[kde-linux] Another KDE 4.x print problem?
rdalek1967 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 4 22:25:50 UTC 2009
Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 November 2009 12:26:08 Duncan wrote:
>> Esben Mose Hansen posted on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:50:46 +0100 as excerpted:
>>> For my money, you are looking for something a lot more stable than
>>> Gentoo. I'd suggest running Debian stable, or perhaps Redhats
>>> "enterprise" branch. I think you'd be happier there.
>> Ummm... I think not! I'm on gentoo ~arch (unstable) and testing stuff
>> before it even gets in the main gentoo tree at times for a reason -- I
>> like leading, even bleeding, edge.
> Yet you are emitting a constant stream of complaints about corner cases, which
> I'd rather expect to break on the edge. Especially on Gentoo, which only do
> minimal testing that the package versions actually work together. You know, it
> is not written anywhere that all software can compile with the newest version
> of gcc, nor will work against the newest version of any of its dependent libs.
> I seriously think you should move distribution to a more stable one, but if
> you will not, I suggest you restrict your complaints to reporting and fixing
It appears you are not to familiar with Gentoo. Gentoo does a LOT of
testing. Gentoo also has some of the most knowledgeable users there
is. If you can run a Gentoo box, you can run about anything. It
doesn't hold your hand like some others do. It's Linux from Scratch
with a package manager and basically nothing else.
>> The biggest problem, therefore, isn't folks like me that are accustomed
>> to working with bleeding edge, but those who want it to "just work",
>> which is what kde has pretty much claimed for kde4, from 4.2. If people
>> like me are having problems, $DEITY help the folks who just want what
>> they run to work.
> So you claim, but I doubt any normal users would encounter any of the issues
> you list, except the (distribution bug; version mismatch) about the error
> message to the hard-to-spell-to Akanoda. Nor has any "normal" users I know had
> major issues; the by far biggest complaints is the applications-crash-at-
> shutdown-and-prevents-shutdown-to-complete. A "feature" that was present in
> the 3.5 series, too. Certainly very few normal users would dream of configuring
> extra multi-key shortcuts for launching stuff.
Then you need to use google. I get the same error and when I googled
for the error to see if it was me or a common problem, it was a common
problem. It is also not distro specific.
>> Even then, the issues with kde4 wouldn't be as big a problem if kde3 was
>> continuing to be properly maintained for both security and with/against
>> newer compilers and system libs. It does seem the situation isn't as
> Lol. No normal user is compiling source, at least not any user I'd consider
> normal. You are having problems due to your particular choice of distribution.
I compile from source too. I'm a Gentoo user and I am normal. Well,
maybe above average actually. ;-)
>> drastic as it was initially turning out to be, with kde3 support
>> apparently continuing due to KDAB sponsorship and etc, but apparently
>> it's not at a level the major distributions seem to be comfortable with,
>> as they're starting to drop it. And the major distributions are exactly
>> the types of places that these "ordinary users" are likely to be getting
>> their kde, so if they're dropping it, from the user perspective, it's
> Move to KDE4, and learn to live with the new features and limitation. This is
> the same as it has always been with software, open source or commercial, and
> the way it will always be.
Speaking for myself, I'm NOT moving to KDE 4 until it works and does
what I need it to do. PERIOD. I plan to switch to KDE 4 but it won't
be shoved down my throat whether I like it or not. Heck, if I wanted to
be told this, I would just switch to windoze. At least I know windoze
sucks. I expect it from M$ but not from KDE or even Linux in general.
Something for you to read.
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