[kde-linux] Another KDE 4.x print problem?

[Dale]

Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 November 2009 12:26:08 Duncan wrote:
>   
>> Esben Mose Hansen posted on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:50:46 +0100 as excerpted:
>>     
>>> For my money, you are looking for something a lot more stable than
>>> Gentoo. I'd suggest running Debian stable, or perhaps Redhats
>>> "enterprise" branch. I think you'd be happier there.
>>>       
>> Ummm... I think not!  I'm on gentoo ~arch (unstable) and testing stuff
>> before it even gets in the main gentoo tree at times for a reason -- I
>> like leading, even bleeding, edge.
>>     
>
> Yet you are emitting a constant stream of complaints about corner cases, which 
> I'd rather expect to break on the edge. Especially on Gentoo, which only do 
> minimal testing that the package versions actually work together. You know, it 
> is not written anywhere that all software can compile with the newest version 
> of gcc, nor will work against the newest version of any of its dependent libs. 
> I seriously think you should move distribution to a more stable one, but if 
> you will not, I suggest you restrict your complaints to reporting and fixing 
> bugs.
>   

It appears you are not to familiar with Gentoo.  Gentoo does a LOT of
testing.  Gentoo also has some of the most knowledgeable users there
is.  If you can run a Gentoo box, you can run about anything.  It
doesn't hold your hand like some others do.  It's Linux from Scratch
with a package manager and basically nothing else. 

>> The biggest problem, therefore, isn't folks like me that are accustomed
>> to working with bleeding edge, but those who want it to "just work",
>> which is what kde has pretty much claimed for kde4, from 4.2.  If people
>> like me are having problems, $DEITY help the folks who just want what
>> they run to work.
>>     
>
> So you claim, but I doubt any normal users would encounter any of the issues 
> you list, except the (distribution bug; version mismatch) about the error 
> message to the hard-to-spell-to Akanoda. Nor has any "normal" users I know had 
> major issues; the by far biggest complaints is the applications-crash-at-
> shutdown-and-prevents-shutdown-to-complete. A "feature" that was present in 
> the 3.5 series, too. Certainly very few normal users would dream of configuring 
> extra multi-key shortcuts for launching stuff.
>   

Then you need to use google.  I get the same error and when I googled
for the error to see if it was me or a common problem, it was a common
problem.  It is also not distro specific. 

>> Even then, the issues with kde4 wouldn't be as big a problem if kde3 was
>> continuing to be properly maintained for both security and with/against
>> newer compilers and system libs.  It does seem the situation isn't as
>>     
>
> Lol. No normal user is compiling source, at least not any user I'd consider 
> normal. You are having problems due to your particular choice of distribution.
>   

I compile from source too.  I'm a Gentoo user and I am normal.  Well,
maybe above average actually.  ;-)

>> drastic as it was initially turning out to be, with kde3 support
>> apparently continuing due to KDAB sponsorship and etc, but apparently
>> it's not at a level the major distributions seem to be comfortable with,
>> as they're starting to drop it.  And the major distributions are exactly
>> the types of places that these "ordinary users" are likely to be getting
>> their kde, so if they're dropping it, from the user perspective, it's
>> disappearing.
>>     
>
> Move to KDE4, and learn to live with the new features and limitation. This is 
> the same as it has always been with software, open source or commercial, and 
> the way it will always be. 
>
>   

Speaking for myself, I'm NOT moving to KDE 4 until it works and does
what I need it to do.  PERIOD.  I plan to switch to KDE 4 but it won't
be shoved down my throat whether I like it or not.  Heck, if I wanted to
be told this, I would just switch to windoze.  At least I know windoze
sucks.  I expect it from M$ but not from KDE or even Linux in general. 

Something for you to read. 
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo

Dale

:-)  :-)