can actually 
> help someone. I have been giving 'works for me' answers

Thank you.

> in the hope that it would prompt people to understand that issues can
>  be local ones.  If they don't want to listen, OK.
> 
I don't think that they don't want to listen.  But telling someone that
it works (for me) is very close to telling them that they are wrong and
does tend to indicate that their input is not wanted.

You should try to realize that because this is a security issue that 
people might not be happy that these bugs do not appear to them to be 
high priority.

>> Note: see the "-- " before the signature, please use this.  Mail 
>> clients interpret this as the end of the message.
>> 
> I do.
> 

Note the space after "--" above my signature.  Perhaps it is being lost
in transit, but I am not receiving the space in your emails so 
Thunderbird does not see an end of message and copies everything after 
your signature when I reply.

-- 
James Tyrer

Linux (mostly) From Scratch