Akademy meeting notes

[Akash Rao]

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On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 02:02, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:

> El diumenge, 20 de setembre de 2020, a les 17:10:29 CEST, Karl Ove
> Hufthammer va escriure:
> > Albert Astals Cid skreiv 13.09.2020 12:26:
> > > * Web translation solution
> > >
> > > Unfortunately none of the strong proponents for it attended the meeting
> > >
> > > - The direct svn/git solution will stay to make sure our current users
> keep happy
> >
> > Does that mean staying with SVN, or is a move to still Git possible?
> >
> > While I think SVN is easier to learn and use than Git, people nowadays
> > are learning Git, not SVN. So I think that in the long run, it will be
> > better to move to Git (with one repository per language).
> >
> > Note that all the complexity (and mental models) needed to really
> > *understand* both SVN and Git can be simplified away for the
> > translators. For example, for SVN, after the initial checkout, you
> > really only need to learn two really simple commands:
> >
> >    svn update
> >    svn commit -m 'Commit message'
> >
> > The thing complicating things for *new* translators, is (besides the
> > lack of a user-friendly ‘Getting started’ tutorial) is that they *don’t*
> > have commit access. So for new translators, the technical translation
> > process is actually much more complicated than for normal translators.
> > They have to prepare patches, send e-mail attachments, etc. With Git, I
> > guess ‘git format-patch’ can be helpful here? (I have never used it.) Or
> > merge requests on invent.kde.org? (They are *in theory* complicated,
> but
> > with a step-by-step tutorial tailored to the translators’ needs, they
> > need not be.)
> >
> >
> > > * l10n.kde.org
> > >
> > > We're hoping to eventually simply kill it. It uses old PHP (the code
> is relatively bad). Replace it with Damned Lies from gnome (which provides
> some other interesting functionality like file assignments)
> >
> > Damned Lies looks like a good replace. But one thing I would miss, is
> > the ‘Compare Translations’ feature at
> > https://l10n.kde.org/dictionary/compare-translations.php. I don’t (need
> > to) use it very often, but when I do, it’s very useful.
>
> We could probably keep that
>
> > > * Use of our infrastucture
> > >
> > > We need to try to make teams use our infrastructure for things as
> mailing lists, team guidelines, etc. Because we are sure our infrastructure
> will be maintained "forever", and sometimes external ones are not so
> stable/maintained
> >
> > I guess that’s OK for larger ‘KDE translation teams’, but for some
> > languages, what’s defining the ‘team’ is not the project (KDE software),
> > but the language. For example, for the two Norwegian languages, we have
> > a mailing list for discussing Norwegian translations, terminology etc.
> > for free software in general, i.e., *across* several translation
> > projects. And most of the members are not (active) translators at all;
> > they’re users – users interested in having a variety of free software in
> > their native language. IMO, this is much more useful than having siloed
> > mailing lists that KDE-specific, GNOME-specific, freedesktop-specific,
> etc.
>
> Yes, there's a balance to strike, but when/if those projects die, we're
> left with nothing, which is not good, and from what i can see looking at
> the links we have in l10n teams site, those projects die much more often
> than KDE.
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
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