Introduction and Bug of the Month
AnnoyingRains
annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 8 06:27:11 GMT 2022
Draft 2, hopefully quite a bit shorter
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Happy New Year KDE Developers!
To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would like to reintroduce
Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly bug-related KDE programme!
(Although that might be due to a lack of competition…)
This month (January 2023)‘s bug is ID 391905:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate in this
programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important things about
growing an install base in an open source software project like this one,
is proving that we listen to and work for our community.
Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and the last thing a
user wants to see when trying to find a solution to an issue they are
having, is a bug report that has seemingly been ignored by KDE developers
for years on end. This is frustrating as an end user, and causes many to
give up on the project entirely, losing us market share.
If you’re wondering how this programme is different from the 15 minute bugs
programme hosted by Nate Graham:
* bug of the month is one bug per month, where 15 minute bugs may be many
* the bugs may **not** be visible within 15 minutes of hitting the desktop
* bug of the month has an emphasis on long-standing issues.
* both affect a large amount of users
Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again, happy new year!
:)
- Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 at 4:36 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org> wrote:
> I'd say condense it a bit if you can; people are more likely to get to
> the end if it's not so long. :)
>
> Nate
>
>
> On 12/6/22 22:20, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > Great, let’s do that, and relaunch the programme on 1/1/2023 at 12:00 am
> > (ish) UTC.
> >
> > I say UTC as KDE is international, so using the international standard
> > for time makes sense.
> >
> > I have a rough draft of the announcement we could post to the
> > development mailing list below:
> >
> > –––
> >
> > Happy New Year KDE Developers!
> >
> > To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would like to
> > reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly bug-related
> > KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of competition…)
> >
> > For those of you who have been with us for a while, you might remember
> > that the last Bug of the Month was back in February 2016(!), but we are
> > planning to bring this programme back into action by kickstarting it
> > with this bug:
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> >
> > ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate in this
> > programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important things about
> > growing an install base in an open source software project like this
> > one, is proving that we listen and work for our community.
> >
> > Also, fixing old bugs that affect many users, often gains us positive
> > press, like here:
> > https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4> . Note how
> > positive this is, even though the bug was actually a feature request!
> >
> > Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and the last
> > thing a user wants to see when trying to find a workaround for a bug or
> > weird behaviour, is a bug report that has seemingly been ignored by KDE
> > developers for years. This experience is very frustrating as an end
> > user, and causes many to give up on the project entirely, losing us
> > market share.
> >
> > In case you’re wondering how this programme is different from the 15
> > minute bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham, this programme is only one
> > bug per month, where the bugs may not be visible within 15 minutes of
> > hitting the desktop, but still affect a large amount of users, and with
> > an emphasis on long-standing issues.
> >
> > Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again, happy new
> > year! :)
> >
> > - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 2:20 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>> wrote:
> >
> > 1 is clearly better; let's do that. I actually looked into it a few
> > months ago but got demoralized by the complexity of the code, but I'm
> > not really a real engineer. Maybe I'll give it a shot again.
> >
> > Nate
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/6/22 19:38, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > Good points, we could use this (much more minor) bug:
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>> instead. It could
> easily
> > > be fixed in a month, as there are two ways to handle this bug:
> > >
> > > 1: add a trash can icon to the global themes menu (just like how
> > there
> > > is one in the other menus)
> > >
> > > 2: rename the "Get New Global Themes" button to "Install and
> Manage
> > > Global Themes"
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it depends on how we want to conceptualize this. The
> > harder the
> > > bug is, the more time we'll need to budget for it, and the
> > bigger the
> > > risk that it doesn't get done--which is just the status quo,
> > so I guess
> > > not that big of a risk, except for maybe demoralizing people
> > and making
> > > the initiative seem like a failure.
> > >
> > > FWIW I think the bugs for the 15-minute bug initiative
> > > (https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>) are more suitable for
> the
> > > monthly approach, as each of these could definitely get done
> > in less
> > > than a month.
> > >
> > > Perhaps in addition to "bug of the month" we could do another
> > thing for
> > > bigger and harder bugs.
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/5/22 23:28, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > Perhaps we could switch to “bug of the quarter” instead?
> > As most
> > > of the
> > > > bugs that are notable enough to be a serious hassle or
> > annoyance
> > > for a
> > > > large amount of users might not be suitable for one month,
> > as you
> > > > pointed out.
> > > >
> > > > Although I feel that “bug of the quarter” doesn’t sound as
> > > exciting, or
> > > > possibly even motivating enough to get devs on board.
> > Perhaps we
> > > could
> > > > create a section on the (would need to be created) Bug of
> the
> > > Quarter
> > > > wiki page, that lists all contributors who directly
> > contributed
> > > to the
> > > > patch, if there is more than one, of course.
> > > >
> > > > Other than that, perhaps just an email to the KDE dev
> > mailing list
> > > > congratulating them and announcing the next bug? That could
> > > encourage
> > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 4:01 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Kyle,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
> > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>> should also be
> quite a
> > > > challenge! I think for something like this we would
> > need to leave
> > > > plenty
> > > > of time for people technically capable of working on
> it to
> > > show up.
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/4/22 04:40, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > > Me again, we missed December, it would probably
> > have been too
> > > > busy for
> > > > > most devs to work on it anyway, but perhaps we could
> > > relaunch this
> > > > > program on 1/1/2023 as a new year’s thing?
> > > > >
> > > > > - Kye Potter (same person as AnnoyingRains,I’m
> slowly
> > > switching
> > > > all my
> > > > > KDE activities over to my real name)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 at 10:13 am, AnnoyingRains
> > > > <annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>
> > > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello again, just realised my last email only
> > had Nate
> > > in the
> > > > “to”
> > > > > field, hopefully this one works better. Sorry
> > if this
> > > creates a
> > > > > duplicate somewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > Original email:
> > > > >
> > > > > To get the word out, I suggest we continue to
> > announce new
> > > > bugs of
> > > > > the month on the kde-devel mailing list and on
> > Planet
> > > KDE. Other
> > > > > than that, I don't really know of any other
> > communications
> > > > platforms
> > > > > we have with developers.
> > > > > Other than just asking nicely and encouraging
> devs
> > > from different
> > > > > projects to give the bug a shot, I don't think
> > there is
> > > > really much
> > > > > more we can do.
> > > > >
> > > > > For an easier bug to patch, perhaps
> > > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>would work, it's not
> > > > > quite as long standing as the other bug, but
> > still an
> > > annoying
> > > > > usability issue with core functionality.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 3:51 pm, Nate Graham
> > > <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello AnnoyingRains,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for wanting to get involved with the
> > Gardening
> > > > team! It's
> > > > > a small
> > > > > team right now and can rally benefit from
> more
> > > members.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>> Would be quite a
> > > > > challenge.
> > > > > Implementing it properly can only really be
> > done
> > > in the
> > > > Wayland
> > > > > session,
> > > > > and even then, it's quite complicated. Of
> > the people I
> > > > can think
> > > > > of who
> > > > > would be definitely capable of implementing
> the
> > > feature,
> > > > all of
> > > > > them are
> > > > > super busy right now. So I doubt it could
> > get done
> > > in a
> > > > month,
> > > > > to be
> > > > > honest. But... maybe I'm wrong! One of the
> best
> > > ways to
> > > > get things
> > > > > moving is simply to care about them,
> > publicize the
> > > issue, and
> > > > > try to
> > > > > attract developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have ideas for how we can get the
> > word out
> > > here and
> > > > > generate buzz
> > > > > surrounding it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Nate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/23/22 22:18, AnnoyingRains Games
> wrote:
> > > > > > Hello, I am AnnoyingRains, a brand new
> > > contributor to KDE
> > > > > (and also new
> > > > > > to mailing lists).
> > > > > > I have been using KDE software (notably
> > Plasma,
> > > Konsole,
> > > > > Dolphin, KDE
> > > > > > Partition Manager and Kwrite) on my
> > laptop for
> > > over a year
> > > > > now (and
> > > > > > loving it), and I think now is finally
> > time for
> > > me to give
> > > > > back to the
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I found the gardening team on the "Get
> > > Involved" page, and
> > > > > when looking
> > > > > > through the things that the team does, I
> > found
> > > Bug of the
> > > > > Month, a bug
> > > > > > fixing effort that hasn't been in place
> > since 2015.
> > > > > > I suggest we bring this programme back
> > into action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe that a good Bug of the Month
> > is a bug
> > > that
> > > > not only
> > > > > affects a
> > > > > > large amount of people, but one that
> > makes KDE look
> > > > bad, or the
> > > > > > developers look lazy for not fixing it,
> > and I
> > > believe
> > > > we have
> > > > > a good
> > > > > > contender for the first bug of the month
> in
> > > over 6 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bug 15329,
> > > (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>), is a great
> > > > > contender for
> > > > > > this. The bug is over 22 years old, and
> > can cause
> > > > > seemingly-broken
> > > > > > behaviour. If a new user sees this and
> > attempts
> > > to find a
> > > > > solution for
> > > > > > this annoying issue, then they will find
> > this
> > > ancient bug
> > > > > report. People
> > > > > > usually don't react to 22+ year old
> reports
> > > well, so
> > > > this may
> > > > > cause them
> > > > > > to choose to use a competing product
> > instead of
> > > KDEs, and
> > > > > make KDE look bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have no idea how to sign off an email
> to a
> > > mailing
> > > > list, so
> > > > > I'll just
> > > > > > cut it off here.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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