[kde-linux] kmail and kdewallet

Tue Dec 30 14:30:20 UTC 2008

> From: kevin.krammer at gmx.at
> To: kde-linux at kde.org
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:57:49 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] kmail and kdewallet
> 
> On Monday 29 December 2008, Jethro Tull wrote:
> > Does anyone know where can i get the logs of kwallet?
> > when i load it through a konsole session i don't get any log. kmail doesn't
> > output any relevant info about getting infos from kwallet.
> 
> Probably $HOME/.xsession-errors
> 
yeah, that's it!
...
> > So this problem is quite difficult to backtrace.
> > anyway, it looks quite like a benign problem, i don't understand how
> > developers could build such a bug and not be able to solve. it's been long
> > i first requested for help for this in this mailing list.
> 
> My guess would be that, since it is a bug, it has not been specifically been 
> built, 
good guess; i just didn't find the right combination of words to tell my actual though.
...
...
> I read somewhere that this can be a bit tricky since applications do this 
> synchronously, so the current KWallet maintainer and his GNOME counterpart 
> have started to work on a new authentication storage which should, among 
> other things like unifying authentication access, also address some of the 
> access perculiarities.
> 
good to know
> > it seems that kde has been being written for many years and 
> > developers only add code when new ideas come but never try to get the
> > previous code to be more optimized and robust.
> 
> Actually I think most time is spent on improvement rather than new 
> functionality.
yes that's also what i think, i have already noticed that some things were a bit better every time i have upgraded my system.

When i wrote the above statement i was meaning that they seem to not to care that much about optimisation and stability.
KDE is still considered as a resource consuming environment. things are far not as smooth as in Windows and MAC: windows movements, cycling through open windows... things often appear in aggressive ways. I don't understand why a simple web page with some images cannot still not be scrolled smoothly with konqueror.
note that i'm using the default slackware 12.2 shiped with KDE 3.5.10. my graphics (ATI Radeon Mob. X300) is 2 and 3D accelerated with the radeon open source driver.
My cpu is an Inten Centrino 1.7GHz. I have already benchmarked it many times, it is quite a descent system even now.
What I'm noticing about KDE is something that i have noticed on ALL linux boxes running KDE.
anyway...

> New functionality is obviously more visible, since it usually changes 
> application interfaces (e.g. new menu or toolbar entry), changes workflows, 
> is highlighted in articles and reviews.
> 
> Nicely demonstrated by all the many man-years of work gone into KDE4 libs and 
> infrastructure, the replacing of hacks with clean implementations, 
> reorganisations of code and dependencies, etc. being totally hidden by a 
> couple of visual changes.
> 
oh really? Sounds good! i have to check it. I usually wait some time enough that minor new releases are done when a big new thing comes out.

> > when a bug is declared then 
> > it is not really eradicated but just hidden. as an example take the bug:
> > Bug 109773:
> >
> >        'Get New Wallpaper' ticks wrong item.
> > when this bug was soved a new complain came. it is Bug 126190:
> >
> >        'Get New Wallpapers' blocks while downloading
> >
> > in a few words the initial problem was as following:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Well, the reported bug has been fixed.
huh...? >-|
> Probably not as elegantly as possible, but most likely the only viable way 
> within resource limits.
>
whew... not elegantly at all.

so multiple downloading is out of resource limits?????

> Then there is a new report which is actually a wish item, i.e. the ability for 
> background downloading, probably even multiple downloads.
> 
since UNIX i think all ever developers have concentrated their efforts to make systems able to run any program while some are already running in the background.

> The associated developers might not have time to implement this new 
> functionality or a feature freeze might block adding new features.
background downloads or multiple downloads do not sound to me as a new functionality. I don't understand why if konqueror can download many things at a time, "Get new wallpapers" implementation cannot.

> 
> It sounds like a good idea to do the downloading in the background, but 
> sometimes it is wiser to put some work into maintenance even if some users 
> would rather have their wish item implemented.
> Unfortunately, once such a new features it gets implemented, it will get a lot 
> more attention than any of the work done internally, resulting in other users 
> complaining about new features being added.
I don't see what's so harsh in that feature.

> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin
> 
> -- 
> Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer
> KDE user support, developer mentoring

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