"Gardening" old bugreports

[Juraj Oravec]

Hello,

> Exclusions so far:
> - okteta
> - krita
> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
> 
> Thanks again for the feedback!

Can you also add Falkon to the exclusion list?
There are not that many bugs nor people working on it and at the moment 
it is easy to browse the bugs.

Also I do not know if this was discussed, but some info message on the 
bugzilla would be nice, if this project is managed by this BugBot or 
not.

Thank you for the help.

Best regards,
Juraj.





On piatok 27. januára 2023 22:56:09 CET Justin Zobel wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
> 
> Given the distribution of positive vs negative feedback, we plan to
> resume automatic bug triage of old non-wishlist bugs that have not
> been updated in over 2 years. If you would like to opt your product
> out of this initiative because you're able to keep on top of the
> manual bug triage work, please let us know and we'll be happy to
> accommodate you.
> 
> Exclusions so far:
> - okteta
> - krita
> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
> 
> Thanks again for the feedback!
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:10 PM Thomas Baumgart <thb at net-bembel.de> 
wrote:
> > On Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 22:39:45 CET Johannes Zarl-Zierl 
wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2023, 12:26:08 CET schrieb Nicolas 
Fella:
> > > > Am 19.01.23 um 04:04 schrieb Justin:
> > > > > The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are
> > > > > still
> > > > > relevant by involving the users who reported them in
> > > > > determining if
> > > > > they are still valid. This increases community involvement and
> > > > > helps
> > > > > KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the
> > > > > thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in
> > > > > years.
> > > > 
> > > > Anecdotally many people don't like such automated changes being
> > > > done to their bugreports that don't actually engage with the
> > > > content of the report.> > 
> > > Well, anecdotally you will mostly get feedback from people who
> > > don't like it. Unless something is exceptionally great, few
> > > people will take the time to speak out in favor of something that
> > > is already happening.
> > > 
> > > > > The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not
> > > > > had any
> > > > > activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to
> > > > > reinvigorate
> > > > > discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If
> > > > > the user
> > > > > does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug
> > > > > is set to NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug
> > > > > Janitor.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care
> > > > > is not
> > > > > applied.
> > > > 
> > > > Properly "triaging" old reports requires at least some level of
> > > > understanding of the project, codebase etc. I'm afraid there is
> > > > no
> > > > simple solution to that and rule-based approaches aren't good
> > > > enough.
> > > > Even taking things like CONFIRMED status or wishlist priority
> > > > into
> > > > account assumes that these have actually been consistently
> > > > applied.
> > > 
> > > As a maintainer on a small project, I'm quite happy to get an
> > > occasional nudge on old reports. Yes, I do occasionally go over
> > > old reports to see if they are still valid, but having somebody
> > > else doing this methodically makes sure I don't gloss over some
> > > bug that could be closed or fixed.
> > > 
> > > Having this done by someone else without too much internal
> > > knowledge is an absolute plus in my opinion. After all, if you
> > > want to clean up your attic, you try to find a helper who does
> > > not have the same emotional attachment as yourself.
> > > 
> > > > > I will halt it until it is approved by more developers.
> > > > > However if it
> > > > > is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will
> > > > > need to
> > > > > entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > not a priority right now for the majority.
> > > 
> > > Speaking for KPhotoAlbum, I really appreciate the bugzilla
> > > gardening. Thank you for doing it!
> > 
> > I can second that for the KMyMoney project. An occasional poke and
> > the automated cleanup when no response arrives where it is needed
> > helps a lot.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Thomas Baumgart
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > With every day I come closer to the grave and learn something new.
> > It all happens because I have wandered around too much and stumbled
> > into the Linux world - which is a fantastic place to be! (Algis
> > Kabaila †)
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
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